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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 29 2004 at 23:11
 Thumbs Up Great point, "Man-o-war!" GG definitely approached the genre with humour! Remember Spooky Boogie? Fun song on an otherwise inferior album!Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2004 at 08:16
Does humour belong in prog?.....YES....Yes it does. P.S Corbett..I LIKE I LIKE!!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2004 at 13:13

Peter:

"Spooky Boogie"?  Don't know that one.  GG?

Another "prog" (in my opinion) band that approached music and lyrics with humor was 10CC.  Very clever, witty, sometimes sardonic, plus "playful" arrangements in many songs.

One could even argue that Ian Anderson approached J.T.'s writing, arrangements and vocals with a "bit of wit" and levity, if not outright humor.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2004 at 21:48

Smile Yes Maani, definitely a lot of humour in Ian Anderson's JT lyrics! (And don't forget "The Hare Who Lost his Spectacles" fable on A Passion Play.)

And you're right on again, "m'maan" Wink: 10cc had mucho musical monkeyshines! Too many examples to list, but they could be moving and profound too, even within a single song, as on the awesome Feel the Benefit. 10cc and your other faves XTC were/are absolute genius pop master-craftsmen! I love both!

"Spooky Boogie" (a corny, faux-"scary" instrumental) appeared on the disappointing, not worth replacing on CD, Giant for a Day, which I'd give 1-2 stars at most. Thank goodness for The Missing Piece, which redeemed the band in this fan's eyes (ears, anyway)!

TMP and the later Civilian may have been more "commercial" and accessible than the classic Giant albums, but only in comparison to what they had done before. Compared to other music being released in the late 70s - early eighties by some other prog "bands (ELP - Looove Beach, anyone? Gag me with a spoon! Barf me out!), it was still highly original music!

The Love Beach album cover was hilarious, but tragically, not intentionally so..... What the heck were ELP thinking? "Hey, it worked for the Bee Gees. (Uh-oh, Uh-oh, barely alive, barely alive....) Pass me that coke spoon, and let's dance, Greg....." Ha!LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2004 at 03:27
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

Peter:

"Spooky Boogie"?  Don't know that one.  GG?

Another "prog" (in my opinion) band that approached music and lyrics with humor was 10CC.  Very clever, witty, sometimes sardonic, plus "playful" arrangements in many songs.

One could even argue that Ian Anderson approached J.T.'s writing, arrangements and vocals with a "bit of wit" and levity, if not outright humor.

Peace.

Great that you mentioned 10CC, Maani! I always loved listened to my father's lp from 10CC's 'How Dare You'. I think some of the songs on that album are Prog with a capital 'P'. 'Iceberg' and 'I Wanna Rule The World' are FANTASTIC and very funny songs!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2004 at 23:08

Peter:

Oops!  Missing Piece is 77; Giant for a Day is 78; Civilian is 80.  Thus, MB could not have "redeemed" GFAD!  I forgive you, though...

Peter/Joren:

It really is a thrill (no facetiousness here) to have two more 10CC fans!  I was a fan way back when they were "Hotlegs," prior to their first eponymous album.   Even on that first album, humor was rife: "Rubber Bullets," "The Dean, His Daughter and Me," "Sand in my Face"...  Then "Sheet Music" had "Wall Street Shuffle," "Somewhere in Hollywood," "Oh Effendi"... Then "Original Soundtrack" had "One Night in Paris" (!), "Blackmail," "Film of My Love"...  Then "How Dare You" had (as Joren points out ) "Iceberg," "I Wanna Rule The World, ""Head Room"...  And the list goes on...

