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mystic fred
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 13 2006 Location: Londinium Status: Offline Points: 4252 |
Posted: September 24 2006 at 07:16 | ||
you will learn more English by participating in this forum than anywhere, FF !! You are definitely not stupid, full credit to you for coming on this site and conversing in English so well , as to all members who come on here whose first language is not English. Some of the reviews are a bit difficult to follow sometimes but most are very good indeed. Personally i feel ashamed sometimes as i can only speak one language, i would like to learn German, as everybody should learn to speak at least two. when visiting foreign countries i have always taken the trouble to learn SOME of the language of the country i am visiting, if only to show respect.
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Falling Flower
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 14 2006 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 1079 |
Posted: September 24 2006 at 06:48 | ||
I learned my English of crappy American soaps on television so you can't really expect me to write all sophisticated and spell every word correct, because I can't.
In school here we get 1 hour of English per week, and if I learned only that, I would now know how to give directions in English and not much more. And I'm sure that there are more people like me, so does that make us stupid?
And I find myself rather smart actually, tho I may look stupid to you because I don't use big words and make spelling mistakes.
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Phil
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 17 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1881 |
Posted: September 12 2006 at 12:24 | ||
The trouble with Spell Check is, unless you're careful you get American English instead of "proper" English as spoken by the Queen.
How about a Slade spell checker......"Cum on feel the noize"!!!
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Fassbinder
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 27 2006 Location: My world Status: Offline Points: 3497 |
Posted: September 11 2006 at 10:14 | ||
Thanks.
Well, I wonder now, why such a clip as "ortho" (for orthographical error) isn't in use?
Edit: probably, in order to avoid confusion with "orthodox"-related terms... Edited by Fassbinder - September 11 2006 at 10:17 |
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Padraic
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
Posted: September 11 2006 at 07:42 | ||
Typographical error. |
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KoS
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 17 2005 Location: Los Angeles Status: Offline Points: 16310 |
Posted: September 11 2006 at 01:06 | ||
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VanderGraafKommandöh
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: September 11 2006 at 01:00 | ||
Well my English teacher used to always go on about the word "finite", when remembering the word "definite" and it's always stuck in my head. Having said that, I could speel "definite" correctly before he ever taught me English.
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heyitsthatguy
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 17 2006 Location: Washington Hgts Status: Offline Points: 10094 |
Posted: September 10 2006 at 11:57 | ||
Way? |
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Fassbinder
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 27 2006 Location: My world Status: Offline Points: 3497 |
Posted: September 10 2006 at 11:53 | ||
Once again, Peter, you're absolutely right !
Still, there is a problem there. When I was in school, I don't remember myself making orthographical mistakes. I'm sure it was because the vast exposure to the books in earlier years (as well as the continuation of reading). Nowadays I begin to feel some uncertaincies in difficult cases in the language, but still, the percentage of mistakes is very low (I hope so...). Of course, I'm speaking of my native language. The problem is that now there are many recently (re)-edited books with enormous number of both typos (by the way, what is the formal English word for "typo"?) and orthographical mistakes, caused by the lack of education of I don't know whom. It means that: a) in order to find a trustful source for the normal language one needs to read only the books edited about 50-25 years ago, not more recent ones; and b) whether you want or you don't, you buy books, and hence you're exposed to this awful text full of mistakes...
And, back to the question from my first post: seriously, what is the reason that many people write "definately"? It is strange, because they as if derive this word from "defination", where the problematic(?) syllable is stressed... Why just this word? Why just this way?..
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Leningrad
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 15 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 7991 |
Posted: September 09 2006 at 19:02 | ||
O RLY? m33 2!!!11!!1one!!1!!1eleven!!!1!11!1shift+1!!
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: September 09 2006 at 19:00 | ||
I suport publik edekation
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sleeper
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
Posted: September 09 2006 at 14:22 | ||
Great post Peter, I have thought about this and noticed that in the last 3-4 years my spelling and grammer has improved much (it was much worse, though I would never say that it was dreadfull), but isnt perfect. It just happens that in this time I have greatly reduced the amount of TV I watch due to a loss of interest and hugely increased the amount of books that I read. However I do text in "txt" speak but I find that to require more concentration than normal writing (I only do it to save time, and I refuse to use numbers!), probably as a result. I also enjoy playing computer games of many different genres so I think being balanced between all these different mediums is a good thing. |
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bhikkhu
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 06 2006 Location: A² Michigan Status: Offline Points: 5109 |
Posted: September 09 2006 at 14:15 | ||
It took me a while to realize that I had spell check in my browser. In defense, I am relatively new to online communication.
Even though I am guilty of making errors, it bothers me too. I try to correct them as much as possible. After my promotion, I went back through all of my reviews. I guess I am a little anal about it as well. |
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Angelo
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
Posted: September 09 2006 at 13:27 | ||
Hey, the development version (0.9.8) of SpellBound does install, but it doesn't work with the spelling button of the editor. Right click does the trick...
