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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2006 at 12:22
Originally posted by Australian Australian wrote:

Bass is too constant and it sounds too blunt, even with 6 strings. You may as well use a guitar as it has the same strings as a bass plus a G and E string, and more things can be done on it. Chris Squire's Fish Out of Water is the best example of a Bass dominated album.   



That's total rubbish. Like others have stated, you are describing bass when played poorly. Bass can be very intricate, delicate and beautiful sounding. It all just depends on who's playing it.

Also, bass is in no way easier than guitar. It is more physically demanding to play, with heavier strings, wider frets, and the need for extremely strong fingers on both hands to play it.

The bass also has potentially more style of play than any other instrument. There's your standard finger style, or it can be played with a pick. But there's also pop and slap. Bass has a much wider range of harmonic capabilities than guitar, and two handed tapping has just as many capabilities, if not more than guitar, because it will give you a strong lower sound just by tapping, which guitar cannot.

Also, bass is, if anything, harder to play while singing than guitar. I've been playing bass for 6 years, and I still can not sing and play the bass well at the same time. However, singing while playing the guitar comes very easily for me. This is probably because when you play bass, you are the only person in the band that has two roles. You play with the melodic part of the music, and the rhythmic, two things which will keep you busy enough. To add in singing is a lot to ask.

One other thing that makes the bass difficult; When you are playing bass in a band, everyone notices when you make a mistake. You stick out like a sore thumb.

A great thing about being a bassist is that you are always in demand. I play both electric and upright, and I play in Jazz bands, orchestras, Rock, Prog, Indie...it's almost impossible to name a genre of music where a bassist is not needed. This however does not hold true for guitar.

I personally am a big fan of the 4 string bass. I find myself getting lost when I play more than that, especially when I play a 6 string. Though I do love that high C. I just am much more comfortable with the the feel of a 4 string, the necks on extra stringed basses are just too wide.

Let me just say that I do not hate guitar or guitarist. I love playing guitar, it's a beautiful and incredible instrument. I just sometimes have to stick up for my other 4 string players.

As far as bassists that have influenced me the most, I'd have to say Flea of the Red Hot Chili Peppers is very high up on the list, as cliche as it may be. I love his style, and he makes the bass very very fun to play.

Also, John Patitucci just blows me away, both on upright and electric, as do Eddie Gomez, Christian McBride, both who I have seen play live, and Stanley Clarke. They are truly scarily talented men who deserve more recognition.

And of course there is the great Jaco Pastorius, who began the bass guitar revolution, and Victor Wooten, who continues to expand the horizons of the bass today.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2006 at 08:17
^Actually, I think it's Sir Paul McCartney who led the bass revolution - left-handed, I might add!

He brought bass to the fore - as part of the ensemble instead of a mere backing instrument.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2006 at 23:49
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

^Actually, I think it's Sir Paul McCartney who led the bass revolution - left-handed, I might add!

He brought bass to the fore - as part of the ensemble instead of a mere backing instrument.


One could make that argument, but if you want to talk rock bassists from the 60's, John Entwhistle of The Who takes the cake.

As far as what I meant by Jaco, I think he's the first person to ever be widely aknowledged in his time as a bass virtuoso.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2006 at 23:58
Originally posted by Zoso Zoso wrote:

Originally posted by Australian Australian wrote:

Bass is too constant and it sounds too blunt, even with 6 strings. You may as well use a guitar as it has the same strings as a bass plus a G and E string, and more things can be done on it. Chris Squire's Fish Out of Water is the best example of a Bass dominated album.   



That's total rubbish. Like others have stated, you are describing bass when played poorly. Bass can be very intricate, delicate and beautiful sounding. It all just depends on who's playing it.

Also, bass is in no way easier than guitar. It is more physically demanding to play, with heavier strings, wider frets, and the need for extremely strong fingers on both hands to play it.

