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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2006 at 16:21
I've just posted an enormous review of The Camberwell Now.
 
I've also recently downloaded an interesting album which is Massacre (Frith, Laswell, Hayward) backing vocalist Percy Howard - it's called Meridiem. It's kind of like a RIO version of Tool, with some echoes of Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. I'm still trying to make up my mind about it, but parts of it are outstanding.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2006 at 16:58
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

I've just posted an enormous review of The Camberwell Now.
 
I've also recently downloaded an interesting album which is Massacre (Frith, Laswell, Hayward) backing vocalist Percy Howard - it's called Meridiem. It's kind of like a RIO version of Tool, with some echoes of Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. I'm still trying to make up my mind about it, but parts of it are outstanding.


A RIO version of Tool??? That sounds like a wet dream come true! Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2006 at 17:07
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

I've just posted an enormous review of The Camberwell Now.
 
I've also recently downloaded an interesting album which is Massacre (Frith, Laswell, Hayward) backing vocalist Percy Howard - it's called Meridiem. It's kind of like a RIO version of Tool, with some echoes of Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. I'm still trying to make up my mind about it, but parts of it are outstanding.


A RIO version of Tool??? That sounds like a wet dream come true! Tongue
 
The album's available on emusic, and you get 25 free downloads as a free trial, so if you haven't already signed up grab it now!
 
emusic has a lot of good RIO/avant prog available plus a lot of Tzadik/Zorn at a pretty decent price.
 
Chris Cutler/Thomas DiMuzio is also well worth checking out, although their albums are subdivided into lots of short tracks so make sure that you've got some form of gapless burner/playback before you download them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2006 at 17:11
^^^Can you advise on some forms of gapless burner/playback, Syzygy?
I'd really want to have this kind of soft-ware installed on my pc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2006 at 17:20
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

I've just posted an enormous review of The Camberwell Now.
 
I've also recently downloaded an interesting album which is Massacre (Frith, Laswell, Hayward) backing vocalist Percy Howard - it's called Meridiem. It's kind of like a RIO version of Tool, with some echoes of Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. I'm still trying to make up my mind about it, but parts of it are outstanding.


A RIO version of Tool??? That sounds like a wet dream come true! Tongue
 
The album's available on emusic, and you get 25 free downloads as a free trial, so if you haven't already signed up grab it now!
 
emusic has a lot of good RIO/avant prog available plus a lot of Tzadik/Zorn at a pretty decent price.
 
Chris Cutler/Thomas DiMuzio is also well worth checking out, although their albums are subdivided into lots of short tracks so make sure that you've got some form of gapless burner/playback before you download them.


Personally, I wouldn't pay for downloads, only for an actual CD. So I don't think emusic is for me.

I think I will try to hunt this item down another way though. Thanks for the tip! Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2006 at 17:20
Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

^^^Can you advise on some forms of gapless burner/playback, Syzygy?
I'd really want to have this kind of soft-ware installed on my pc.
 
I'm not really the man to deal with technical questions, but Drag 'n Drop was installed on my laptop when I bought it (in Japan) and that gives gapless burning, unlike Burn 4 Free.
 
As for playback, I was given a pretty crap MP3 player (MPMan, 256 mb) which holds 4 albums if you're lucky, but when I loaded the Cutler DiMuzio album (42 minutes, 2 long pieces subdivided into 19 tracks) I was pleasantly surprised to find that also gave gapless playback. You can tell when one track ends and another starts, but there's no blip of silence which is what really makes my blood boil.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2006 at 17:22
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

^^^Can you advise on some forms of gapless burner/playback, Syzygy?
I'd really want to have this kind of soft-ware installed on my pc.
 
I'm not really the man to deal with technical questions, but Drag 'n Drop was installed on my laptop when I bought it (in Japan) and that gives gapless burning, unlike Burn 4 Free.
 
As for playback, I was given a pretty crap MP3 player (MPMan, 256 mb) which holds 4 albums if you're lucky, but when I loaded the Cutler DiMuzio album (42 minutes, 2 long pieces subdivided into 19 tracks) I was pleasantly surprised to find that also gave gapless playback. You can tell when one track ends and another starts, but there's no blip of silence which is what really makes my blood boil.


How can you tell then? Shocked

BTW I once downloaded some sort of an add-on (or plugin - what are those things called anyway?) for WinAMP that gave gapless playback. But WinAMP started lagging (if that's the right term) I think. Anyway, it didn't really work out. Besides, blips of silence are slightly annoying, but they don't make my blood boil. Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2006 at 17:28
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

^^^Can you advise on some forms of gapless burner/playback, Syzygy?
I'd really want to have this kind of soft-ware installed on my pc.
 
I'm not really the man to deal with technical questions, but Drag 'n Drop was installed on my laptop when I bought it (in Japan) and that gives gapless burning, unlike Burn 4 Free.
 
