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MikeEnRegalia 
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 Posted: August 10 2006 at 13:23 |
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as he can't connect the computer to the stereo, I think he still needs a standalone recorder?
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Posted: August 10 2006 at 16:59 |
Indeed - those are the two options.
An extension of the computer option might be to buy a small profile PC - doesn't have to be high spec, so a cheap second-hand one would do - and plumb it into the HiFi.
Of course, it would need a reasonable soundcard and a good CD burner - but for the price, you might as well get a standalone unit, unless pop-removal was a high priority for you.
I must say that I've never had issues with CD-rs skipping - even when burned at 52x - maybe that's because I always get the best quality CDs I can 
The speed of burning, unlike tape, has no effect whatsoever on the sound quality - you are simply putting digital data onto a disc, not speeding up (and hence compressing) an analogue audio stream.
After a little thought it occurred to me that when burning faster, it's possible that the laser gets enthusiastic and burns too much (or possibly too little) of the material it's supposed to burn (I forget what it is), in creating each pit (or whatever the resulting holes are called) and so could make life difficult for some consumer CD players to read - because if the reader can't do the error correction properly, then it will simply skip over it until it can find data that it can read.
Edited by Certif1ed - August 10 2006 at 17:33
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Posted: August 11 2006 at 04:08 |
Captain Beyond,
There is an entry stand alone stereo CD burner from Phillips going for some 250.00 €, but it is not the hi-fi format (more like the midi format - around 35 cm-wide) , and I have two friends who have this model and think it is perfect. it has optical link capacity, digtal dual input and analog dual input.
If you value your stereo system (you seem to have the same weak link of the stereo chain as I do >>> an average turtable, but the rest sound fine), this Stand alone Phillips unit is hardly a huge investment and will allow you to copy Cds, CD-rs CD-RW copy vinyls or even cassettes or live recordings (I think) directly.
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Posted: August 11 2006 at 10:03 |
Sean Trane,
Thanks for the good word. Ah, I think what you recommend might be more my speed, at this point. DO you know the model number? Also, what will be the major shortcomings of it not being the hi-fi format?
Thanks Again
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Posted: August 11 2006 at 10:30 |
GREAT TOPIC
As a large portion of my music collection is vinyl I have letely been thinking of burning some to CD but have lacked the time (and energy) to figure out the best way to do it. I have printed this thread and look forward to trying to burn some music to CD.
It hasn't been a problem to date because my car is old and has a cassette deck in it. I have a very nice cassette recorder hooked to my stereo and use that to make tapes for driving. I am in the market for a new car and getting a tape deck in it is not an option, I will have to go to CD. I will not carry the expense to buy CD's of my favourite music, not when I have perfectly good vinyl LP's.
Thanks captain for asking the question.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 13:23 |
 captainbeyond wrote:
Sean Trane,
Thanks for the good word. Ah, I think what you recommend might be more my speed, at this point. DO you know the model number? Also, what will be the major shortcomings of it not being the hi-fi format?
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My friend's stereo burner is a phillips entry model, I'll phone them up to see what the model number it is
It is exactly the same inside machine as the more expensive ones except for the options, and I'm pretty sure they only fit it in a smaller . So in the case of this small stereo burner, my educated guess is that only the size of the element makes the difference, in case the users have MiDi stereo and want to have the burner MiDi in a rack.
MiDi is for mid-dimension instead odf mini-stereo chain and micro-stereo chains
My reasonning on this is that they would simply never design a machine fom scratch to put it only on a basic model.>>>just not worth it
Same with Cd players >>> the mechanics and the lazer is usually the same for many different brands ( Phillips - and maybe Sony - have it manufactured for all of the other brands since they own the patent) >>> same thing with burners . so all of the other brands have the same two or three model that exist >>> they just buy them and pay the inventors the rights.
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 17:03 |
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The burner's converter musicality is important.
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 18:23 |
oliverstoned wrote:
The burner's converter musicality is important. |
In what way?
It's only recording data.
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Posted: August 12 2006 at 20:55 |
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I have a standalone HiFi Cd Burner as well as my PC Cd writer.
Its a Philips model and records with a minimum of fuss. The CD-R Music blank discs for these players used to be lot more expensice than standard CD-R as they carry some sort of levy which goes to the Performing Rights Assoc.My dad has a similar player (except 2 drawers)and he got 25 blank discs for £5 recently. I use my PC for copying discs these days,purely for convenience.
