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Sean Trane 
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 Posted: September 13 2006 at 03:49 |
I just let my lawyer Ivàn do the talking! 
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: September 13 2006 at 06:56 |
i think it should be an independant subgenre.
don't ask me why, because I can't really explain.
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Posted: September 13 2006 at 09:09 |
 tuxon wrote:
i think it should be an independant subgenre.
don't ask me why, because I can't really explain. |
I agree with you here. As I said before, our choice is not strictly in contraddiction with Ivàn's opinion. That's because we support a pragmatic solution. He does support a rather rational one.
Independant sub-genre is very useful and essential for any who doesn't know nothing about that country (or area).
That's not mean we should avoid a general (symphonic) list and ranking. Maybe we could make cross-genres and that's could be an acceptable compromissory solution.
Edited by Andrea Cortese - September 13 2006 at 09:10
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Posted: September 13 2006 at 09:21 |
Andrea Cortese wrote:
Two different doctrines and opinions fighting here:
1) the rationalist one: they want to classify each band through the analysis of the kind of music produced.
2) the pragmatic one: they think the main important thing is to find ways to make more accessible investigation of the prog scene for each part of the world. Each part of the world has something special to offer (especially Italia... - sorry for this patriottic interlude...)
Which is the right one?
Ivàn's words cannot be contraddicted. You cannot contradict a rationalist on his own battlefield! That's for true!
My opinion is that's impossible to follow strictly one of the two ways above. I think that this site, according to its own ambitious purposes (the spread of progressive rock all around the globe), should be focused more on no. 2 than no. 1.
The risk of too much rationalism could be an unprolific formalism.
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And you for one should know, Andrea... You're a lawyer too! Why don't you try to give him a run for his money?   BTW, as I said above, I see the merit of both arguments. Ivan is right when he implies that RPI, while a remarkable phenomenon, shouldn't be held superior to similar movements in other, less-known countries, especially outside Europe. However, I think there are reasons behind the popularity of the Italian bands and artists with people who've never even visited Italy - reasons that, in my very humble opinion, should not go unexplored.
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Posted: September 13 2006 at 09:51 |
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'Picking up the pieces ...' - come to an end! There are published many arguments now but what is to do?
Ivan has found the best words for a solution which is the best for me:
Italian Progressive Rock or Italian Symphonic Prog (or other countries) as a seperate subgenre - no!
Offering new/better solutions to search bands by country or school or style make it possible to search for italian prog bands in the same or even in a better way!
To come to a decision it would probably help to open a new poll with other clearly structured choices?
Edited by Uwe Zickel - September 13 2006 at 09:55
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: September 13 2006 at 11:56 |
Very interesting discussion
Nevertheless I noted that:
1) The Progressive had been born to explore new roads, given that the Rock is early Cristalized.
2) In connection to the point 1 is obvious that ever country carried its mentality and its music. It do not believe that the firsts albums of Battiato be a personal sight of the Krautrock, even if very Italian?
3) Today the music expressed pratically all. Is obvious than itself not understand more thing is Progressive and what no.
In definitive every nation it has its Progressive but in every nation it has developed a series of groups that played other sub genre. If we should use a sub genre for every nation shall become mad. Rather it has been not better to indicate besides the sub genre a return to the sub sub genre alone indicated this in the page of the band? (example: Rovescio Della Medaglia/ Italian Symphonic Prog/ Classic Italian Symphonic Prog or Gentle Giant Art Rock/ Baroque Art Rock)
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Andrea Cortese
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Posted: September 13 2006 at 12:54 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
Andrea Cortese wrote:
Two different doctrines and opinions fighting here:
1) the rationalist one: they want to classify each band through the analysis of the kind of music produced.
2) the pragmatic one: they think the main important thing is to find ways to make more accessible investigation of the prog scene for each part of the world. Each part of the world has something special to offer (especially Italia... - sorry for this patriottic interlude...)