As for playback, I was given a pretty crap MP3 player (MPMan, 256 mb) which holds 4 albums if you're lucky, but when I loaded the Cutler DiMuzio album (42 minutes, 2 long pieces subdivided into 19 tracks) I was pleasantly surprised to find that also gave gapless playback. You can tell when one track ends and another starts, but there's no blip of silence which is what really makes my blood boil.


How can you tell then?
 
Difficult to describe - maybe it's not true gapless playback because there's something akin to a needle skipping ever so slightly on a vinyl turntable, but unless you're listening very closely you wouldn't notice it. Unlike the Ipod, which seems to put 1 -2 seconds of silence between tracks even when they're meant to segue into each other.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2006 at 17:31
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

^^^Can you advise on some forms of gapless burner/playback, Syzygy?
I'd really want to have this kind of soft-ware installed on my pc.
 
I'm not really the man to deal with technical questions, but Drag 'n Drop was installed on my laptop when I bought it (in Japan) and that gives gapless burning, unlike Burn 4 Free.
 
As for playback, I was given a pretty crap MP3 player (MPMan, 256 mb) which holds 4 albums if you're lucky, but when I loaded the Cutler DiMuzio album (42 minutes, 2 long pieces subdivided into 19 tracks) I was pleasantly surprised to find that also gave gapless playback. You can tell when one track ends and another starts, but there's no blip of silence which is what really makes my blood boil.


How can you tell then?
 
Difficult to describe - maybe it's not true gapless playback because there's something akin to a needle skipping ever so slightly on a vinyl turntable, but unless you're listening very closely you wouldn't notice it. Unlike the Ipod, which seems to put 1 -2 seconds of silence between tracks even when they're meant to segue into each other.


1-2 seconds is certainly more annoying than a blip. But what I find the biggest problem about mp3-players is that most of them throw the songs out of the correct order if you drag and drop an entire album to it. Angry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2006 at 21:27
This is one for fans of Ruins.

Erehia

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http://www.tarkus.org/reviews/erehia.html

Erehia plays "machine gun prog" like Simon Steensland and Japanese bands such as Happy Family and Ruins. The comparison with the last mentioned is more than accidental, as Erehia basically is a bass/percussion duo. Admittedly, more instruments are added, like electric guitar and viola (very well played by the way), but the music appears to be written around a percussion /bass core.

We are not speaking solely about "interplay", the labyrinth-sounding patterns show signs of instruments opposing and competing. Everything sounds systematized down to the smallest detail, and this indisputably gives the material a restless and quite strenuous character, another element in common with Ruins. On the other hand, Erehia does not share Ruins’ bizarre harmonic and vocal domain, and this gives Manuzkritoz a darker, more esoteric and delicate "avant prog" expression.

The duo apparently has arranged this demanding music with the ambition of performing it live, for example, programmed drums are used in order to allow percussionist Tizok to add guitar to Jorge Gaitan’s impressive bass lines, in the cases where the double melody lines are too advanced for MIDI system solutions. With the exception of a few background voices, the CD is purely instrumental.

I admit that I initially appreciate true "alternative" prog of this high caliber with regard to composing, technique and preferred "sound". And I have a deep admiration for Manuzkritoz, even if I empathize with those who for one reason or another find this music impenetrable. Avant prog fans, on the other hand, ought to look for this album until they find it, as this is seriously coarse stuff.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2006 at 21:34
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I'm listening to a track by Estradasphere called "The Dapper Bandits" and I think it's more Assaf's thing than Adam's.

Are you familiar with them?  I see they're in the archives.  If you are aware of them, where do you suggest I start album-wise with them?

Shock horror... but they vaguely remind me of Taal (on the one song I heard)!

Also worth a mention is Dave Murray's (former drummer of Estradasphere) new band The Deserts of Träun, which I believe is probably of a similar sound to Estradasphere.  I've not heard anything by them however.  They do have an album out though, called "George Arvanitas Pres. the Arti".

Anyone familiar with them?


I'm not overly farmiliar with them but I have heard some of their material. I guess you could make some ties with Taal, they possess that farmiliar constant swaping of genres and also at times reminds me of fellow American's Mr bungle and Sebkha Chott, but with a little more serious side to them.

I don't think I am going to be much help in recommending them, the American avant-garde scene is not something I am overly interested/impressed by, so  differences in taste might be coming into play here.

Try and find some more samples before to take the step and think about purchasing, they could be more your thing than mine, so I wish you luck with it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2006 at 16:31
Just a quick note, maybe of worth...

Astrid Proll's track 88MHz's is apparently influenced by the Finnish band Circle and I have Taantamus to listen to, so if this is the case, I should like Circle.

Also, if anyone likes Circle, I urge you to get a copy of Astrid Proll's debut album.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2006 at 16:37
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Just a quick note, maybe of worth...