The bass also has potentially more style of play than any other instrument. There's your standard finger style, or it can be played with a pick. But there's also pop and slap. Bass has a much wider range of harmonic capabilities than guitar, and two handed tapping has just as many capabilities, if not more than guitar, because it will give you a strong lower sound just by tapping, which guitar cannot.

Also, bass is, if anything, harder to play while singing than guitar. I've been playing bass for 6 years, and I still can not sing and play the bass well at the same time. However, singing while playing the guitar comes very easily for me. This is probably because when you play bass, you are the only person in the band that has two roles. You play with the melodic part of the music, and the rhythmic, two things which will keep you busy enough. To add in singing is a lot to ask.

One other thing that makes the bass difficult; When you are playing bass in a band, everyone notices when you make a mistake. You stick out like a sore thumb.

A great thing about being a bassist is that you are always in demand. I play both electric and upright, and I play in Jazz bands, orchestras, Rock, Prog, Indie...it's almost impossible to name a genre of music where a bassist is not needed. This however does not hold true for guitar.

I personally am a big fan of the 4 string bass. I find myself getting lost when I play more than that, especially when I play a 6 string. Though I do love that high C. I just am much more comfortable with the the feel of a 4 string, the necks on extra stringed basses are just too wide.

Let me just say that I do not hate guitar or guitarist. I love playing guitar, it's a beautiful and incredible instrument. I just sometimes have to stick up for my other 4 string players.

As far as bassists that have influenced me the most, I'd have to say Flea of the Red Hot Chili Peppers is very high up on the list, as cliche as it may be. I love his style, and he makes the bass very very fun to play.

Also, John Patitucci just blows me away, both on upright and electric, as do Eddie Gomez, Christian McBride, both who I have seen play live, and Stanley Clarke. They are truly scarily talented men who deserve more recognition.

And of course there is the great Jaco Pastorius, who began the bass guitar revolution, and Victor Wooten, who continues to expand the horizons of the bass today.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2006 at 23:59
Originally posted by Zoso Zoso wrote:


Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

^Actually, I think it's Sir Paul McCartney who led the bass revolution - left-handed, I might add!

He brought bass to the fore - as part of the ensemble instead of a mere backing instrument.


One could make that argument, but if you want to talk rock bassists from the 60's, John Entwhistle of The Who takes the cake.

As far as what I meant by Jaco, I think he's the first person to ever be widely aknowledged in his time as a bass virtuoso.


Very true, but it still took time for wide recognition of bass "heroes." Jaco might have actually been one of the first. His was the first name I recall being spoken with true reverence. The younger guys came up during the time when these icons were finally getting their due. That could have a lot to do with it.
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2006 at 00:52
Originally posted by Barla Barla wrote:

Originally posted by Zoso Zoso wrote:

Originally posted by Australian Australian wrote:

Bass is too constant and it sounds too blunt, even with 6 strings. You may as well use a guitar as it has the same strings as a bass plus a G and E string, and more things can be done on it. Chris Squire's Fish Out of Water is the best example of a Bass dominated album.   



That's total rubbish. Like others have stated, you are describing bass when played poorly. Bass can be very intricate, delicate and beautiful sounding. It all just depends on who's playing it.

Also, bass is in no way easier than guitar. It is more physically demanding to play, with heavier strings, wider frets, and the need for extremely strong fingers on both hands to play it.

The bass also has potentially more style of play than any other instrument. There's your standard finger style, or it can be played with a pick. But there's also pop and slap. Bass has a much wider range of harmonic capabilities than guitar, and two handed tapping has just as many capabilities, if not more than guitar, because it will give you a strong lower sound just by tapping, which guitar cannot.

Also, bass is, if anything, harder to play while singing than guitar. I've been playing bass for 6 years, and I still can not sing and play the bass well at the same time. However, singing while playing the guitar comes very easily for me. This is probably because when you play bass, you are the only person in the band that has two roles. You play with the melodic part of the music, and the rhythmic, two things which will keep you busy enough. To add in singing is a lot to ask.