As an aside, I attended a Peter Hamill concert at The Beacon (I was a guest of the theater as a result of my tenure there), and had a long talk with Scott Muni (then program director of WNEW-FM, the AOR station NY) about popular music.  I asked him why bands like GG and 10CC never got the audience they deserved.  He felt that they were too "cerebral" - that the "average" person didn't "get" the cleverness, either musical or lyrical.  But he did love both bands.  I can't say I disagree with his assessment.  Still, GG, XTC and 10CC have always had a special place in my heart, at least partially because of their levity...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2004 at 00:20

Embarrassed Whoops! Thanks for the GG correction, Maani. Guess I should have checked the discography -- I was a trifle unsure about the chronology when writing that. We're talking about albums that I bought when they came out, 24-27 years ago. Much brain-cell loss since then (especially then!)Wacko Though I do have Octopus, Free Hand and The Power and the Glory, I have neither of the albums I mentioned on disc (have some MP3s, hey, they got my money once!), and the vinyl, if I even still have it, is thousand of miles away....Cry 

Civilian (heavier, different, somewhat of a pseudo "new-wave" flavour -- but GOOD) was the last Giant I bought, as prog seemed to (largely) drop off the musical radar in the 80s. I was busy buying Talking Heads, Police, Cars, XTC, Specials, Madness, English Beat, Ian Dury, Simple Minds, Ultravox, Talk Talk, Men Without Hats, Mental as Anything, Dire Straits, Fripp's "new wave" League of Gentlemen, etc. etc. during those years. I still really like 80s music (there's a BROAD category for you!), which, I would maintain, sound-wise, runs from around the "death" of disco (Die, die, thou evil spawn of Satan! Burn in Hell! Aargh! It's back! It won't stay dead!) in 76-77, to the appearance of "grunge" in the late 80s (87? 88?).Ying Yang Other good "new wave" prog: Eno & Byrne - My life in the Bush of Ghosts; Fripp - Exposure; PG - Peter Gabriel (the one with "Games Without Frontiers"); Bowie - Low, Heroes, Lodger (great guitar from Belew) & Scary Monsters; Eno - Before and After Science. Prog? Not sure. Good music? Definitely!

Clap I really enjoyed -- to the point of wanting to track you down and inflict (minor) bodily harm upon you -- your "favourite prog concerts" piece! LUCKY YOU!

Take it easy, & good to see you here on the Forums again!Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2004 at 00:13

Peter:

Re my concert-going (and celebrity-meeting), please don't hurt me. 

I was fortunate to have three things occur in my life.

First, when I was 16, I got a job as Asst. Stage Mgr. at The Beacon Theater.  By coincidence, that year (9/75-6/76) Madison Square Garden was closed for renovations, so lots of acts that would have played MSG played at Radio City, Academy of Music (later The Palladium), and The Beacon.  That year, I got to work with Genesis (Trick of the Tail tour, with Bruford), Queen (Night at the Opera tour), Supertramp (Crime of the Century tour), Nektar, 10CC (Original Soundtrack tour), Return to Forever, Bob Marley and the Wailers, Santana, Joe Cocker, and many others.

Around the same time, I came into some money (not lots, but some), so I was able to afford to go to lots of concerts; that's how I got to see every Yes, Genesis, Gentle Giant, Floyd and other tours from 1975 to the late 80s.

Finally, from 1985 to 1995, I worked as an assistant to guitarist-inventor Les Paul.  Through Les I not only met almost every major rock guitarist in the world at the time - including Jimmy Page, David Gilmour, Slash, James Hetfield, Brian May, Steve Miller, Al DiMeola, et al - but also attended many concerts either with or on behalf of Les (including Paul McCartney's private concert for CBS at the Ed Sullivan Theater during his "Off The Ground" tour, and Pink Floyd at Giant Stadium in the mid-90s).

All of this was a matter of "being in the right place at the right time" - which has happened to me far more than I anyone has any right to expect.  In any case, these situations allowed me to attend dozens, possibly hundreds, of concerts for an almost 20-year period from the mid-1970s to the mid-1990s.

I could literally write a book about the people I met (and other anecdotes) at The Beacon and through Les.  Perhaps I will one day - if I can ever find the time!

Peace.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2004 at 00:39

Hey,  Maan,

One word:COOL! Cool

I'll help edit the book, if I can meet a select 20-30 of its brightest stars!

(Hey, ya gotta dream....)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2004 at 03:00

to Maani:

You lucky BASTARD!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2004 at 00:15

Peter/Joren:

Do you remember the Breck Shampoo commercial with Jacqueline Smith?  The tag line was: "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful."

