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Originally posted by cscrutinizer cscrutinizer wrote:

The people who run this site are hipocrites. This is the tiny amount of power they have in the world. They are like the pathetic losers at the DMV who just love the little ounce of power they have.

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Here's a review they accepted, and is so great, they put it on the home page:
 
"Dark Side of the Moon- This is obsviously one of the best albums of all time because of its musical content and its sales. This album is a complete masterpiece that leaves nothing to be desired afterwards. It fulfills all of your expectations. This album is a collaboration between the whole band and really expresses all of the band's individual and communal talents. Although in my opinion this album is not Floyd's BEST. I think Wish You Were Here is the BEST. But DSOTM is still a masterpiece. The music is beautiful and creepy at the same time. The band does s great job with the madness theme through some wicked sound effects and that funny but creepy as hell laugh on brain damage and the opening track. Im not going to outline every song like my predecessors have but im here just to contribute my overall opinion and to add yet another 5 star rating to this albums surfeit. This album is a masterpiece and is definately deserving of its place in the top five best prog albums of all time."



Nobody "puts" reviews on the front page. If you haven't figured out yet how reviews appear on the front page ... well sorry John, bertter try it again.

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Stuff like "the music is beautiful and creepy at the same time" is not of any value. My review went into more depth about the music, but because it is critical of the over-rated nature of this album, it was deleted.
 


You didn't say anything about the music except that it sucks. In the second part of the "review" you went completely overboard and used it as a platform to talk about how you see prog (and the world) in general, which is completely off topic.

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Now that I am aware of this, I take the reviews on this site with a grain of salt and a dose of reality. The moderators of this site are blinded by the market share and sales stats of record, and the reputation that an album has amongst the lemmings in the progressive rock community. This is no better than Kasey Casem's Top 40, but since less people are aware of progressive music, there is more of a Dungeons and Dragons quality to their pathetic nature.
 
Thank goodness none of you will ever have any real power in this world. If you can't handle free speech at the level of record reviews, imagine the negative impact you would have on subordinate employees, constituents, or concert attendees.
 
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Originally posted by cscrutinizer cscrutinizer wrote:

(loads of guff...)

Here's a review they accepted, and is so great, they put it on the home page:


No - a review gets on the Home page once it has been submitted. That review clearly talks about and gives an opinion on the album in question. It's not the most eloquent or technically loaded, but it doesn't try or pretend to be.

When someone spots that a review is a load of rubbish, offensive, or not about the album, then it gets reported and dealt with, as has been explained to you.

Originally posted by cscrutinizer cscrutinizer wrote:

Stuff like "the music is beautiful and creepy at the same time" is not of any value.


Yes it is - it's someone's opinion of the music.

Originally posted by cscrutinizer cscrutinizer wrote:


My review went into more depth about the music, but because it is critical of the over-rated nature of this album, it was deleted.


I can categorically back the admins up that reviews are NEVER deleted because they express a negative opinion.

My Dream Theater reviews would never have survived if that was the case!

Originally posted by cscrutinizer cscrutinizer wrote:

The moderators of this site are blinded by the market share and sales stats of record, and the reputation that an album has amongst the lemmings in the progressive rock community.


This site has nothing to do with market shares or sales stats, just people's opinions - that's all.

Sadly I missed your review, but if it was deleted, it must've been either insulting, or not about the album, because that's the way things work here.
    
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Originally posted by cscrutinizer cscrutinizer wrote:

The people who run this site are hipocrites. This is the tiny amount of power they have in the world. They are like the pathetic losers at the DMV who just love the little ounce of power they have.

Here's a review they accepted, and is so great, they put it on the home page:
 
"Dark Side of the Moon- This is obsviously one of the best albums of all time because of its musical content and its sales. This album is a complete masterpiece that leaves nothing to be desired afterwards. It fulfills all of your expectations. This album is a collaboration between the whole band and really expresses all of the band's individual and communal talents. Although in my opinion this album is not Floyd's BEST. I think Wish You Were Here is the BEST. But DSOTM is still a masterpiece. The music is beautiful and creepy at the same time. The band does s great job with the madness theme through some wicked sound effects and that funny but creepy as hell laugh on brain damage and the opening track. Im not going to outline every song like my predecessors have but im here just to contribute my overall opinion and to add yet another 5 star rating to this albums surfeit. This album is a masterpiece and is definately deserving of its place in the top five best prog albums of all time."
 
 
Stuff like "the music is beautiful and creepy at the same time" is not of any value. My review went into more depth about the music, but because it is critical of the over-rated nature of this album, it was deleted.
 
