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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2004 at 19:28
I haven't got a single music-related cloth. I almost picked up a cheap teeshirt in a second hand shop, with "Hot Tuna" printed on it. Just before deciding whether to buy it or not, I realized that it wasn't at all Jorma Kaukonen's old hippie band, but some hotel ad or something, and I didn't want that.

I mostly go for jeans and shirts, preferably bought in second hand shops, to reduce my expenses. Some wearing companies have shirts with flowers and stuff printed on them, and I like those. They're almost 70's. I've got a couple of those.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2004 at 21:53

Please wear whatever you feel comfortable with, I have gone to a Yes concert with formal suit (because I left work too late) and other concerts with jeans or even shorts and tennis if it was in mid summer.

Progressive music is in your mind and soul not in what you wear. You'll be a proghead even in swimming suit.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 00:35
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Please wear whatever you
feel comfortable with, I have gone to a Yes concert
with formal suit (because I left work too late) and
other concerts with jeans or even shorts and tennis if
it was in mid summer.


Progressive music is in your mind and soul not in
what you wear. You'll be a proghead even in
swimming suit.


Iván


 



yeah, but i think the point of asking someone "what
should i wear?" is to somehow make it known what
a person is without actually knowing them. or how
someone call pull if looking like something even if
they aren't aware, or don't agree, with the ideals that
that certain "clique" holds.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 01:59

I believe  there's not a classical proghead outfit (unless you believe Mr. Jeremy Oaks about long hair, old clothes, and marihuana odor ).

The progressive fan today is almost always a middle class guy (most of the time with some studies) who has a normal work, most are old farts as me but you can find also a new generation of proggers who are very young.

So we all dress as the common man/woman, outfit may change depending the age or the financial situation (if you have cash you will use better clothes ) and of course the sex, but that's all.

There's not a prog' code in dressing as in metal fans (a genre I respect very much) or as in rap fans (A genre I don't respect at all). You don't see a guy/woman in the street and say "Hey, thats a Proghead".´

A progressive fan can be anyone in the street and you'll probably won't notice him/her (unless he/she uses an Anglagard T-Shirt) until the moment you speak with him and only if anyone mentions music (what probably one of both will do sooner or later) .

Iván



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 03:22

As always, I agree with Ivan.  There's no real way to "dress prog".  I think this may have something to do with the bulk of prog's fanbase being people whose generation didn't place so much importance on what you wear.  Although that could be completely wrong.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 10:05
On second throught

Tie/dyed Indian cotton shirt saffron yellow and sky blue, a flower power kipper tie, beads, a red felt floppy hat with a feather, open toed sandals and fluorescent canary yellow crushed velvet loons (26" flares). No watch. And to finish it off Mike Ratledge (or was that them Byrds type) rectangular sun glasses. But for goodness sake don't wear socks, you don't want to look foolish
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 10:39

Every guy should have to wear a Pink Floyd tee shirt at one time or another.. its always a good thing to have for your wardrobe...  Here's my favorite PF tee:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2004 at 00:32

The dressing code works in other genres as the ones I mentioned before, because all bands or artists usually dress in a determined style, and fans try to look as their idols.

There's almost no metal band member that doesn't use long hair, leather pants or jackett, some chains (lately is less common),sometimes jeans and T-Shirt (you'll never see a metal musician with shirt). It's an agressive style so they dress in an aggressive way.

Rap Musicians (if you can call that thing music) use street (gheto clothes), loose pants, tennis shoes, because they want to look as the people from marginal zones. They have to look marginal so they can complain against everything.

Boys bands members dress as a character from Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, they have to look in fashion because they sell a cute clean modern and stylish image.

