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Bob Greece
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Topic: Turn off your television sets Posted: September 19 2006 at 04:57 |
This is an amazing performance taken from the film Network:
I just wanted to share that with you.
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 05:10 |
wow , what a blabber mouth
yukk
but yet funny
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 07:25 |
very interesting made me feel very glad I no longer watch tv ... Just an hour of law and order if I have the time...
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Bob Greece
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 07:33 |
It looks like that film was made in the seventies. Maybe it's message about TV being the only source of information for people is not so relevant now with the Internet?
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Philéas
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 12:40 |
A good way to save lots of energy is to turn your television off
completely when not using it, instead of leaving it on stand by.
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 23:43 |
Bob Greece wrote:
It looks like that film was made in the seventies. Maybe it's message about TV being the only source of information for people is not so relevant now with the Internet? |
Well, I'd say yes and no, Bob, but mostly no. (I think it's still very relevant -- perhaps now more than then.)
Both TV (& movies) and the Net have enormous, far-reaching potential as educational mediums, but each can be manipulated for propaganda, and with today's technology, the unreal can be made to appear very real. Worse though, I think, is what most people choose to use the Net & TV for: mindless entertainment. For every serious, fruitful discussion here (and I think this forum would actually have a higher than average intelligence level) I bet we have 50 basically pointless posts. Who turns on their computer, or TV, for the news? A small minority.
Stupidity, and mindless hard bodies and silicon breasted bimbos competing for plastic crap is what sells. Explosions. Murders. Car crashes. Torture scenes.
If anything, I think that people (at least in the West) are even more ignorant re their world and its history than when that movie was made.
Yes, the net has tremendous educational/informational potential.
But how many people use it that way, really? Most people seem to want to see pizza delivery guys getting run over. Ha. Ha. Ha.
Bread and circuses. Ignorance is bliss -- for those who prefer us to be ignorant, that is.
TV is the new opiate of the masses. The web seems to be mostly TV part two, with extra porn.
I have certainly seen young people's writing/communication ability decline since computers took over.
They still don't know who Hitler, Stalin, or Napoleon were.
The leader of the most powerful nation in the world believes that men and dinosaurs walked the earth together. We get the leaders we deserve.
Turn off the damned TV -- and the computer. Pick up a book. Travel. Walk in the woods, while they're there. Switch on your brain & THINK!
Good post Bob -- thanks! But notice how unpopular it is, and how few people seem to get the point of the clip, or can be bothered addressing the HUGE issues it raises.
Got any "who's best" or "which band sux" polls? They do very well.
Sorry for writing so much....
LOL cya alot
u r pwnd
ttyl
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 23:53 |
Great performance. Reminded me of Bill Hicks: "Go back to bed, America. Your government has figured out how it all
transpired. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control
again. Here. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back
to bed, America. Here is American Gladiators. Here is 56 channels of
it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their f**king skulls together
and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go,
America! You are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what
we tell you!"
Edited by king of Siam - September 20 2006 at 00:17
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Posted: September 19 2006 at 23:59 |
Peter, I know it may seem to be a poor truth from your perspective, but the way I see it, certain people (perhaps a good majority) not caring about history, politics, news and all of these other aspects of scholarly studies isn't really a very bad thing. My outlook on life is currently "we're here for a short time, so let's make it worth our while." No matter how noble it sounds to try and make the world a better place for the future, I think that the human race ultimately has to be selfish. I think it has a lot to do with individual personality, and probably in no small part to the fact that I'm young, single, and not a parent with any dependants, but I believe people should live how they choose, and if getting washed up in a television program gives them that pleasure, then why the hell not go for it. Reading can and probably will lead to a higher level of intelligence and possibly success, but it will also lead just as much to noncomplacency, scepticism, and cynicism. In the end, will you really be a happier person?
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:13 |
Bob Greece wrote:
It looks like that film was made in the seventies. Maybe it's message about TV being the only source of information for people is not so relevant now with the Internet? |
That's a classic film Bob. Lot's of Oscar nominations. Peter Finch and Faye Dunaway won. That was also one of the first films they showed on network TV unedited (ironic, huh?).
