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Jim Garten
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 07:37 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
Yes, the "edit" button is there, Spell Check is easy to use, etc. (I am thinking of those whose first language is English, of course.) To me, not even bothering to try to get it right (or at least edit a bit) is being disrespectful to yourself, and to your readers & fellow music fans. Do you care about how you are perceived? (If you don't think how you write affects the reader's perception of you, you are wrong.) We communicate with text here, and there are rules and conventions to facilitate better communication via text. (Really, why write lots, if you write very poorly?) |
OK Professor, admit it - exactly how many times did you check your spelling before hitting the "Post New Poll" button, eh?
I'm a fairly accurate typist (the proud holder of a Pitmans intermediate certificate, I'll have you know), so my occasionally poor spelling cannot be blamed on the same disability my dear Canadian sausage-fingered buddy suffers from, but I do my best to check spelling, grammar and punctuation before hitting that "Post Reply" button. If I see a glaring error, I edit; if I dont spot an error, you can guarantee some smart-arse on the forum will make me aware of said error.
Call me an old fashioned grumpy-pants if you will, but I believe spelling, punctuation and grammar are important (even if I do frequently fall down on all three ) - even when I use my mobile phone to text, the same rules apply; I refuse to use text-ese ("CU L8er M8" etc).
There are way too many death metal singers out there slaughtering the English language (along with any available virgins, no doubt... or would that be suicide ?) without our allowing the written word to go the same way.
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Tony R
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 07:42 |
Jim Garten wrote:
There are way too many death metal singers out there slaughtering the English language (along with any available virgins, no doubt... or would that be suicide ?) |
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Trotsky
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 07:47 |
C'mon Rideout ... Skweeze Me, Pleeze Me (oddly enough am listening to Slade right now)
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"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.”
"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
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Padraic
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 09:04 |
r u dissin me?
OMG LOL dude u rely need to chil!!!11!
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sleeper
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 15:10 |
I notice that this poll doesnt have a "No" answer. I'm the first to admit that my spelling is below par, and despite the fact that English is the only language that I can speak/ read/ write, I still make mistakes. At least I can say I try to get everything right when posting in the forums (though not so much in the VR).
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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chopper
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 15:46 |
Spell Checkers are all very well but they can't check the grammar of the words what you right.
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The Miracle
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 18:19 |
After all this time on the Internet, I learned to ignore - sometimes very nice people type like that.
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Peter
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 18:24 |
Trotsky wrote:
Common Rideout ... Skewers Me, Peels Me
(oddly enough am listening to Slade right now)
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There -- the handy Google tool bar spell check cleared that up!
(If you install it, you can check your posts here.)
Long thyme know sea, Trots! Good to here from yew again!
Slade?!?! Ha!
SLADE <- green slade
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Peter
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 18:27 |
The Miracle wrote:
After all this time on the Internet, I learned to ignore - sometimes very nice people type like that. |
(Whereas we horrible people spell well....)
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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The Miracle
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 18:38 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
The Miracle wrote:
After all this time on the Internet, I learned to ignore - sometimes very nice people type like that. |
(Whereas we horrible people spell well....) |
There are as many arseholes with good spelling as there are with bad - it'd the message, not the spelling that counts
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Pneubauer
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 18:43 |
I would vote 'No' but it seems that this poll was only created to poke fun at people who screw up their spelling and, therefore, no such answer exists.
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Peter
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 19:02 |
I know that, of course! (I was not equating spelling ability with morality, but referring to the first impression it gives.)
Like it or not, consistently poor spelling (not a mere typo here and there) creates a negative impression in most readers. (Though I think that concern for spelling is diminishing among the young, thanks to the hurried mode of communication on the web, and the seeming decline in reading as a past-time, in favour of computers and TV.)
Imagine a piece of advertising, a resume, or a newspaper that was full of basic spelling errors -- it would hardly lend an air of trustworthiness, attention to detail or credibility to the source!
It's sort of like habitual swearing, manners and dress, I think -- it makes an impression, like it or not.
