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Mumakil ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: August 02 2005 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 27 |
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Being a progger in Brazil back in the 70's/80's was a though task: I remember that my first prog listen was Genesis' "Mama" back in the 80's... from then until the internet era, me and my fellow Brazilian proggers struggled through record stores trying to find some prog, and all we could get were scattered albums and completely out of order releases: for instance, Rush's "Grace Under Pressure" was released here 2 years after "Power Windows", we had Marillion's "Fugazi" and "Misplaced Childhood" long before "Script for a Jester's Tear", and so on. We needed to rely on some rich people that could travel abroad to bring us some good prog, and we lived in a place where there was no 'prog-scene' (not even a Rock'n'Roll scene existed)... No information, no pictures, no shows, nothing... The prog bands were echoes coming from Europe and USA, untouchable... The albums were released without any marketing approach, without enclosures or lyrics, so we have been lost for a good while...
So this is why I love PROGARCHIVES: I can read reviews and be well guided before spending my money in lame albuns, I love this forum, where people discuss about our 'heroes', etc., but I have been searching and couldn't find nothing similar to what I want to request now, so let's 'cut to the chase': Is there a possibility for Progarchives to establish a "REVIEWS FROM THE PAST" area, where our fellow researchers and collectors could post the reviews that were actually written on the newspapers and magazines at the time of the release of the greatest prog albums? I'm asking this because some (maybe most, please correct me if I'm wrong) of the reviews here are written by people who weren't even born at the time of the release, or were written nowadays, for instance: If I write a review of Genesis' "Foxtrot" today, I already know that they did "Selling England" and "The Lamb" afterwards, then Peter left the band, they stayed prog for a few more albuns before succumbing to the 80's pop music. So this review will be full of pre-concepts that could impair the real experience. On the other hand, when people write about "Octavarium", I know that the review was written with the full context, as the band is still alive and we do not know where they will go next. Well, I think I made my point and I want to hear your feedback, for which I thank in advance. regards, Mumakil |
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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Obvious problems:
1. Copyright
2. Somebody or persons having to find the time to research and then copy those reviews here.
3. Space
As I demonstrated a couple of days ago, for the debate about the appearance of the terms 'prog' 'prog rock' 'progressive rock', it doesn't take much effort doing a websearch and find reviews from music magazines already on the web. They are there for Jethro Tull (dating back to 1968), and Genesis, in fact the only one's I searched for at the time and both came up trumps.
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I REALLY like the idea of this. Many of us (*well, not me but some others) have saved or collected old reviews and they are interesting. Let's do it!
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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I actually really like this idea too. Awhile ago I went on a personal search to find such reviews but came up rather empty handed. Would be a great addition to the archives I think though.
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I've found the too Dick, it's not impossible. I think the advantage would be having them in a central repository location. Makes it easier to peruse.
I'm not sure if copyright is an issue, as long as we give the complete information (publication, date, author, etc.) Since we're not making money on the information, simple bibliogrpahical notation should suffice. Writing reviews takes just as much or more time so I think that those of us with the inclinations would drop a few items in the box now and then. As far as space is concerned, I don't know. I do know that I would be equally (if not more) interested in those reviews compared to the ones written by members. I don't often find them useful as they are so often cheerleading exercises or total bitch fests. They might also come in handy for settling questions of fact from time to time. Edited by composer - August 18 2006 at 13:52 |
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Atkingani ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: October 21 2005 Location: Terra Brasilis Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
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Nice idea, Mumakil... but I'd like to ask where do (did) you live in Brazil? or better: Onde você se escondia, mano?
![]() I lived all the time in Rio de Janeiro and I got at least in the 70s the later Genesis, Yes, Floyd, JT, EL&P, etc, releases with only months of difference. Well it happened after 1973, but all previous stuff by those bands and others were released then and produced in Brazil, meaning the price was fair. I'm pretty sure all people living in the State capitals and other big cities had the same facility that I had, unless you come from Manicoré, Iguatama or Onde-Judas-Perdeu-As-Botas.
However, the situation in the 80s could have changed when CDs appeared. But I never felt too much difficulty to find new releases from the great bands. ![]() Edited by Atkingani - August 18 2006 at 14:12 |
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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It would be great to read them again, that's for sure. I wish I had kept my copies of Melody Maker, NME, Sounds etc. from the 70's.
We do need to watch for copyright issues, even for that long ago.
If anyone has any suggestions how we could implement such a facility legally and without too much effort, we'd be interested to hear them.
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andrea ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 20 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 2073 |
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Here you have some old "Italian prog" reviews from the past (in Italian - from the musical magazine "Ciao 2001")...
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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I have some Sounds, Melody Makers and Musical Expresses I bought in the late Seventies and early Eighties when Marillion became famous, including some interviews with Fish. I have also Dutch music magazines from the Seventies with reviews from ELP, Genesis, King Crimson, Pink Floyd and Yes. If this thread leads to something constructive I will translate some for this site or deliver parts of the UK music papers.
By the way, I agree with Dick about the copyright but we have Ivan, our (in)famous proghead lawyer ![]() Edited by erik neuteboom - August 18 2006 at 14:17 |
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Mumakil ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: August 02 2005 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 27 |
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Hi, Atkingani, Yeah, maybe I wrongly generalised the Brazilian situation as a whole, forgetting that Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo were always 20 years ahead the rest of the country. I lived in Curitiba, Parana, but our city in the 70's/80's was not even close to what it is today, we could get nothing!!!! There was only one store named 'Savarin' that sold rock/prog albums, but the distribution was terrible, I remember waiting months to get a requested album that my cousins in Rio already got sick of listening to! So these 'Rio cousins' were my real source to good music, I used to visit them very often. You may not believe, but even Globo's soap-operas (novelas) were screened with months of delay back then! Thanks God (or the internet) that things have now changed for better, and even living on a smaller city (Paranagua), I can get anything I want. Many thanks for everyone for the support! Edited by Mumakil - August 18 2006 at 14:31 |
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Atkingani ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: October 21 2005 Location: Terra Brasilis Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
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OK, Mumakil...
![]() I believe you could find some material in Portuguese done in the 70s in the following magazines: Status, Ele & Ela, Pop, Senhor - the 2 first also with other "gifts" besides the reviews.
![]() Well, we could find a space for publishing from times to times and old review to please us all. But this idea shall be discussed yet.
BTW, Curitiba is a fascinating city!!!
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
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If you go to the band websites the very best have reviews from the era,for example the official Genesis site contains links to origianl music paper reviews:
http://www.genesis-music.com/Archivephase1a.htm on page 2: 'Trespass' album released on Charisma Records. Read reviews of 'Trespass' and the second single, 'The Knife' http://www.genesis-music.com/trespassreviews.htmthere are links like this for every subsequent album... Edited by Tony R - August 18 2006 at 17:16 |
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