Which is the right one?
Ivàn's words cannot be contraddicted. You cannot contradict a rationalist on his own battlefield! That's for true!
My opinion is that's impossible to follow strictly one of the two ways above. I think that this site, according to its own ambitious purposes (the spread of progressive rock all around the globe), should be focused more on no. 2 than no. 1.
The risk of too much rationalism could be an unprolific formalism.
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And you for one should know, Andrea... You're a lawyer too! Why don't you try to give him a run for his money?
BTW, as I said above, I see the merit of both arguments. Ivan is right when he implies that RPI, while a remarkable phenomenon, shouldn't be held superior to similar movements in other, less-known countries, especially outside Europe. However, I think there are reasons behind the popularity of the Italian bands and artists with people who've never even visited Italy - reasons that, in my very humble opinion, should not go unexplored.
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I was somehow disappointed by rationalist philosophers (Leibniz, Spinoza ...  ).
Pragmatists did please me much more (David Hume, above all, and also for his humour...  ).
Immanuel Kant beated both mixing their most peculiar and useful qualities.
Even Hegel, although he came later and was too much a formalist for my personal tastes, with his thesis, anthithesis and synthesis' theory would certainly have something to say about this perennial debate!!
I think he would also suggest us an ancient latin motto: IN MEDIO STAT VIRTUS.
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Posted: September 13 2006 at 13:13 |
Andrea Cortese wrote:
I was somehow disappointed by rationalist philosophers (Leibniz, Spinoza ... ).
Pragmatists did please me much more (David Hume, above all, and also for his humour... ).
Immanuel Kant beated both mixing their most peculiar and useful qualities.
Even Hegel, although he came later and was too much a formalist for my personal tastes, with his thesis, anthithesis and synthesis' theory would certainly have something to say about this perennial debate!!
I think he would also suggest us an ancient latin motto: IN MEDIO STAT VIRTUS.
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Wow, now we enter to Philosophy LOL.
But what the hell, in human science and arts we must guide us with our intelect, only if that fails we can go for other ways.
Cogito Ergo Sum
I believe that an explanation of why all the genres must follow a rational logic and a uniform criteria is found with Descartes phrase.
Niow if you ask me about taste, rationalists have nothing to say.
Iván
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Posted: September 13 2006 at 14:07 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Andrea Cortese wrote:
I was somehow disappointed by rationalist philosophers (Leibniz, Spinoza ... ).
Pragmatists did please me much more (David Hume, above all, and also for his humour... ).
Immanuel Kant beated both mixing their most peculiar and useful qualities.
Even Hegel, although he came later and was too much a formalist for my personal tastes, with his thesis, anthithesis and synthesis' theory would certainly have something to say about this perennial debate!!
I think he would also suggest us an ancient latin motto: IN MEDIO STAT VIRTUS.
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Wow, now we enter to Philosophy LOL.
But what the hell, in human science and arts we must guide us with our intelect, only if that fails we can go for other ways.
Cogito Ergo Sum
I believe that an explanation of why all the genres must follow a rational logic and a uniform criteria is found with Descartes phrase.
Niow if you ask me about taste, rationalists have nothing to say.
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When simple debate goes to phylosophy, then it means "RED ALARM", "who can save himself"...
In an abstract discussion, I would agree 100% with you, Ivàn.
As a debate on the general policy of this website - I repeat - according to its ambitious purposes to spread the knowledge of prog in the world, there are other problems and facets to think of.
The kind of music itself is surely the most important thing when discussing of genres. But it's not the only one. Other good reasons exist, even if pragmatic as the one here. Our answer has to be appropriate enough for all and each matter.
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Posted: September 13 2006 at 14:39 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Now that I have a bit of time, will try to talk about some issues mentioned during the thread.
