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    Posted: May 09 2006 at 21:14
   I've been pushing this band's barrow for some time now and with KC being so popular in general I remain surprised that so few seem to know them or seem interested. Sure, I understand that some Frippofiles may never be able to embrace this band, but here are some reasons why they should be proposed.
  1. They are happening now (check out their website)
  2. They feature at least 5 of the original or early KC members.
  3. They feature material from at least the first 4 groundbreaking KC albums.
  4. They are playing better than ever with maturity, hugely improved chops and todays technology.
  5. They are adding newly written material as well as playig other stuff (e.g. from members early solo projects and from the ' McDonald and Giles' releases).
  6. Jakko Jakszyk does an admirable job on guitar and vocals and is a very skilled musician whose talents seemlessly ease into the band.
  7. Their integrity as eminent prog/jazz/session players cannot be questioned
  8. 'McDonald and Giles' are also in the Archives.
  9. They have at least 2 excellent releases in the DVD' Live in Japan' and the CD 'Pictures of a City- Live in NY'
 
  The only negatives I can think of are, of course, no Fripp and they are ,in essence , a reunion band of unfashionably old geezers. So, come on people, try to get into them and don't descriminate. Let's add them to the Archives.
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  Has no-one got anything to say about this band,positive or negative?
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I haven't heard much of their stuff, but I've liked what I heard (and yes, it was proggy too). I love Fripp, but I'm ok with a sort of Fripp-less Crimson like this. The idea kind of reminds me of The Grandmothers (sort of a reformed early Mothers of Invention), who I also think should be here.
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  TO KINGOFBIZZARE:
  Thanks for your response. It's good that as a Fripp and KC fan you don't have a problem with this band existing alongside KC and Fripp-less . I expect many die-hard KC fans would have some trouble getting passed that.
 
  IMO it's exciting for prog fans in general that this band is making a comeback and that it's happening NOW. What I find astonishing is that so few seem to know about them or seem to care, when the band boasts these legend-like artists back together [albeit without Fripp]. I would have thought it was big news in prog circles, but it seems not.
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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2006 at 03:09
A very good proposal for inclusion! Here's their home pages:
 
 
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  TO EETU PELLONPAA:
   Thank you for your endorsement. My computer skills [or lack thereof] do not extend to posting other sites for peoples benefit , but i'm working on it.
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I sure hope they get included. As the current (?) King Crimson line-up doesn't play their old stuff, this band nicely fills the void!
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I have their so-called "Official Bootleg Volume One" (track-list: 1. A Man A City, 2. Catfood, 3. In The Court Of The Crimson King, 4. Formentara (sic!) Lady, 5. Ladies Of The Road, 6. I Talk To The Wind, 7. 21st Century Schizoid Man). Just an excellent album, in my opinion.
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I am a little bemused that CJ3 [Crimson Jazz Trio] makes it on to PA, but this band of living prog legends playing legendary material does not. Not that I have anything against CJ3.I love their concept and their playing . I'm just a little surprised ,that's all.

Anyone else have any views?
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Maybe it just takes very long time to be added, as there's a three person team of band additions, and a huge and constantly growing amount of bands to be added (with priorities I quess). I know by experience that it can be difficult, but let's try to be patient! Tongue
 
Maybe by following this procedure would hasten it up: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17363 ?
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I'm afraid I'm one of those daunted ones referred to in the new criteria- not being computer orientated. Hoprfully someone else will pick them up . Thanks for the suggestion.
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    I just did a quick look, and heard some samples. Not bad at all. The only thing is, do they have any originals, or any studio albums? If not, membership aside, aren't they just a notch up from a tribute band?
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At least one of their albums is a studio album, namely, Official Bootleg Volume One. If you are referring to an originality -- I doubt they have in their repertoire non-Crimson songs. But, firstly, Ian McDonald is a writer of some King Crimson songs they play, and secondly, the group called Crimson Jazz Trio is already in PA, also with only KC repertoire.



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Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

At least one of their albums is a studio album, namely, Official Bootleg Volume One. If you are referring to an originality -- I doubt they have in their repertoire non-Crimson songs. But, firstly, Ian McDonald is a writer of some King Crimson songs they play, and secondly, the group called Crimson Jazz Trio is already in PA, also with only KC repertoire.



From my perspective, Crimson Jazz Trio has completely reinterpreted the songs. They are jazz instrumentals. However, I will look into it some more.
    
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    Did some checking. The consensus seems to be that they only qualify as a tribute band. If they do some originals, things may change. Keep watching.
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Points: 19535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 04 2006 at 22:23
Sorry to be the bad guy, but I must disagree.
 
This is a site for Prog artists who are creating music not for tribute bands, if we add them, why not The Musical Box? They not only play but recreate the Genesis concerts, and Hackett has performed wiyth them.
 