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:16 |
stonebeard wrote:
Peter, I know it may seem to be a poor truth from your perspective, but the way I see it, certain people (perhaps a good majority) not caring about history, politics, news and all of these other aspects of scholarly studies isn't really a very bad thing. My outlook on life is currently "we're here for a short time, so let's make it worth our while." No matter how noble it sounds to try and make the world a better place for the future, I think that the human race ultimately has to be selfish. I think it has a lot to do with individual personality, and probably in no small part to the fact that I'm young, single, and not a parent with any dependants, but I believe people should live how they choose, and if getting washed up in a television program gives them that pleasure, then why the hell not go for it. Reading can and probably will lead to a higher level of intelligence and possibly success, but it will also lead just as much to noncomplacency, scepticism, and cynicism. In the end, will you really be a happier person? |
I was young too, and I understand, but is lots of "happy" (debatable) zoned-out TV/shooter game zombies getting desensitized to violence what planet earth needs, or perhaps what the US army needs?
Anyway, not just books, I also said travel, walk in the woods
and, might I add: talk (about something real -- learn to have opinions)
You do, though.
Happy, stoned, oblivious little non-voting consumers -- not too good for this guy:
"Got ice?"
But good for this guy & his pals in the oil & weapons biz:
"WMD! Ha!"
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:21 |
stonebeard wrote:
Peter, I know it may seem to be a poor truth from your perspective, but the way I see it, certain people (perhaps a good majority) not caring about history, politics, news and all of these other aspects of scholarly studies isn't really a very bad thing. My outlook on life is currently "we're here for a short time, so let's make it worth our while." No matter how noble it sounds to try and make the world a better place for the future, I think that the human race ultimately has to be selfish. I think it has a lot to do with individual personality, and probably in no small part to the fact that I'm young, single, and not a parent with any dependants, but I believe people should live how they choose, and if getting washed up in a television program gives them that pleasure, then why the hell not go for it. Reading can and probably will lead to a higher level of intelligence and possibly success, but it will also lead just as much to noncomplacency, scepticism, and cynicism. In the end, will you really be a happier person? |
You know what happends when people "turn off" their minds don't you?
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:30 |
king of Siam wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Peter, I know it may seem to be a poor truth from your perspective, but the way I see it, certain people (perhaps a good majority) not caring about history, politics, news and all of these other aspects of scholarly studies isn't really a very bad thing. My outlook on life is currently "we're here for a short time, so let's make it worth our while." No matter how noble it sounds to try and make the world a better place for the future, I think that the human race ultimately has to be selfish. I think it has a lot to do with individual personality, and probably in no small part to the fact that I'm young, single, and not a parent with any dependants, but I believe people should live how they choose, and if getting washed up in a television program gives them that pleasure, then why the hell not go for it. Reading can and probably will lead to a higher level of intelligence and possibly success, but it will also lead just as much to noncomplacency, scepticism, and cynicism. In the end, will you really be a happier person? | You know what happends when people "turn off" their minds don't you?
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History repeates itself and it is currently happening again. Lovely secrets prisons in Europe, no? I wonder what's going to happen when we finally go to all-out war with Iran? Of course, I'd never fight in such a war.
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:40 |
"History repeates itself and it is currently happening again."
We let it happen again, because we don't want to change. We could have helped in Darfur but we wre too busy fighting "terrorism" in Iraq. We live cozy complacent lives away from the problems of the world, but if we change that would mean uncertainty and God forbid work. This is exactly what 10,000 days was about.
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:41 |
It's not television that's the problem, it's the makers of the programs that are the problem.
Television is an inocent medium used by the rich to enslave and dumb-down the masses.
so nothing new really, earlier in the last century we had radio that made the same sh*t, and before that we had books that lied to us with the same intend.
and now we have the internet, creating the illusion of controlling what we see and what we hear, but still those things are controlled by the people with the loudest voices and the evilest of thoughts.
Over the years I have become a cynic, for I saw too many lies, and no-one who really cares speak out, because we are all cynics, we just lean back and enjoy the show, for we all get what we deserve and I don't care anymore.
basically the people is dumb and ignoranbt, and the people want to stay that way, for knowing and understanding brings responsibilities with them.
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:45 |
king of Siam wrote:
You know what happends when people "turn off" their minds don't you?
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Hmmm... I wonder how many of those you are targetting with that pic will be aware of its significance, King?
Quite agree, though -- learn from the past, or repeat it over and over.
Speak up (even by voting) or let those with a hidden agenda slime their way into power.
Armageddon-craving Bible-thumpers vote -- young people looking for immediate gratification don't....
V V
Anyway Stoney, despite the above, I actually DO still have love, and laughter and hope: I couldn't carry on as a committed dad and educator, if I didn't.
But I don't choose to put "scales" over my own eyes, either.
Age does have a lot to do with how we look at the world, of course, but still, I knew lots about my world as a teen, & I had concerns for the future, and opinions about issues beyond my immediate circle, too (I also partied a lot, to be sure).
Take care, get that education, and become a thinking, caring man.