I don’t believe in Italian Progressive for this reasons:
- Being Italian is not a sub-genre or makes them have something in common else than obviously being Italian
- Bands should be gathered by common structure or similar influences, We have:
i. 33 Italian Art Rock Bands
ii. 1 Italian Canterbury band
iii. 1 Italian Experimental bands
iv. 146 Italian Symphonic bands
v. 32 Italian Fusion bands
vi. 25 Italian Neo Prog bands
vii. 15 Italian Prog Folk bands
viii. 2 Italian Prog Related bands
ix. 19 Prog Italian Metal bands
x. 8 Italian Psychedelic bands
xi. 4 Italian Rio bands
xii. 2 Italian Zeuhl bands
- So what in hell PFM (Symphonic), Arcansiel (Neo Prog), Area (Jazz Prog Fusion, Daemonia (Art Rock), Empty Tremor (Prog Metal), Gatto Marte (Rio Avant Prog), etc have in common except that they are Italian????
- A user who wants to listen obscure Symphonic bands can receive more help searching in a Symphonic list and then in the country he wants than finding Symphonic, Fusion, Art Rock and Prog Metal bands all together mixed in a sack just because they are from Italy.
- It’s simple, sub-genres are for styles, not for nations, again IMHO.
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For instance PFM and Area have in common one member: bass player Patrick Djivas was in the first line up of Area before join PFM... A founder member of Picchio dal Pozzo was Aldo De Scalzi, brother Of Vittorio De Scalzi, founder member of New Trolls who collaborated also with PdP... Most of the musicians of the Italian progressive scene know each other and influenced each other, they used to play at the same festivals, they were part of the same "cultural mouvement"...
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Posted: September 13 2006 at 15:38 |
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I'd like to add something else to what Ivan pointed out. Perhaps the initial proposition was not clear enough, but this possible new subgenre (section? category?) would mostly include bands that were active in the Seventies (the golden age of the movement), or that take their main inspiration from that period (as it is the case of my friends Ubi Maior). Prog Metal didn't exist at the time, and bands like Novembre have really little to do with 'historic' Italian prog.
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Posted: September 13 2006 at 19:18 |
andrea wrote:
For instance PFM and Area have in common one member: bass player Patrick Djivas was in the first line up of Area before join PFM...
Tony Levin has played bass with Peter Gabriel (World or Prog Related), King Crimson (During their more eclectic era), ABWH (Symphonic) and Levin, Bozzio Stevens (Fusionesque) but nobody would claim there's connection between those bands.
John Wetton played bass with Uriah Heep (Art Rock with Metal and Symphonic leanings), UK (Symphonic), King Crimson (Pure Art Rock) and 20 diifferent bands.
Bill Bruford has played with Yes (Symph), King Crimson (Art Rock), Pavlov's Dog (Whatever category this excellent band fits in ), Levin & Bruford (Jazz Fusion), Spirogyra (Folk) and for the third time NO CONNECTIONS
A founder member of Picchio dal Pozzo was Aldo De Scalzi, brother Of Vittorio De Scalzi, founder member of New Trolls who collaborated also with PdP...
Hackett and Howe, key members of Genresis and Yes played together in a mainstream project as GTR, but again Yes & Genesis are in Symphonic while GTR is isn Prog Related.
Most of the musicians of the Italian progressive scene know each other and influenced each other, they used to play at the same festivals, they were part of the same "cultural mouvement"...
All Prog Musicians know them all. For example Keith Emerson never played with Wakeman, both have the hugest ego you can find in the market and they are greatest friends; Steve Howe has played on Stage with Dream Theater, the Magna Carta Staff has played music of all the greatest Prog artists, Magenta despite having a female vocalist has played with Annie Haslam, Kansas being from USA have toured with Yes
Many of them played in the same Festivals and influenced each other, as a fact Marillion was heavilly influenced by Genesis and both are in different genres.
Anglagard plays in the pure style of 70's British Symphonic but one is from Sweden and the others from Great Britain, the first ones sung in English, Anglagard in Swedish...BUT Both ARE SYMPHONIC.