One other thing that makes the bass difficult; When you are playing bass in a band, everyone notices when you make a mistake. You stick out like a sore thumb.

A great thing about being a bassist is that you are always in demand. I play both electric and upright, and I play in Jazz bands, orchestras, Rock, Prog, Indie...it's almost impossible to name a genre of music where a bassist is not needed. This however does not hold true for guitar.

I personally am a big fan of the 4 string bass. I find myself getting lost when I play more than that, especially when I play a 6 string. Though I do love that high C. I just am much more comfortable with the the feel of a 4 string, the necks on extra stringed basses are just too wide.

Let me just say that I do not hate guitar or guitarist. I love playing guitar, it's a beautiful and incredible instrument. I just sometimes have to stick up for my other 4 string players.

As far as bassists that have influenced me the most, I'd have to say Flea of the Red Hot Chili Peppers is very high up on the list, as cliche as it may be. I love his style, and he makes the bass very very fun to play.

Also, John Patitucci just blows me away, both on upright and electric, as do Eddie Gomez, Christian McBride, both who I have seen play live, and Stanley Clarke. They are truly scarily talented men who deserve more recognition.

And of course there is the great Jaco Pastorius, who began the bass guitar revolution, and Victor Wooten, who continues to expand the horizons of the bass today.
 
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I'm a bass player too and I feel very proud of the instrument and obviously love playing it !!
 
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Thanks man. Smile Glad to see we have so many bassists on this forum.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2006 at 06:48

I also like to play bass, I have an Aria Pro 2, which I believe is a Rickenbacker copy with cheaper electronics.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2006 at 23:52
I've been playing Bass for almost 13 years now, and this weekend will be 10 years since I got my Rickenbacker.

I've always preferred 4-Strings because my hands are relatively small for a Bass player.

I have come across a few 5-String models that feel good to my left hand, and I would have bought one too if I had the funds at the time.

I used to play the String Bass/Double Bass/Upright/Bas Viol, etc. in Orchestra back in High School.

It's a beautiful sounding instrument, but either my hands aren't right for it or my technique wasn't correct because I had to give it up or risk Carpal Tunnel Syndrome...in which case I couldn't play ANYTHING ever again!

The choice was simple.

By the way, Jaco may have been the first regarded by the mainstream as a ground-breaker, but get Magma's "Inedits" and listen to Janik Top's solo on "K.M.X.", recorded in 1973.

What a frightening bass solo!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2006 at 16:15
I managed to try today a 6-string Washburn... There is no return! Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2006 at 16:54
Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2006 at 18:26
I notice some people complain that the neck of a 6 string is too wide for their hands, dont let that stop you as you will get used to it, I did and I have small hands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2006 at 23:15
I started teaching myself a bit of bass when my friend left his at my house. I'm right handed, but I founf that it was much easier to play left handed because I wanted to do faster stuff on the fretboard that my left hand couldn't do.
 
Incidentally, my band has two bass players (although the second one joined more recently, so we haven't had a chance to record anything with this lineup, but it sounds cool).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2006 at 23:09
Gah. The only bassist I know thinks anyone with more than 4 strings is a sell-out, and you suck by using a pick. I told him that Squire uses a pick, and he replied, "Well then, Chris Squire sucks!" Funny thing is, when he found out Jack Bruce uses more than 4 strings, he went, "Oh, well Jack Bruce is different."
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2006 at 09:00
Another reason for more people playing Bass nowadays instead of lead guitar is the current popular music.
 
R&B and Rap and assorted music which dominates MTV currently is mostly bass oriented.
 
so naturally young people start apreciating the bass as the lead instrument.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2006 at 09:17
^ Also "Red Hot Chili Peppers" and other funk stuff promote bass playing!
 