Now that I am aware of this, I take the reviews on this site with a grain of salt and a dose of reality. The moderators of this site are blinded by the market share and sales stats of record, and the reputation that an album has amongst the lemmings in the progressive rock community. This is no better than Kasey Casem's Top 40, but since less people are aware of progressive music, there is more of a Dungeons and Dragons quality to their pathetic nature.
 
Thank goodness none of you will ever have any real power in this world. If you can't handle free speech at the level of record reviews, imagine the negative impact you would have on subordinate employees, constituents, or concert attendees.
 
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I was going to respond, but from looking at your post it's obvious that:

  1. You haven't figured out that the reviews on the home page are the most recent and
  2. That there's a 'report inappropriate reviews' thread, which is where you should have posted this

 



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The people who run this site are hipocrites. This is the tiny amount of power they have in the world. They are like the pathetic losers at the DMV who just love the little ounce of power they have.

Here's a review they accepted, and is so great, they put it on the home page:
 
"Dark Side of the Moon- This is obsviously one of the best albums of all time because of its musical content and its sales. This album is a complete masterpiece that leaves nothing to be desired afterwards. It fulfills all of your expectations. This album is a collaboration between the whole band and really expresses all of the band's individual and communal talents. Although in my opinion this album is not Floyd's BEST. I think Wish You Were Here is the BEST. But DSOTM is still a masterpiece. The music is beautiful and creepy at the same time. The band does s great job with the madness theme through some wicked sound effects and that funny but creepy as hell laugh on brain damage and the opening track. Im not going to outline every song like my predecessors have but im here just to contribute my overall opinion and to add yet another 5 star rating to this albums surfeit. This album is a masterpiece and is definately deserving of its place in the top five best prog albums of all time."
 
 
Stuff like "the music is beautiful and creepy at the same time" is not of any value. My review went into more depth about the music, but because it is critical of the over-rated nature of this album, it was deleted.
 
Now that I am aware of this, I take the reviews on this site with a grain of salt and a dose of reality. The moderators of this site are blinded by the market share and sales stats of record, and the reputation that an album has amongst the lemmings in the progressive rock community. This is no better than Kasey Casem's Top 40, but since less people are aware of progressive music, there is more of a Dungeons and Dragons quality to their pathetic nature.
 
Thank goodness none of you will ever have any real power in this world. If you can't handle free speech at the level of record reviews, imagine the negative impact you would have on subordinate employees, constituents, or concert attendees.
 
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Points: 27956 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 16:54
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by cscrutinizer cscrutinizer wrote:

Wow... I submitted a not so flattering review for Dark Side of the Moon. Nothing offensive, I was just saying it was over-rated and nothing compared to what Yes and Genesis were doing at the time. I made the point that it doesn't matter if this is the best selling record of all time, it's just not interesting.
 

Well, I wrote another review of a different band today. After submitting, it showed a summary of my reviews. I clicked on the DSOTM one, and nothing was there!

 

So I went to the album page, looked it over, and my review was deleted.

 

Wow, so there is censorship going on? Cool, man. Very progressive of you guys.

 

OK, You win! Dark Side of the Moon is the best progressive rock album of all time. It is brilliant. My favorite part is when the woman sings those great R&B vocals. It's like American Idol and so cool. If a record has cool R&B vocals, it must be great. Simon would agree!

 

And BLUES! It's got blues guitar all over the place. How cool is that? Very original. You don't hear the blues represented much AT ALL in rock.

 

YES. That album is so original and one of a kind. Definately the best of progressive rock.

 

OK, I decided I have had enough of submitting reviews here. This is a loaded forum, and it is clear that people love their Stink Floyd a little too much.

 

The only thing of value on this site is the free music, so I can decide for myself if lemming reviewers are accurate, or just going along with the marketplace. The reviews are not really worth anything. They are just lame opinions, mostly from a bunch of nerds who know as much about music as they do about life...


You failed to review the album at all.Re-read it and stop getting angry with the site's administration.Is it really something that you are proud of?

Look we have thousands of reviews and we now need some quality control.

Do you seriously believe that anyone will get anything out of your review other than the distinct feeling that you've some sort of ulterior motive for posting the review? I repeat you did not review the album,you merely made unhelpful,highly subjective,unqualified comparisons with some bands you seem to like more.

Your review was not accepted in this instance-accept that,improve and move on.