PFM was influenced by ELP, Banco by every Symphonic Classic band, Le Orme has a lot of Genesis and Yes, so why should the influenced have a special and unique genre and the influential don't?
And this happens everywhere, there was a game we played in this or other forum (Not sure) linking bands by members, for example one guy said Arthur Brown - King Crimson, you had to connect this bands so we went:
Arthur Brown (Carl Palmer) ELP (Greg Lake) The Gods (Lee Kerslake) Uriah Heep (John Wetton) King Crimson.
Or maybe for the simpler:
Arthur Brown (Carl Palmer) ELP (Greg Lake) King Crimson
Now this was easy but sometimes we were able to create 10 or 15 bands and musicians chains and even go back by other path proving that most bands and Prog artists are related in one or another way.
But this won't justify to place The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, ELP, The Gods, Uriah Heep and King Crimson in the same genre.
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Posted: September 13 2006 at 19:56 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
andrea wrote:
For instance PFM and Area have in common one member: bass player
Patrick Djivas was in the first line up of Area before join PFM...
Tony Levin has played bass with
Peter Gabriel (World or Prog Related), King Crimson (During their more
eclectic era), ABWH (Symphonic) and Levin, Bozzio Stevens
(Fusionesque) but nobody would claim there's connection between
those bands.
John Wetton played bass with Uriah
Heep (Art Rock with Metal and Symphonic leanings), UK (Symphonic),
King Crimson (Pure Art Rock) and 20 diifferent bands.
Bill Bruford has played with Yes (Symph), King Crimson (Art Rock), Pavlov's Dog (Whatever category this excellent band fits in ), Levin & Bruford (Jazz Fusion), Spirogyra (Folk) and for the third time NO CONNECTIONS
Ivan.... this
where I get out of this debate hahahah ... you fail to see what
is going on here or worse yet.. or debating topics you may not
understand or
recognize .. and come across as grasping a straws with that
^. What
you fail to see is those musicians were part of a real movement..
not
moving around for meer employment or as hired guns... they were part of
a larger movement that had ties with the social and politcal climate in
Italy at the time. Which also bound the groups in
Italy at this
time. Where you think that the music is all the
matters...and try to
disect each group into nice tidy subgenres ...based on what... a
sample... what someone else may have written about the
group... here
we can ...and I sincerely hope will... recognize that these
groups
shared similairites and a common thread.. that transcended music ... as
to whether you think they are symphonic or not... most people
honestly
Ivan.. don't give a sh*t whether Osanna is Art-Rock or Symphonic or PR
or Folk Prog (the styles btw of the 4 albums)... they were first and
foremost.. a leading band of what was known as the Italian style of
prog. 'The beautiful prog' as I've seen many references
to....
anyway.... argue away if you want.... you really aren't
making much
sense here. You fail to recognize what drove the Italian
scene.. I'm
working on an explantion of it... you need to open your mind a
bit
Ivan. You are stubborn like me... sometimes that can get in the
way of
what is staring you right in the face. Multiple posters in this
thread
have made reference to ....and everything I've found supports the fact
that these groups from Italy were bound into a central movement... just
because they don't fit your nice tiday musical subgenres.. doesn't make
it not true or worthy of recognition here. You're beating a dead horse
Ivan.... and making yourself look a bit crazed in the
process.....
I think you summed up your dislike of what has been proprosed here
about 5 pages ago hahah. That ^ was a poor and desperate example
Ivan... you're better than that.. you might do good to read up on the
Italian movement before comparing the musicians to hired guns and
musical mercenaries like you did Anyway I'm off.... sorry to be so frank Ivan... you deserve that from me.
Any back to the reseach... you should join me Ivan
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Tony R
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Posted: September 13 2006 at 20:15 |
Buttons,Michael,clicky search buttons!
I've seen the future mate and it's BUTTONS...