Edited by Peter Rideout - September 07 2006 at 19:31
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Peter
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 19:05 |
Pneubauer wrote:
I would vote 'No' but it seems that this poll was only created to poke fun at people who screw up their spelling and, therefore, no such answer exists.
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Seems you're on to me, then.
Doh!
Still, you could try the 6th or 7th choice....
Edited by Peter Rideout - September 07 2006 at 19:08
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Peter
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 19:11 |
Oh well -- evryone just spell the way you want to, then.
Spelling rules are a tool of the fascist, castrating oppressors, and serve no useful purpose, anyway.
cya
Edited by Peter Rideout - September 07 2006 at 19:12
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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The Miracle
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 19:30 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
Like it or not, consistently poor spelling (not a mere typo here and there) creates a negative impression in most readers. (Though I think that concern for spelling is diminishing among the young, thanks to the hurried mode of communication on the web, and the seeming decline in reading as a past-time, in favour of computers and TV.) Imagine a piece of advertising, a resume, or a newspaper that was full
of basic spelling errors -- it would hardly lend an air of
trustworthyness, attention to detail or credibility to the source! |
That I totally agree with - at least because I watch my 10 year old sister spend hours in front of TV watching dumb teen comedies that look like they were designed for retards - no thought required and no knowledge or moral to it. Video and PC games are another big concern: I never cared for them at all and that's one of my main difference from my peers who seem to only care for World Of Warcraft. The thing is, bad spelling is usually caused by the hurry people type on IM because otherwise normal conversation speed is impossible. Forums are another story, but many people keep their 'style', even perfect spellers in real life. It also depends on how seriously one takes his presence in a web community - check my really old posts in the MC, you'll see some major capitalization problems So of course it's usually the "n00bs" with the most spelling mistakes. Reading is way old fashioned now, and it saddens
Peter Rideout wrote:
It's sort of like habitual swearing, manners and dress, I think -- it makes an impression, like it or not. |
Sort of... though swearing is culture-wide, age-independent phenomenon, at least here in the US. The f and s words pretty much lost their offensive value thanks to very common use
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 19:51 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
Oh well -- evryone just spell the way you want to, then.
Spelling rules are a tool of the fascist, castrating oppressors, and serve no useful purpose, anyway.
cya |
Tsk tsk, Peter, even after editing, you still get it wrong!
Or was that irony?
Anyhow, I agree with you Peter. I strive in correct spelling and grammar as much as possible, but I also slip up myself and it frustrates me when I do. I type quite fast and I often miss words out, because I can think faster than I can type.
I happen to make a few continuous errors. One of these errors, includes writing the word "that" instead of "than". I know that it should be "than", but my fingers type "that". It's very annoying!
Very occasionally I spell a word incorrectly and this is either due to bad memory, or due to tiredness, but if I spot the said spelling error n time, I will make a quick edit after clicking that "Post Reply" button.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 19:55 |
The Miracle wrote:
Reading is way old fashioned now, and it saddens |
That's another gripe of mine; the use of cool words like "way". There is no need for "way" in that sentence. However, it could be worse: Man, reading is like totally way old fashioned!
Edited by Geck0 - September 07 2006 at 19:55
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The Miracle
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 20:03 |
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Leningrad
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 21:13 |
R U SAYNG TAHT PEOPLE TAHT TYPE LIEK THES R STUPID?!??!! OMG WTF LOL I DONT AGRE WIT TAHT AT AL!1111 OMG
But really, I've grown to hate people that type like that on a regular basis. It's really hard to have a decent conversation on MSN, because after I say "How's it going?", they reply "i m gr8 hw r u???"
It's not cool to be smart anymore.
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Trotsky
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 02:10 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
Trotsky wrote:
Common Rideout ... Skewers Me, Peels Me
(oddly enough am listening to Slade right now)
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There -- the handy Google tool bar spell check cleared that up!
(If you install it, you can check your posts here.)
Long thyme know sea, Trots! Good to here from yew again!
Slade?!?! Ha!
SLADE <- green slade |
Bak @ yer, mi deer fella
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"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.”
"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
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