     
    
 
 
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2 stars I really love this album,from the ham-fisted keyboards to the twee vocals and from every over-blown piece of orchestration right up to the masterpiece of mirth that is Pirates. Long years in the making,due to ego clashes and arguments about makeup,Elton John being part of the recording process then not and finally producer Pete Waterman being replaced by Little Jimmy Osmond,the band finally got this meisterwerk out into the public consciousness.Once out there it was a smash,spending 16 weeks at Number One in Albania and going Quadruple Platinum in Belize. When one listens to Emerson's Piano Concertos one is immediately reminded of Les Dawson's egregious masterpieces of the early 70's.I can think of no higher praise than that. I find that "The Enemy God Dances With The Black Spirits" fills me with nostalgia,or should that be neuralgia? I'm not sure but I know that Mrs Palmer should have decided against that shiny red kit for young Carl's 6th Birthday.Pirates- what can I say?I nearly walked the plank the first time I heard this 13 minute epic.It sounds like the ungodly product of a demonic union between WS Gilbert and The Village People and is breath-taking in its excrutiating awfulness and willfull over-ambition.There is nothing like a great Prog Rock Album and this is nothing like a great Prog Rock Album

 
 
...ok admittedly very funny but does this actually meet the criteria of an acceptable review?
 
 
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Ok... This is clearly the Dungeons and Dragons small weenie crowd here. I just saw a review of DSOTM on the home page that doesn't deal with the music at all.
 
The review I posted did deal with the music:
 
"Anyone can play the drums, keyboards, guitars, bass lines, etc. to any Pink Floyd song. There is not much that is creative, virtuosic, or even interesting about most of their work. The guitar solos are boring, blues-based rock. Nothing innovative. The keyboards are w**kery."
I am laughing so hard that "w**kery" was censored. That word is even tolerated by the new conservative FCC (oh, and the FCC does not even censor web content, because it is not considered a "broadcast").
 
This site is full of unicorn-humping lame-o's that cannot think for themselves. If someone criticizes their sacred album, they can't deal with it, so they delete it. Very American of you... You have bright future with Fox News...
 
I can't belive the irony of a site that touts progressive rock material, like Frank Zappa, and has such an intolerant level of censorship. Do you even know what that music is about? Do you even think members of Pink Floyd would agree that a "bad" review of their album should be suppressed? Did you get the exact opposite message from their music?!?
 
Oh well... To me this is a case of pathetic nerds who have some minute amount of power in the world, and they choose to wield it in the wrong way. Thank goodness none of you will have any real power in the world.
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

 
I wish you would. If people don't do that, then all albums would be 4-5 stars. People need to give their honest impression of an album, whether they like it or not, because it will create a more diverse landscape where we can tell what albums are really appealing and what albums are utter crap.
 
I assume you don't much Neo, though so it would make too big of an impact anyway. People don't continuously buy albums by bands they find to not appeal to them. But if you can review a Neo album in all honesty, not just say "...Umm...it's not very challenging. It's got keyboards...." I'd still be glad if you did review it.


you definitely do have a point there.  Embarrassed

but it would only work as long as I detail EXACTLY why I don't like the certain album instead of saying "I don't like neo-prog so this album sucks", or "how could anyone give this album 5 stars???"Wink
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

about the subjective/objective thing (off subject), I always consider the mixture of both to be the "perfect recipe". Approve
 
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

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reviews must be objective
 
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If I, or who so eve,r write a review it will be subjective. They are all subjective. Because they are someones opinions. Only an extremely skillfull professional can write an objective review. That is such that one cannot argue. I don't wan't to read objective reviews. I want to read different people's opinions (=subjective).


you're right, objetive wasn't the word i was looking for... but a review should try to look at different sides of the music.  For instance in my reviews I usually have a sentence or two in which I say "you probably won't like this album if you don't like....", etc.  You shouldn't just say "this album was popular and therefore it is bad".  Despite the fact that anyone can contribute, we still do have a pretty high standard for the reviews and i think that's a good thing.  You shouln't have people going around in reviews saying "this album sucks because this band sucks" or whatever.  I don't like neo-prog, so I just don't review neo-prog bands... I don't go giving them all 1 or 2-star reviews.

but again, you're right... a review is essentially an opinion and therefore subjective.
 
I wish you would. If people don't do that, then all albums would be 4-5 stars. People need to give their honest impression of an album, whether they like it or not, because it will create a more diverse landscape where we can tell what albums are really appealing and what albums are utter crap.
 
I assume you don't much Neo, though so it would make too big of an impact anyway. People don't continuously buy albums by bands they find to not appeal to them. But if you can review a Neo album in all honesty, not just say "...Umm...it's not very challenging. It's got keyboards...." I'd still be glad if you did review it.