It doesn't like the title of this thread one bit though |
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ISKC Rock Radio
I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
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Falling Flower
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 14 2006 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 1079 |
Posted: September 09 2006 at 12:34 | ||
I soooo type like that sometimes
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Angelo
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
Posted: September 09 2006 at 12:32 | ||
Not really stupid, but a bit worse than perfect.
Apart from that, it seems that Spellbound 0.7.3. as suggested by the editor refuses to install on my firefox 1.5.0.6 (saying it is only compatible with 1.0+ )... |
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ISKC Rock Radio
I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
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Peter
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
Posted: September 09 2006 at 12:30 | ||
^ And thank you, GeckO!
I'll try to see that some of the stuff you read here will be of a reasonably high quality -- at least in terms of "mechanics,' if not content!
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Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: September 09 2006 at 12:19 | ||
Peter, I would normally have just said "Peter: ", but felt that was a cop-out, so I thought I'd write a full sentence.
I thoroughly agree with your words. I always try and write/type as correctly as possible in ALL situations - whether it be writing notes, chatting to someone on a chat-client, or texting on my mobile 'phone - as I feel if I write/type in other fashions, I will lose the art of being able to write properly and this is most definitely a skill I do not wish to lose. I really do not do enough reading, but then again, I do not watch much television either, but I do read websites and post in the forum, so even though I'm not reading an actual book, I believe I am still reading enough to get by for now. You have said what I wanted to say, but in much better words. Thank you! |
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Peter
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
Posted: September 09 2006 at 12:00 | ||
It has been found that the brain is more active when you sleep (when sleeping, the brain is busy filing some of the day's input from your short-term memory into your long-term memory, discarding data that won't be needed, dreaming, etc.), than when you watch TV.
On TV, everything is already done for you -- you just passively "receive." When you read, however -- whether it's Jackie Collins, Stephen King, Dickens, or Shakespeare -- your brain is very active, and working hard to come up with mental images to accompany the text-- which you have to decode. Even if you're reading stuff with pictures (Archie comics, a motorcycle mag, fashion mag, whatever), you are still being exposed to (generally) proper spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc. Whether you are aware of it or not, you are thus becoming a better writer every time you read, and also expanding your vocabulary.
Reading, in short, is simply very good for the brain, and very good for your language skills.
The hurried/lazy "who cares about spelling and grammar" approach to writing on forums and in chat rooms (where most of today's youth do the vast majority of their writing) starts to affect how you write in other, more important places (school, work, etc.) where spelling and grammar, etc., really matter. After seeing or writing it online a hundred times, you start to believe that "alot" is a word, that "the" is spelled "teh," that "u" and "pwnd" are words, and that written language conventions just don't really matter. Used to tossing out knee-jerk, glib, one line responses as quickly as you can type, I also believe you start to lose the ability to converse on a deeper, more careful level. When you don't read much properly-written or challenging stuff, you get a stunted vocabulary, and with limited vocabulary comes limited thinking/problem-solving abilities, and overall poorer communication skills. Poor communication abilities will negatively affect all of your relationships: marital, personal, work, etc.
I work in the field of literacy and academic upgrading: all of your academic work follows from reading -- it is the essential prerequisite, the "keystone" and foundation for almost all else you do academically. You say you prefer math, science, technology, etc? Well, guess what? Your math and science texts, shop manuals, etc, will be full of words, you'll have to write reports in those fields -- with words -- you'll have to comprehend math word problems, instructors will use words to explain concepts and give assignments, and your boss at work will also use words to communicate his or her expectations.
Staff meetings will revolve around communication, and good communicators get noticed (and hired in the first place)!
Reading, writing and speaking skills are arguably more important than ever, so do yourself a favour: buy a dictionary, and read a book today. You'll be entertained, and all sorts of beneficial things, that will impact upon your life in a big and meaningful way, will occur -- and all without you really noticing it is happening. (Of course, depending on what you read, you may learn something about your world, too!)
Finally, I am not a "snob" or "anal" about spelling. We all (me too) make mistakes and typos, but consistently very poor, lazy spelling, etc, does create a negative impression on many people. To pretend otherwise is mere wishful thinking and self justification, I believe (much like saying, despite mounting solid scientific evidence -- such as the recent findings of the British Antarctic Survey from trapped air analysis of 800,000 years of ice cores -- that today's rapid global warming and unprecedented levels of CO2 are a "natural" phenomenon, over which our lifestyles have no impact).
I take care with spelling (etc.) here because that is the way I have been taught -- it comes naturally to me, and I cannot just switch it off. Putting mistakes out there under my name, for the "world' to read, simply embarrasses me. (I teach that stuff!)
Read a book -- please! Edited by Peter Rideout - September 09 2006 at 16:45 |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: September 09 2006 at 11:15 | ||
Datz liek t0t@lly w0h!
Word. |
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