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

I notice some people complain that the neck of a 6 string is too wide for their hands, dont let that stop you as you will get used to it, I did and I have small hands.
I was surprised how good and easy it feels to play! Big smile Got my self a Washburn 6-string, and I'm completelly crazy about it!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2006 at 20:07
Originally posted by Eetu Pellonpää Eetu Pellonpää wrote:

^ Also "Red Hot Chili Peppers" and other funk stuff promote bass playing!
 
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

I notice some people complain that the neck of a 6 string is too wide for their hands, dont let that stop you as you will get used to it, I did and I have small hands.
I was surprised how good and easy it feels to play! Big smile Got my self a Washburn 6-string, and I'm completelly crazy about it!
 
I also started playing a 6-string bass a few months ago! It certainly feels good when you play it and you get used to the wider neck after not too long, so my left hand didn't complain that much. But my back did!! The only downside of the 6-string bass I'm playing is that it's way much heavier than the regular 4 strings!! I don't know if that's only the case of the model I'm currently playing or if anyone else had this issue as well!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2006 at 17:07
I didn't read the whole post, but I would like to add (or confirm) that the 5 and 6 stringed modern basses added a responsibility that many (rock) bass players used to overlook: learning chords. I even knew some lazy guitarrists that just 'became' bass players with the intention of skipping learning harmony / chords.

I say that because on the 80's, when I started playing guitar on my first bands, the bassist would say: "What's the key?" and I would reply: "G minor" and the guy would say: "Cut the 'minor' bullsh*t, for me, G is G and that's enough!"

And everybody knows it is not true. Every bass player must know all chords,  with all variations (7th, diminished, etc) so that they will create suitable basslines according to the songs' harmony, not being limited to the root notes.

Now I note that with the 5 and 6 strings, the bass players are more keen to learn and perform full chords instead of keeping themselves playing 'Roots + fifths + octaves' only. This of course improves the bass player capacity to solo as well, as once they know the harmony, they can improvise much more creatively and accurately.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2006 at 22:01
Originally posted by Mumakil Mumakil wrote:

I didn't read the whole post, but I would like to add (or confirm) that the 5 and 6 stringed modern basses added a responsibility that many (rock) bass players used to overlook: learning chords. I even knew some lazy guitarrists that just 'became' bass players with the intention of skipping learning harmony / chords.

I say that because on the 80's, when I started playing guitar on my first bands, the bassist would say: "What's the key?" and I would reply: "G minor" and the guy would say: "Cut the 'minor' bullsh*t, for me, G is G and that's enough!"

And everybody knows it is not true. Every bass player must know all chords,  with all variations (7th, diminished, etc) so that they will create suitable basslines according to the songs' harmony, not being limited to the root notes.

Now I note that with the 5 and 6 strings, the bass players are more keen to learn and perform full chords instead of keeping themselves playing 'Roots + fifths + octaves' only. This of course improves the bass player capacity to solo as well, as once they know the harmony, they can improvise much more creatively and accurately.

Best regards, you prog-heads!

 
I partially agree with you here.
 
I agree with you in the fact that a respectable bass player should know all chords and scales with their variation, for it will give you a wider work frame; now if only my 12 year old bass student could understand that instead of complaining... LOL
 
I'm just not to keen on playing chords on the bass, unless you mean playing the notes of a chord (but not at the same time) or playing chords on the first three strings of a 6-string bass (that's the C, G and D strings), because otherwise I think it sounds too "overloaded" (for lacking a better word right know, but I hope you get what I mean).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2006 at 16:10
I play chords on my four strings...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2006 at 19:57

I don't know, I think guitar is still quite a bit more popular than bass.  I don't play bass, but don't the strings cost a lot more for base than for guitar?  Maybe that contributes a little to guitar's popularity.  Also, the bass has always been very popular in music.  In a jazz band, the bassist is arguably the most important part of the rhythm section, as they keep the time of the band by playing (hopefully) perfect time on their walking basslines.

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