Prog Musicians? Jon Anderson still maintains the hippie style, Hackett doesn't use anything in special, Lake uses good fashion shirts, Wakeman uses capes and long hair, Fripp uses a very formal style like a suit jackett (Three of a Perfect Pair video) always combs his short hair, some musicians use jeans, others even suits (Andy Fairweather Low ), etc. Prog' is an inteligent genre, and inteligent people dress as they want, but even more important, prog' fans don't care what their favorite musician wears, we care for music.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2004 at 14:20
maybe you didn't mean to, but that post seemed to
make your head 3x as big as it was before. it seems
you right off many genres without exception, but you
don't do the same with prog. even if prog is your
favourite typr of music you should be able to make
fun of it and speak critically of it. if i loved every punk
and ska band that existed on the basis of them
being "punk" or "ska" then i would have some pretty
crappy albums, i tell you what.
in rap there are many different styles of dress. the
main one is the one that you mentioned the
"gangsta" rap look. most people like that look
because it is dangerous and it gives the artist cred
wtihout actually doing anything. there are, however;
plenty of styles that many rap artists use.

some just wear normal everyday clothes
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while we do have people like this


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(notice how they seem to be white-middle class)

ii have been to a few rap shows in my town, and
none of those people who dress that way from my
school are at the show. usually it's people who want
to have a good time, instead of guns, hoes, cars,
and bling bling.

same thing for metal.
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is a metal band, but it is. METAL TO THE EXTREME
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and then in the punk scene there is a bunch of
subgenres that have very different styles.

such as hardcore
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the picture isn't that great but the basic fashion is to
wear very tight pants and shirts, and to make up
dance moves with odd names.

then there is the punk punks (uh...they're punk?)
basically it is people who like to dress the
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then there is EMO.
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faded jeans (like youe SOUULLLL), glasses,
sweaters, ect

anywho, i have now completly forgotten what i was
talking about. oh yeah, saying prog is better because
they don't care what they look like, they care about
music. well, it is completly wrong to say other genres
completly care what they look like. some would say
they completly care what they don't look like. or
something.

edit: darn, the pictures didn't work. i'm lazy. do a
google search or something (though you should be
warned about what doing a search for hardcore will
find you)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2004 at 14:43

Quote maybe you didn't mean to, but that post seemed to
make your head 3x as big as it was before. it seems
you right off many genres without exception, but you
don't do the same with prog. even if prog is your
favourite typr of music you should be able to make
fun of it and speak critically of it.

Well maybe I'm not so well informed about Rap, because I DON'T CARE ABOUT RAP IMHO IT'S NOT EVEN MUSIC, I'm only talking about the way the rappers dress in the videos that Sony Channe, MTV and the media  pass all day long, that's the image they try to sell. If people believes this stereotypes it's because the rappers sell that image to the world even if  in their private life use a ton of jewelry or dress like the common guy.

I was never critical with Metal, I believe they are really honest with their dressing code and their music, they have a classic way of dressing and that's natural in them. Of course there are Metal fans that dress as the average Joe like in any other genre, but I was talking about the band members in my last post.

Christian Metal is IMO a hybrid genre, they are people trying to prove something, that they can play metal breaking all the codes in order to praise God, they dress totally different to the average metal player because they want to be different to them.

In other words they are metal musicians who are ashamed of what metal means, metal is an aggressive genre, I don't believe that Metal, Prog or Rap reason of existing is to praise God, there are genres like Gospel created for that purpose.

Never mentioned Punk.

Please don't tell me that boys/girls bands members don't care about how they look. They only care about how they look because their music is crap, they don't sell music, they only sell an image that teenagers will buy and try to imitate, they are a product never artists.

I do believe Prog artists care more about music because it's not (and never was) a commercial genre, everything I said about the artists is true, Wakeman wears capes, Anderson dresses as an old time hippie, Gabriel used to wear costumes and Fripp wears formal jackets with short combed hair.

Probably you believe I'm a prog' snob, it's partially true and I'm proud of it, but really I'm a music snob, I only care for good music despite the genre, and to be honest I haven't seen or heard a good rap, hip hop, dance or Boys/Girls band member who doesn't care about how they look in the video before than worrying about making real music.