Your sig....38d....something you'd like to get off your chest.....or make stay on.....whatever..what's 38d?
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Posted: September 13 2006 at 20:34 |
Tony R wrote:
Buttons,Michael,clicky search buttons!
I've seen the future mate and it's BUTTONS...
Your sig....38d....something you'd like to get off your chest.....or make stay on.....whatever..what's 38d? |
no.... the time for compromise has passed
....*gets handed a Molotov Cocktail* people. I have given
many more reasons why Italian prog should remain seperate than anyone
has offered for why they should be dispersed amoung the various
sub-genres.... and of course... no explanation as as to what
possible good comes out of dispersing them.
in time it will take M@X to install that search button... you can
simply rename an EXISTING subgenre and let us move some wayward
souls back home with their brothers so they may be appreciated.
Edited by micky - September 13 2006 at 21:02
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Posted: September 13 2006 at 22:40 |
micky wrote:
Ivan.... this where I get out of this debate hahahah ... you fail to see what is going on here or worse yet.. or debating topics you may not understand or recognize .. and come across as grasping a straws with that ^. What you fail to see is those musicians were part of a real movement.. not moving around for meer employment or as hired guns... they were part of a larger movement that had ties with the social and politcal climate in Italy at the time.
Tony Levin, Bill Bruford, Greg Lake, Carl Palmer, Rick Wakeman, etc were also part of a movement called Progressive Rock, IMO the peak of Rock evolution and not hired guns.
They are the peak of the crop.
- Rick Wakeman (Cat Stevens, Strawbs, Yes, Solo) is according to many people the best keyboardist ever.
- Tony Levin (Peter Gabriel, King Crimson, Bozzio Levin & Stevens, ABWH, etc) : Is by far in any top 5 list of bassists
- Carl Palmer (Arthur Brown, ELP, Asia, Atomic Rooster) is an outstanding drummer, member of the first successful super group called ELP
- Bill Brufotrd (At least 20 bands including three of the top 5): Top´3 drummer in any Prog list.
- Greg Lake (The Gods, ELP, King Croiimson) is one of the best voices in the market.
If it wasn't for this "hired guns" as you call them, Italian Prog would have never existed, Yes, ELP, King Crimson and Wakeman among many others are pioneers of Progressive Rock, they created what Italians, French, Dutch, etc followed.
Which also bound the groups in Italy at this time. Where you think that the music is all the matters...and try to disect each group into nice tidy subgenres ...based on what... a sample... what someone else may have written about the group... here we can ...and I sincerely hope will... recognize that these groups shared similairites and a common thread.. that transcended music ... as to whether you think they are symphonic or not... most people honestly Ivan.. don't give a sh*t whether Osanna is Art-Rock or Symphonic or PR or Folk Prog (the styles btw of the 4 albums)... they were first and foremost.. a leading band of what was known as the Italian style of prog.
Very imnteresting but IMO inaccurate, the bands fit in a genre despite their intention, Ian Anderson has sweared thousand of times he never made Progressive Rock and we know that's false, he fits in Progressoive Rock.
There are members here who believe Sub-genres shouldn't exist, others who want to create 100 genres if possible, but the site has a policy and I honestly believe that sub-genres based in characteristics are the best option.
I don't deny that Italian, French, Russian, Dutch, etc bands share a national identity, but I feel more comnmfortable finding PFM and Banco in the same genre ads ELP than with OSSANA.
You may disagree, but the rules were written hee before we all came to this site, I agree with them but that's not the point, I always defend what I believe in, when I disagree with something I say it loud, with no problems.
'The beautiful prog' as I've seen many references to.... anyway.... argue away if you want.... you really aren't making much sense here. You fail to recognize what drove the Italian scene.. I'm working on an explantion of it... you need to open your mind a bit Ivan.