Then also Supper's Ready, they have legal authorization of Genesis, and whhere will this end, my local pub presents bands that play covers of different icons.
 
I believe an artist has to create something, not only perform what others have done to be considered here.
 
Hey, why not the Magna Carta Staff very generic? They made tributes to Genesis, Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, King Criomson, etc. One of the main characteristics of Prog is originality, if the music is not original because somebody has played something similar before, at least all the bands need to have original material.
 
I honestly have more than douts about The Crimson Jazz Trio, but it's already done, 21st Century Schizoid Band has done nothing original and worthy to be included here IMHO.
 
If a mistake has been commited, this is not an excuse to make another one even when Crimson Jazz Trio at least has re-created the music, but still I believe they shouldn't be here.
 
There's already a King Crimson and this guys only recreate their material, if they release new material I believe they would be welcomed depending if what they do is Prog or not, but until then, my personal opinion is no.
 
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     It's pleasing that this band is starting to generate some interest in at least one forum.

     Yes, the live recordings to date only include a couple of recent originals. There's a Mel Collins tune and one of Jakko's songs. Remember though they also do some 'McDonald and Giles' tunes and possibly an Ian McDonald original or two as well.

    I'm not sure how a 'tribute band' is defined. Some would argue that this band has become THE band . In this case ,as I understand it ,4 out of 5 have been members of the early KC including at least one original member. The band has included three of the members of 'McDonald an Giles'. So, I pose the question, exactly to whom should any tribute be paid?

    In any event, I did read that they have been writing some new original material to be released at some future time.

        [Please note I say 'some new original material' because I dare say at least 2 or 3 of them may have had a hand in writing some of the KC material they now play. If I am right about that, it tends to deflate the 'tribute band' argument even further,imo].
    
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Originally posted by mrgd mrgd wrote:

      It's pleasing that this band is starting to generate some interest in at least one forum.

     Yes, the live recordings to date only include a couple of recent originals. There's a Mel Collins tune and one of Jakko's songs. Remember though they also do some 'McDonald and Giles' tunes and possibly an Ian McDonald original or two as well.

    I'm not sure how a 'tribute band' is defined. Some would argue that this band has become THE band . In this case ,as I understand it ,4 out of 5 have been members of the early KC including at least one original member. The band has included three of the members of 'McDonald an Giles'. So, I pose the question, exactly to whom should any tribute be paid?

    In any event, I did read that they have been writing some new original material to be released at some future time.

        [Please note I say 'some new original material' because I dare say at least 2 or 3 of them may have had a hand in writing some of the KC material they now play. If I am right about that, it tends to deflate the 'tribute band' argument even further,imo].
    


The fact that those guys composed some of the music is not in dispute. But the act is really no different than what a tribute does. Plus, there is a King Crimson still around. Remember when the Beach Boys had two acts touring? Would it have been warranted to see them as two unique bands? I think you see my point.

If they do become more, then we can take another look. As I said, keep watching.
    
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Originally posted by mrgd mrgd wrote:

     It's pleasing that this band is starting to generate some interest in at least one forum.
 
Yes, they are good as The Musical Box ( http://www.themusicalbox.net/ ) this is thecloser I can get to a Genesis 70's concert, both cases are identical.

     Yes, the live recordings to date only include a couple of recent originals. There's a Mel Collins tune and one of Jakko's songs. Remember though they also do some 'McDonald and Giles' tunes and possibly an Ian McDonald original or two as well.
 
Let them release an album with original stuff.

    I'm not sure how a 'tribute band' is defined.
 
A band that plays exclusively material ppreviously released by another band, not trying to make something different, but to recreate the concerts and albums of the original band.
 
Some would argue that this band has become THE band .
 
Ther's no King Crimson without Robert Fripp as there's no Jethro Tull without Ian Anderson.
 
In this case ,as I understand it ,4 out of 5 have been members of the early KC including at least one original member. The band has included three of the members of 'McDonald an Giles'. So, I pose the question, exactly to whom should any tribute be paid?
 
Well, they have to pay royalties for released albums as Roger Waters has to pay royalties to Pink Floyd.

    In any event, I did read that they have been writing some new original material to be released at some future time.
 
Lets wait untuil then.

        [Please note I say 'some new original material' because I dare say at least 2 or 3 of them may have had a hand in writing some of the KC material they now play. If I am right about that, it tends to deflate the 'tribute band' argument even further,imo].
 
King Crimson exists now, King Crimson is releasing albums, the name King Crimson is property of Mr. Robert Fripp, ergo, they are simply a tribute band playing King Crimson's old music.
 
Of course it's only my opinion and I may be wrong.
 
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