Cast an informed vote, next election -- don't let the war-mongering, oil-grabbing rich and their ultra-religious sheep/pawns continue to decide your future (and my kids').
See my sig -- 'tis Bowie, BTW.
Edited by Peter Rideout - September 20 2006 at 00:46
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:49 |
king of Siam wrote:
"History repeates itself and it is currently happening again."
We let it happen again, because we don't want to change. We could have helped in Darfur but we wre too busy fighting "terrorism" in Iraq. We live cozy complacent lives away from the problems of the world, but if we change that would mean uncertainty and God forbid work. This is exactly what 10,000 days was about.
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What would you do? Would you take up arms for a cause that doesn't directly effect you? I'd love it if we were helping out the Africans in Darfur rather than being involved in Iraq, and I'm pissed as hell that we were manipulated into supporting such a war. But not watching TV (trying to bring it back to topic a bit) would not have prevented the war. If the higher ups want a war, then we will have a war. The people in charge are really in charge . We are just pawns in a game of chess (another thing most young people don't have a clue about). I'm trying to limit this as much as possible. This is the same reason why I will never fight in a war unless something motivates me very deeply and personally.
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 00:59 |
stonebeard wrote:
king of Siam wrote:
"History repeates itself and it is currently happening again."
We let it happen again, because we don't want to change. We could have helped in Darfur but we wre too busy fighting "terrorism" in Iraq. We live cozy complacent lives away from the problems of the world, but if we change that would mean uncertainty and God forbid work. This is exactly what 10,000 days was about.
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What would you do? Would you take up arms for a cause that doesn't directly effect you? I'd love it if we were helping out the Africans in Darfur rather than being involved in Iraq, and I'm pissed as hell that we were manipulated into supporting such a war. But not watching TV (trying to bring it back to topic a bit) would not have prevented the war. If the higher ups want a war, then we will have a war. The people in charge are really in charge . We are just pawns in a game of chess (another thing most young people don't have a clue about). I'm trying to limit this as much as possible. This is the same reason why I will never fight in a war unless something motivates me very deeply and personally. |
I agree with you there, Andrew, and I think we are lucky that we don't have to live with the draft in the back of our minds everytime the word war floats around congress and the politicians (unlike our fathers and their grandfathers, who weren't given such benefits). This world truly is fugazi... I hate to reference something like in a place like this, but it is true...
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 01:01 |
stonebeard wrote:
What would you do? Would you take up arms for a cause that doesn't directly effect you? I'd love it if we were helping out the Africans in Darfur rather than being involved in Iraq, and I'm pissed as hell that we were manipulated into supporting such a war. But not watching TV (trying to bring it back to topic a bit) would not have prevented the war. If the higher ups want a war, then we will have a war. The people in charge are really in charge . We are just pawns in a game of chess (another thing most young people don't have a clue about). I'm trying to limit this as much as possible. This is the same reason why I will never fight in a war unless something motivates me very deeply and personally. |
We are all connected on this "spaceship" earth, though it may not seem obvious. And there are always ways to fight for good that don't involve joining an army.
Not one lone person, no -- but millions? Reading newspapers? Info on the net? Going out to vote? Defeating Bush in the first place? A million is composed of ones....
Such as a draft notice, perhaps? Couldn't happen? Guess again!
(Colour-coded commentary for your reading convenience!)
Edited by Peter Rideout - September 20 2006 at 01:01
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 01:39 |
^ Love the color coded comments - would not be a posting from you Peter without it!
Seriously - Yes we are all connected as human beings on this planet and the "power of one" can be significant in defeating terrorism and war. The major obstacle is how do those of us who care get the message to largely silent and complacent human population? The "Fourth Estate" is a powerful institution and is responsible for what we view on TV and how it affects our opinions on international conflict. Perhaps a revolution in the media [unbiased reporting] is what is ultimately needed before we can even begin to think of change towards better for the human race.
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 02:09 |
I sometimes watch the news and I read a newspaper every Sunday(almost
every Sunday) and I have noticed a certain fall in the quality of the
news, the analysis and so on. But I believe television is one of the worst sources of information. Apart from what it reveals at times..like discoveries, frauds, astronomic phenomena etc. It's just a medium yes but it was conceived as a profit maker whereas the internet was conceived as a way to share info(for military purposes at first). And the companies didn't pay close attention to it or the IT industry for a long time. So it is pretty much full of information and ideas. Now choosing to back up a war considering what history has taught us would naturally take a whole lot more than an attack, or some television shows. And there is one thing I just don't understand... You can choose to send troops to the other side of the planet but saving people on the other side of the planet is a different thing????
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