My mind is open enough, I know what I believe in, I have supported it from start to end, I made people uncomfortable for saying what I believe in, but I will continue saying my truth, you disagre OK, but accept the facts, in our actual system a country or region based system doesn't fit, despite how individual is Italian scene.
You are stubborn like me... sometimes that can get in the way of what is staring you right in the face. Multiple posters in this thread have made reference to ....and everything I've found supports the fact that these groups from Italy were bound into a central movement... just because they don't fit your nice tiday musical subgenres..
Not in my nicy tidy musical sub-genres suystem Micky, they were here befopre I came and long before you did, most sites use them, I honestly believe in them and nothing will make me say I agree with something I believe is wrong.
doesn't make it not true or worthy of recognition here. You're beating a dead horse Ivan.... and making yourself look a bit crazed in the process.....
Well, according to the votes, my horrse is alive in opuinion of a wide majority of members, seems you only read the posts you and te ones who support your position write and simply forget all the others.
I believe my arguments are coherent and at least as valid as your's.
Just tell me why Italian and not Spanish, Swedish, French, German,USA. Argentina, Romania, Yougoslavia, Russian, etc Progressive, because you like Italian more?
I think you summed up your dislike of what has been proprosed here about 5 pages ago hahah. That ^ was a poor and desperate example Ivan... you're better than that.. you might do good to read up on the Italian movement before comparing the musicians to hired guns and musical mercenaries like you did Anyway I'm off.... sorry to be so frank Ivan... you deserve that from me.
Maybe if you took the time to read what others write Micky, you would notice that I was using the exact same examples Andrea used for his example to justify Italian Prog muusicians were linked, if you can't understand, well I can't do more about it.
Andrea wrote:
| For instance PFM and Area have in common one member: bass player Patrick Djivas was in the first line up of Area before join PFM... |
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Tony Levin has played bass with Peter Gabriel (World or Prog Related), King Crimson (During their more eclectic era), ABWH (Symphonic) and Levin, Bozzio Stevens (Fusionesque) but nobody would claim there's connection between those bands.
John Wetton played bass with Uriah Heep (Art Rock with Metal and Symphonic leanings), UK (Symphonic), King Crimson (Pure Art Rock) and 20 diifferent bands.
Bill Bruford has played with Yes (Symph), King Crimson (Art Rock), Pavlov's Dog (Whatever category this excellent band fits in ), Levin & Bruford (Jazz Fusion), Spirogyra (Folk) and for the third time NO CONNECTIONS |
If you fail to notice that I am using EXACTLY THE SAME ARGUMENT THAT ANDREA USED, then you're blind or just don't want to see the reality unless you agree with it.
Any back to the reseach... you should join me Ivan
I'm always doing research with the team and I will be here to give my position, if I find coherent reasons different than because I think is unique or because this country is special or because there is a national identity, I may support, but until now I haven't seen that.
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Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 13 2006 at 22:53
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Posted: September 14 2006 at 03:44 |
micky wrote:
no.... the time for compromise has passed ....*gets handed a Molotov Cocktail* people. I have given many more reasons why Italian prog should remain seperate than anyone has offered for why they should be dispersed amoung the various sub-genres.... and of course... no explanation as as to what possible good comes out of dispersing them.
in time it will take M@X to install that search button... you can simply rename an EXISTING subgenre and let us move some wayward souls back home with their brothers so they may be appreciated.
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Who says they will be dispersed?
Ivàn already showed us this was already much more the case than I thought it to be.
All of those Itlian symphonic bands should lumped (and dumped ) together in Symphonic prog
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: September 14 2006 at 04:15 |
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OK, guys and gals, I'll claim Admin privilege on this thread (whose initiator I have been) - as I think we've been running around in circles for some time. I'm afraid that, as Kipling used to say, the twain shall never meet, and I feel that if the discussion continues longer it may very well degenerate into sheer uselessness. Therefore, I think it would be better to close the thread now, and possibly open a different one on a possible modus operandi.
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