Iván



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2004 at 11:30
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

 

The progressive fan today is almost always a middle class guy (most of the time with some studies)

Iván

There is perhaps some truth in this assertion, but I feel that intellect plays a far greater role than mere social position. Many of my proghead friends are from "middleclass" backgrounds, and have a similarly "middleclass" outlook on life, culturally and politically. Many are not (I, myself, hail from somewhat humbler beginings, but a penchant for the academic has afforded me an appreciation for the higher forms of art.LOL)

Be assured, there are many of us oiks with an ear for prog, and a great many tone deaf toffs as well.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2004 at 01:00

Quote There is perhaps some truth in this assertion, but I feel that intellect plays a far greater role than mere social position. Many of my proghead friends are from "middleclass" backgrounds, and have a similarly "middleclass" outlook on life, culturally and politically. Many are not (I, myself, hail from somewhat humbler beginings, but a penchant for the academic has afforded me an appreciation for the higher forms of art.LOL)

I accept your point Emdiar, I always talk from the perspective of my country I mantion middle class because most prog' fans in Perú are people who have access to a  private school and/or University, speak some English and can afford to buy albums that have never been released in our country or had a single minute of radio play.

But even in private schools and Universities, 90% of the people had (in the early 80's when I was studying) or even today heard about prog' music and if they heard about it they don't care, so your cultural/intellectual quotation is correct, the tipycall proghead here has a classical music background as musician or listener.

I don't come from a rich family either, since I have memory I saw my parents working to pay my studies, I had to work since I was 16 to help them pay an expensive University, but I also remember my mother playing Beethoven or Mozart pieces in the piano (She still plays with great talent) and trying to teach me how to play.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2004 at 08:42
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Quote There is perhaps some truth in this assertion, but I feel that intellect plays a far greater role than mere social position. Many of my proghead friends are from "middleclass" backgrounds, and have a similarly "middleclass" outlook on life, culturally and politically. Many are not (I, myself, hail from somewhat humbler beginings, but a penchant for the academic has afforded me an appreciation for the higher forms of art.LOL)

I accept your point Emdiar, I always talk from the perspective of my country I mantion middle class because most prog' fans in Perú are people who have access to a  private school and/or University, speak some English and can afford to buy albums that have never been released in our country or had a single minute of radio play.

But even in private schools and Universities, 90% of the people had (in the early 80's when I was studying) or even today heard about prog' music and if they heard about it they don't care, so your cultural/intellectual quotation is correct, the tipycall proghead here has a classical music background as musician or listener.

I don't come from a rich family either, since I have memory I saw my parents working to pay my studies, I had to work since I was 16 to help them pay an expensive University, but I also remember my mother playing Beethoven or Mozart pieces in the piano (She still plays with great talent) and trying to teach me how to play.

Iván

Point taken, Ivan. It seems we share a common background despite our apparent geographical polarity. My dad is a classical violinist, pianist, trombonist and choirman. His passion for the arts and comprehensive vocabulary have often made him a fish out of water in the small coal mining community in which I was raised. I can't say I'm sorry that I didn't quite fit in. The broader perspective one gets from a workingclass, yet academically stimulating childhood enviroment, money can't buy.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2004 at 19:45

killershears, if you want an appropriate necktie to go with your new Prog shirt, you could always try this one:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2004 at 12:22
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

On second throught

Tie/dyed Indian cotton shirt saffron yellow and sky blue, a flower
power kipper tie, beads, a red felt floppy hat with a feather, open
toed sandals and fluorescent canary yellow crushed velvet loons (26"
flares). No watch. And to finish it off Mike Ratledge (or was that them
Byrds type) rectangular sun glasses. But for goodness sake don't wear
socks, you don't want to look foolish

Dick - have you been in my wardrobe again?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2004 at 15:19

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2004 at 17:21
Originally posted by Fitzcarraldo Fitzcarraldo wrote:

killershears, if you want an appropriate necktie to go with your new Prog shirt, you could always try this one:

To show off around the office... cool!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2004 at 21:23

I went to the Warped Tour on Sat.  Here's what the punk kids were wearing..

Good to see some things never change....hehehe

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2004 at 22:14
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

I went to the Warped Tour on Sat.  Here's what the punk kids were wearing..

Good to see some things never change....hehehe

Holy Crap! I rather walk around butt-naked than going out with those stripy socks!  

 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2004 at 01:35
yes we are shallow, and if we're not shallow, we're
jaded about people being shallow.
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