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Arrrghus 
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 Posted: August 29 2006 at 18:22 |
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Wild time signatures are cool... sometimes fun to play, but it can also be f**king hard to play.
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 18:21 |
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^playing in a weird key is just a matter of writing a song in C, then moving your hand up the fretboard.
EG. Write in C, move up a whole step, voila! you wrote a song in D!
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 15:42 |
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You guys are all too simple. check out some of John McLaughlin`s stuff in 11/8 in wierd keys.
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: August 28 2006 at 21:45 |
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My mistake, just hard to read through all the text when you mention a band and then make a general statement.
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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Hierophant
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Posted: August 28 2006 at 19:20 |
 OpethGuitarist wrote:
Hierophant wrote:
Most of what I heard from Meshuggah is in 4/4 with way over the top syncopation
One thing I can't stand is bands using time signatures with little or no melodic development and just tastelessly pounding out the time signature almost as if to say "hey look we're playing in 7/8!", anyone can add or take away an eighth note or two, the real skill comes in actually feeling the time signature and playing comfortably. The musical phrasings should dictate what type of rhythms should be used, not the other way around - it's no wonder that many bands wind up sounding like droning machines rather than actually conveying musical ideas. I'm not refering to any band in particular here, but it seems to be like some sort of trend - to grind out those weird time signatures without the music to back it up.
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If you are referring to Meshuggah with that statement, I'd like to ask since when has Meshuggah been about melody.
Meshuggah is a band not concerned with melody. The lack of melody is the cornersone for their intriguing sound.
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Fusionman
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Posted: August 28 2006 at 18:13 |
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memowakeman
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Posted: August 28 2006 at 16:35 |
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Pretty nice list... 
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: August 28 2006 at 16:00 |
Hierophant wrote:
Most of what I heard from Meshuggah is in 4/4 with way over the top syncopation
One thing I can't stand is bands using time signatures with little or no melodic development and just tastelessly pounding out the time signature almost as if to say "hey look we're playing in 7/8!", anyone can add or take away an eighth note or two, the real skill comes in actually feeling the time signature and playing comfortably. The musical phrasings should dictate what type of rhythms should be used, not the other way around - it's no wonder that many bands wind up sounding like droning machines rather than actually conveying musical ideas. I'm not refering to any band in particular here, but it seems to be like some sort of trend - to grind out those weird time signatures without the music to back it up.
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If you are referring to Meshuggah with that statement, I'd like to ask since when has Meshuggah been about melody. Meshuggah is a band not concerned with melody. The lack of melody is the cornersone for their intriguing sound.
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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Asyte2c00
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Posted: August 28 2006 at 15:20 |
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CandyAppleRed
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Posted: August 28 2006 at 15:17 |
The only sheet music I ever saw for Apocalypse in 9/8 said 9/4 
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: August 28 2006 at 14:24 |
Hierophant wrote:
Most of what I heard from Meshuggah is in 4/4 with way over the top syncopation
One thing I can't stand is bands using time signatures with little or no melodic development and just tastelessly pounding out the time signature almost as if to say "hey look we're playing in 7/8!", anyone can add or take away an eighth note or two, the real skill comes in actually feeling the time signature and playing comfortably. The musical phrasings should dictate what type of rhythms should be used, not the other way around - it's no wonder that many bands wind up sounding like droning machines rather than actually conveying musical ideas. I'm not refering to any band in particular here, but it seems to be like some sort of trend - to grind out those weird time signatures without the music to back it up.
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Yea. Meshuggah likes to do wild polyrhythms over 4/4. Like 5 mesures of 23/8 and 1 measure of 13/8 over 16 measures of 4/4.
I also agree with your second statement, but I don't notice that poor of a use of odd times often...zt least in the stuff I listen to.
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: August 28 2006 at 14:20 |
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The weirder the time sig, the more prog
I'm kidding of course, but I really love a good time signature change every once in a while. It's more difficult to pull off successfully than a key signature change, and it shows that the musicians have a the ablilty to handle music outside the scope of 4 or 3 (you'd be surprised at how many 'musicians' cannot for the life of them think in odd times)
Edit: You want strange time sigs, something incomprehensible? Try anything by The Mahavishnu Orchestra. Melodies in x/16 and the like.