I have an Arcam CD 72 CD player and I connect to the Philips from this using an optical cable.
Both machines connect to my amp using the same QED cable.My amp is a Nad and my speakers are B&Ws.
I can categorically state that I get a better sound reproduction via my Arcam player than I do via the Philips CD Burner. I am not imagining this
Edited by Tony R - August 12 2006 at 20:57
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 05:50 |
oliverstoned wrote:
The burner's converter musicality is important. |
the output of your CD player is a lot more important and since you use the digital output cables (or the fibre optics) , the converter does not interact . It only does in case of vinyls , which I agree is important too in this particular thread since it is about vinyls
The standalone stereo from Phillips model I was speaking of is called CDR570
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 05:55 |
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You mean you use your player as source and the burner just to record?
The burners i know features two decks: one for reading and one for record (in case of CD duplication).
But any signal input goes through the burner's converter and this one adds its sonic signature.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 06:10 |
Tony R wrote:
I can categorically state that I get a better sound reproduction via my Arcam player than I do via the Philips CD Burner. I am not imagining this
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Sure. Musical CD-Players beautify the signal during D/A conversion ... they basically upsample it from 16bit/44.1khz to 24bit/96khz and smoothen the signal in that process (the gaps are interpolated using sine functions). The resulting signal sounds better, agreed. But my PC soundcard is also capable of doing that, and of course it doesn't matter at all during burning, because the upsampling can only be done during playback. The only piece of circuitry that matters during recording is the A/D conversion ... and in that area HiFi-Burners are superior to cheap PC soundcards. But if you use a Creative X-Fi, several independent tests show that there is no audible difference.
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 06:14 |
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Sure. Philips devices only features poor converters. Arcam is far beyond. Philips produces good mechanics ("CD pro") which are used on high end drives, but no good converters, from what i know.
Edited by oliverstoned - August 13 2006 at 06:28
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 06:17 |
you posted this Denon model which has no reader Olivier, only the recorder!!! Check it out for yourself, there is no tray for the reading part. The Phillips I a talking about comes (as with this one above most likely too) with three possibilities on the back panel:
Analog input (to which of course there is a digitalyser) >> for vinyls, cassettes and others sources (Reel To Reel or live recordings)
Digital input (to which you connect your Cd player (you would be dumb to connect it isthe analog input and take the risk of redigitalising digital)
optical input (for this, you must hace an external deck equipped for this )
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 06:23 |
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Ooops! yes you're right. I use a two deck's Pionner actually.
You're right. Using the analog input, it doesn't goes through the burner's converter. That's what i should use it when i burn CD, using my playback Cd setup would be better. For sure my Sonic Frontiers drive and my Goldmund converter explode any burner.
In this case (recording analog or from an external CD source), your Philips burner may work, as just the mechanic works (and the're all the same cheap ones on burners anyway).
Apologizes to say BS!!
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 12:16 |
oliverstoned wrote:
But any signal input goes through the burner's converter and this one adds its sonic signature.
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A digital signal input doesn't need to go through any converter.
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 09:10 |
oliverstoned wrote:
Indeed, cables need some running-in time, even more with high end cables if it features boxes. Actually everything's needs running-in, even welds needs some time cause there's an alchemy between the different matters.
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..and if you don't do this the elves will let the dragons into your vinyl store 
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 09:18 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Of course, it would need a reasonable soundcard and a good CD burner.
I must say that I've never had issues with CD-rs skipping - even when burned at 52x - maybe that's because I always get the best quality CDs I can. |
Quite right. Some of the "on-board" pc soundcards are pretty poor and you will hear the degradation when you record stuff. There are some good USB cards about which are great for laptops which often have no audio line-in socket. The other advantage of USB is that you don't need to take the computer to bits.
I would always advise burning the CD as slow as you have time to do. It's just logic really; the faster you burn the disc the less time the laser has on each pit and the less accurate it is. Therefore the error rate is higher and the player has to work harder to read the disc. Of course higher quality discs and writers will give better results.
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 09:21 |
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Absolutely, 1X speed is the only good.
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 09:54 |
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Absolutely, 1X speed is the only good. |
I believe that if the CD-R's are OK, and the computer systems and hardware are working fine, there's no trouble with higher speeds. It's ofcourse wise to not have too many processes running at same time on your computer. But I say, stress the iron and find the maximum capacity of your systems!  If there are errors occuring at the burning process or there's errors in the final dics, reduce the speed then.
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