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I don't have a record of that specific review, so maybe it was Atkingani who deleted it. From what you say though, cscrutinizer  it sounds like your "review" was not really a review of the album at all, but a commentary on its place in history.

Such a commentary is fine if it forms a part of the review, but not if that is the entire extent of the review. The prime objective of a review should be to discuss the content of the album.
 
A couple of reassurances I would give.
- If a review is deleted, A e-mail is always sent to the address given when it was submitted. (If that address turns out to be invalid of course, there is nothing more we can do)
- Reviews are never deleted because of their stance on the album. It is OK not to like an album, even DSOTM!
- Very few reviews are removed
 
Pirkka - I understand your point, but the word subjective is not intended in that literal context. Opinions are of course what we thrive on!
 
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reviews must be objective
 
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If I, or who so eve,r write a review it will be subjective. They are all subjective. Because they are someones opinions. Only an extremely skillfull professional can write an objective review. That is such that one cannot argue. I don't wan't to read objective reviews. I want to read different people's opinions (=subjective).


you're right, objetive wasn't the word i was looking for... but a review should try to look at different sides of the music.  For instance in my reviews I usually have a sentence or two in which I say "you probably won't like this album if you don't like....", etc.  You shouldn't just say "this album was popular and therefore it is bad".  Despite the fact that anyone can contribute, we still do have a pretty high standard for the reviews and i think that's a good thing.  You shouln't have people going around in reviews saying "this album sucks because this band sucks" or whatever.  I don't like neo-prog, so I just don't review neo-prog bands... I don't go giving them all 1 or 2-star reviews.

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Originally posted by cscrutinizer cscrutinizer wrote:

Wow... I submitted a not so flattering review for Dark Side of the Moon. Nothing offensive, I was just saying it was over-rated and nothing compared to what Yes and Genesis were doing at the time. I made the point that it doesn't matter if this is the best selling record of all time, it's just not interesting.
 

Well, I wrote another review of a different band today. After submitting, it showed a summary of my reviews. I clicked on the DSOTM one, and nothing was there!

 

So I went to the album page, looked it over, and my review was deleted.

 

Wow, so there is censorship going on? Cool, man. Very progressive of you guys.

 

OK, You win! Dark Side of the Moon is the best progressive rock album of all time. It is brilliant. My favorite part is when the woman sings those great R&B vocals. It's like American Idol and so cool. If a record has cool R&B vocals, it must be great. Simon would agree!

 

And BLUES! It's got blues guitar all over the place. How cool is that? Very original. You don't hear the blues represented much AT ALL in rock.

 

YES. That album is so original and one of a kind. Definately the best of progressive rock.

 

OK, I decided I have had enough of submitting reviews here. This is a loaded forum, and it is clear that people love their Stink Floyd a little too much.

 

The only thing of value on this site is the free music, so I can decide for myself if lemming reviewers are accurate, or just going along with the marketplace. The reviews are not really worth anything. They are just lame opinions, mostly from a bunch of nerds who know as much about music as they do about life...


You failed to review the album at all.Re-read it and stop getting angry with the site's administration.Is it really something that you are proud of?

Look we have thousands of reviews and we now need some quality control.

Do you seriously believe that anyone will get anything out of your review other than the distinct feeling that you've some sort of ulterior motive for posting the review? I repeat you did not review the album,you merely made unhelpful,highly subjective,unqualified comparisons with some bands you seem to like more.

Your review was not accepted in this instance-accept that,improve and move on.



     
    

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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Guigo, reviews moderator Guigo, reviews moderator wrote:

Even not liking, the reviewer cannot be cynical or a bit disrespectful toward the artist and other reviewers.
 
Also, I agree with Fitz, think how revolutionary were at their time artists like Louis Armstrong, Tom Jobim, Peter Gabriel, etc.
 
I believe that with some edits the DSOTM review may stay - for awhile only the rating is preserved. I'll try to contact the reviewer.


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OK, well if that's your attitude we don't need you here.

I didn't read the review, but if it just read like an angry review of the band Pink Floyd, and not an honest review of the album itself, then chances are it was just deleted.  You have your right to your opinion but the site policy is that reviews must be objective and preferably well thought out... not just the rantings of someone who hates the band.

And coming to the forum to insult the reviewers isn't gonna go well for you either, friend.  Unhappy
 
reviews must be objective
 
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If I, or who so eve,r write a review it will be subjective. They are all subjective. Because they are someones opinions. Only an extremely skillfull professional can write an objective review. That is such that one cannot argue. I don't wan't to read objective reviews. I want to read different people's opinions (=subjective).
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