Astrid Proll's track 88MHz's is apparently influenced by the Finnish band Circle and I have Taantamus to listen to, so if this is the case, I should like Circle.

Also, if anyone likes Circle, I urge you to get a copy of Astrid Proll's debut album.
 
 
It's a good thing you remind me of Circle, as Jimbo and I need to add them to the site.
 
Yes I love Cirle and yes, I ordered a copy of Asrtid Proll, which should arrive this week.
 
James, do you think you, Ruben (Chamberry) and I are the only ones who have ordered this?
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2006 at 19:51
I've spoken to Agustín and he says many people in Puerto Rico have picked it up at concerts.

Apart from you, I do believe it's just us two on PA that actually own a copy though.  I hope that changes, as I know a few people on here are interested.

I believe I'm the only UK resident to own a copy and maybe even outside of North America and Puerto Rico!

However, I believe my review may change things, as the guys in the band are impressed with it and they're going to use it as the main review for their press pack.  It's 1700 words, or there abouts.

There are also some other things I shall tell you at a later date.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2006 at 20:34
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I've spoken to Agustín and he says many people in Puerto Rico have picked it up at concerts.

Apart from you, I do believe it's just us two on PA that actually own a copy though.  I hope that changes, as I know a few people on here are interested.

I believe I'm the only UK resident to own a copy and maybe even outside of North America and Puerto Rico!

However, I believe my review may change things, as the guys in the band are impressed with it and they're going to use it as the main review for their press pack.  It's 1700 words, or there abouts.

There are also some other things I shall tell you at a later date.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2006 at 20:38
You misread that, Ruben...

Apart from you (meaning Assaf), I do believe it's just us two (Ruben and I), on PA that actually own a copy though.

Ruben, apart from the band themselves, you're the only other person who I know who has heard the album!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2006 at 20:45
Really? Who else? I've heard some people from Puerto Rico talk about the album at their myspace page, but that's it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2006 at 21:42
I know Assaf has ordered a copy and I know a few people who said they would in the future, but you're the only person that I know that has heard it.

I'm eagerly awaiting Assaf to hear it and to report back.  I want to know where he thinks they should be added, as I believe they should definitely be in PA.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2006 at 19:06
In order to revive this thread a bit, I thought of something.
 
I was thinking that we got an extensive review in this thread from several experts, on the Japanese avant-garde scene.

Now, as I am a passionate music listener and always on the lookout for music I don't know and might like, I am grateful for this opportunity to have this constant flow of information. So thanks to everyone who has contributed Clap

Now, I was thinking to give a look at the avantgarde scene in the USA (after that we can move to other places). Why the USA? No reason, other that I have just moved here and will stay here for at least 5 years (and then hopefully return to Europe). So I was looking to deepen my knowledge of American music that is far from the norm, underground, noise, avantgarde, rio etc.
 
You can mention those were already discussed here (Absolute Zero, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, 5UU's etc), ot you can tell of the ones you know that are not known to all of us and not listed in PA.
 
The Americans listed here are (some might be controversial):
BIRDSONGS OF THE MESOZOIC CAPTAIN BEEFHEART (AND THE MAGIC BAND) ESTRADASPHERE FRENCH TV HELLA KENEALLY, MIKE PATTON, MIKE SIR MILLARD MULCH SLEEPYTIME GORILLA MUSEUM U TOTEM ZAPPA, FRANK
 
(The RIO/Avant list seems to grow daily Confused)
 
And those are those that are not listed and might be in:
 
Look here for more:
 
And there are more...
 
I know Adam is not too keen on this side of the avantgarde but I think maybe we can change his mind a bit... Of course it does not much in commoon with the Japanese bands which he has introduced us to, and I think this is exactly what is good about this. A chance to hear something else, a new approach to a music out of the common norm.
 
 
So any recommendation you have, it is welcome.
 
 
You can also suggest which other country can receive a focus.
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2006 at 20:02
Nice idea, Assaf, for the moment it is just going be a list on my behalf as my dam internet keeps dropping out Angry
 
Anyway, a lot of these are noise orientated projects, but there is other stuff in there as well. Also I'm not saying all these are good, just what I have in my collection at the moment.
 
- Shellac
- Borbetomagus (fantastic Free Jazz-noise)
- Ex Models  
- Lightning Bolt
- Six Finger Satellite
- Moolah
- Black Dice
- Wolf Eyes
- Avey Tare and Panda Bear
- Liars
- Black Flag
- Venetian Snares (from Canada but close enough)
- Z'Ev
- Terminal 4 (know idea where they are from , but thought I would throw them in)
- Henry Cowell
- Tosca Tango Orchestra (they did the sound track to the moive 'Waking Life')
 
I'm sure there is a lot more that I am forgetting at this moment.
 
Also another country we could have a look at is England. Yes they boast some average symphonic bands, but they sure knew how to craft some nice experimental.


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