Well, don't hate me because I was in the right place at the right time!  Believe me, I'm as amazed by it as you are jealous of it!  But for goodness sake, it's not like I have (or even had) dinner with Genesis or Pink Floyd (though, now that I think about it, I did have dinner with Yes once, but that's another story!).

Also, it's somewhat true that when you are around celebrities all the time, you get a bit jaded.  You also learn the most basic lesson of working with celebs - that there are two types: those who want to be treated like celebs, and those who want to be treated like people.  Once you learn this - and get good at discerning it quickly with each person - it helps you survive.  (God forbid you should try to treat a "celeb" like a regular person!!)

Anyway, maybe one day I'll relate some of the most interesting anecdotes of my time at the Beacon and my time with Les.  My absolutely most favorite memory at the Beacon?  Smoking a spliff with Bob Marley!  My favorite memory with Les?  Trading jokes with a beer-besotted Jimmy Page (or maybe seeing David Gilmour tossing a ball around with his son backstage at Giant Stadium just before a Floyd show).

More later!

Peace.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2004 at 07:15

OK, I'm not jealous, I just feel very happy for you...

and very unhappy for me!

No, seriously, I think you were very lucky meeting all those celebrities. (And I'd like to hear about Jimmy Page)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2004 at 12:10
I partied with Nina Hagen's band but didn't get to meet her. She was one of those celebs who wanted to be treated like a celeb!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2004 at 13:25

If I were in maani's place, I would spend 90 per cent of my time on my knees, shouting "We're not worthy! We're not worthy!"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2004 at 11:27

Of course it does!!! Prelude of Life - A passion play - Jethro Tull



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2004 at 22:25
not only is there humour in prog but there is a humour OF prog much of which is being supplied by the visitors to this forum.This is rapidly becoming one of the funniest(FOR THE VERY BEST OF REASONS) and most entertaining sites of its kind with a unique style that is setting it apart from other more mundane forums of music commentary YES THERE IS HUMOUR IN PROG...DONT BELEIVE ME?....JUST LOOK AROUND

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2004 at 06:27

'nuff said!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2004 at 17:22

maani's trivia question unveiled this site:

http://www.amiright.com/parody/70s/yes0.shtml

 

Check out the parody lyrics to "And You and I":

"And You and I" Based on the performance by Yes
"Canned Stew and I" Parody by Rick Duncan


From the album "Close to the Fridge"

A can of peas remains inside the Fridgidaire
Been there for hours, wouldn't feed it to a bear
As a new divorcee, I'm now a kitchen slave
Never cooked in my life without a microwave
There's nothing here to eat that doesn't
Taste like glue

There in the corner lies a real old chicken thigh
And next to that is something green, I think it's pie
I know I should clean it more than once a year
But I don't really use it except for chilling beer
Ah, there's some pizza left maybe a slice or two

Rotten eggs and old and now quite worthless fruit
Shells are broken, stench is growing more acute
Garbage day is not for three more days at least
Open the door, open all of the door
Till those smells go by.......

And you know I know not to open the freezer
And you know I will order out...... again....

It's greasy burgers at another fast food dive
I should be glad this stuff is keeping me alive
There'll be no extra cheese this time I'm watching weight
I'm hoping that soon I can attract a date
Hold nose as all this crap begins to enter me....

I looked real hard but could not see
A decent restaurant for miles around me
The taco vendor down the street
Is using a questionable kind of meat
In the end it's the same you have to pay the bill
You stumble out of there having had your fill
Go home as loneliness begins to enter you

Canned stew and I will go and sit on the couch now
A couple shots of rum will soften the flavor
I hope this nasty stuff will pass through my liver
And in the dismal morning I will begin anew....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2004 at 01:55

i think after reading all these answers that we LIVE  in the realm of funny!!!!!!!

we need the humor to survive in the studio, in the job and in our lives, maybe humor souldnīt be exposed as ashow but as a joy... i say that you must go and be as humorous as you can be and then find the opposite... which one you like the most!!!, music without humor is like sex without love!

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