On another forum we talked about which song contained the most time signature changes, and we decided that 'Dance of Eternity' by Dream Theater is the reigning champ, although I forget the exact figures.
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Indeed. I won't type out the whole thing, but it uses these times: 4/4, 7/8, 3/4, 6/8, 13/16, 15/16, 17/16, 14/16, 5/4, 2/4, 5/8, 11/4, 7/16, 6/16, 5/16, 10/16, 9/8, 15/8, and a couple others that I thought were kind of extranneous. These of course are used sporadiccaly throughout the piece. I know some of those can be simplified and all that, but it's how they are implimented that make the difference.
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Hierophant
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Posted: August 28 2006 at 12:52 |
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Most of what I heard from Meshuggah is in 4/4 with way over the top syncopation
One thing I can't stand is bands using time signatures with little or no melodic development and just tastelessly pounding out the time signature almost as if to say "hey look we're playing in 7/8!", anyone can add or take away an eighth note or two, the real skill comes in actually feeling the time signature and playing comfortably. The musical phrasings should dictate what type of rhythms should be used, not the other way around - it's no wonder that many bands wind up sounding like droning machines rather than actually conveying musical ideas. I'm not refering to any band in particular here, but it seems to be like some sort of trend - to grind out those weird time signatures without the music to back it up.
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Deadwing12
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Posted: August 27 2006 at 21:42 |
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The weirder the time sig, the more prog
I'm kidding of course, but I really love a good time signature change every once in a while. It's more difficult to pull off successfully than a key signature change, and it shows that the musicians have a the ablilty to handle music outside the scope of 4 or 3 (you'd be surprised at how many 'musicians' cannot for the life of them think in odd times)
Edit: You want strange time sigs, something incomprehensible? Try anything by The Mahavishnu Orchestra. Melodies in x/16 and the like.
On another forum we talked about which song contained the most time signature changes, and we decided that 'Dance of Eternity' by Dream Theater is the reigning champ, although I forget the exact figures.
Edited by Deadwing12 - August 27 2006 at 21:44
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EssentialFaris
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Posted: August 27 2006 at 19:51 |
earlier caravan makes great use of odd times, most of the time you can't even tell, i like that.
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goose
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Posted: August 27 2006 at 16:34 |
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: August 27 2006 at 14:31 |
I love odd time sigs and the sort. I always look for them in music.
Meshuggah is wild, but I think they are a bit too relentless and often uninteresting. I do enjoy them periodically. Other bands who implicate them well are Dream Theater and Pain of Salvation, who have surprisingly not been yet mentioned. There's plenty of great examples though.
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: August 27 2006 at 11:59 |
goose wrote:
OpethGuitarist wrote:
lol if you want crazy time signatures and ryhthm patterns to put your head in a spinlisten to Meshuggah- Ior Future Breed Machine is another good choicebasically they make Genesis look like fools when it comes to time signatures, actually they pretty much make everyone look like fools in that regard.
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Or they make themselves look like fools because they spent so long working on time signatures that they forgot to make it interesting? I'll leave that up to you  |
O rrry? I find them very interesting, but of course, its not for everyone.
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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Abstrakt
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Posted: August 27 2006 at 11:49 |
The Middle Section Of "Keep it Greasey" By Frank Zappa is mind blowing 
It's a bar of 4/4 followed by a bar of 3/16.
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goose
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Posted: August 27 2006 at 11:46 |
OpethGuitarist wrote:
lol if you want crazy time signatures and ryhthm patterns to put your head in a spinlisten to Meshuggah- Ior Future Breed Machine is another good choicebasically they make Genesis look like fools when it comes to time signatures, actually they pretty much make everyone look like fools in that regard.
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Or they make themselves look like fools because they spent so long working on time signatures that they forgot to make it interesting? I'll leave that up to you
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