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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2006 at 19:22
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

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There was a whole dabate over this, RaffaellaDead Check this page out: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3317&PN=94

That guy first posted a completely crap review bashing In Rock for plagiarism so it got deleted and he wrote this instead... Guigo saw it

Unfair is it is, it's stayingCryCryCry
 
Ansen, the discussion above took place on April 18th, after deletion of his review. The review Rafaella spotted is dated April, 23rd. They aren't the same! Confused
 
Probably we should have discussed this second review too but we didn't. IMO it's an issue to be firstly discussed in the forums - however, he has the right to give a 1-star rating if this rating is followed by a well shaped review. Apparently we didn't see this second review or at the time we considered it to be appropriate even by a narrow margin.
 
If we are here discussing reviews done in 2004 I think that there's always time to discuss another made recently.
 
 


I know it's not, the first one was deleted. But remember this?Wink I think it's inappropriate enough to be deleted. Giving the whole album 1* because the inro, first 2 minutes, of one song is supposedly plagiarism is unfair to say in the least. Plus he doesn't talk about musick on the album aside from thse damned 2 minutes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2006 at 19:37
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:


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 Giving the whole album 1* because the inro, first 2 minutes, of one song is supposedly plagiarism is unfair to say in the least. Plus he doesn't talk about musick on the album aside from thse damned 2 minutes.


Maybe so, but at least he took the trouble to explain his rating. Under the current system, there is no obligation for anyone to write any sort of justification for a rating.

The problem as I see it is that this thing called 'review' is the only way we can write what we feel - yet some people simply want to pass comments of one sort or another, often in a way which is not appropriate as a review. I really believe the site needs to give this  more thought, but that's for another thread .....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2006 at 19:48
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

There was a whole dabate over this, RaffaellaDead Check this page out: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3317&PN=94

That guy first posted a completely crap review bashing In Rock for plagiarism so it got deleted and he wrote this instead... Guigo saw it

Unfair is it is, it's stayingCryCryCry
 
Ansen, the discussion above took place on April 18th, after deletion of his review. The review Rafaella spotted is dated April, 23rd. They aren't the same! Confused
 
Probably we should have discussed this second review too but we didn't. IMO it's an issue to be firstly discussed in the forums - however, he has the right to give a 1-star rating if this rating is followed by a well shaped review. Apparently we didn't see this second review or at the time we considered it to be appropriate even by a narrow margin.
 
If we are here discussing reviews done in 2004 I think that there's always time to discuss another made recently.
 
 


I know it's not, the first one was deleted. But remember this?Wink I think it's inappropriate enough to be deleted. Giving the whole album 1* because the inro, first 2 minutes, of one song is supposedly plagiarism is unfair to say in the least. Plus he doesn't talk about musick on the album aside from thse damned 2 minutes.
 
Yep... Embarrassed
 
Either things happened: we didn't discuss properly his second review (and we had the chance then) and also we considered it to be appropriate (and after no more discussion occured). Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2006 at 22:20
Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:

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 Giving the whole album 1* because the inro, first 2 minutes, of one song is supposedly plagiarism is unfair to say in the least. Plus he doesn't talk about musick on the album aside from thse damned 2 minutes.


Maybe so, but at least he took the trouble to explain his rating. Under the current system, there is no obligation for anyone to write any sort of justification for a rating.

The problem as I see it is that this thing called 'review' is the only way we can write what we feel - yet some people simply want to pass comments of one sort or another, often in a way which is not appropriate as a review. I really believe the site needs to give this  more thought, but that's for another thread .....


Exactly - the reviews are there to help people decide on whether to buy the album or not and to give analysis wheteher one will like the music or not. This guy almost doesn't talk about the music, he just rambles on about the plagiiarism f two minutes of music. It's a matter to be discussed on the forum, and a pretty useless review argument. If I wanted to get into the band/album that review wouldn't be helpful at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2006 at 01:09
HAWKWIND — This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic
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3 stars Somehow, the focus in this band never fluctuates far from "Why am I alive at all?" and "Since I am alive, what can I do to make sure I help others become more awake, as well?" (naturally, this is after their own fashion) Hawkwind is one band who can frequently, even upon relistening, give me chills...





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2006 at 03:53
DREAM THEATER — Live at Budokan
Review by OpethGuitarist (Joey Kelley)

3 stars Better than average DVD highlighting what Dream Theater does best, run away with the notes. The "instrumedley" is proof of this more or less. The DVD is recorded very well, and the concert is well organized, with a good mixture of songs from their albums.

However, this almost serves better as an instructional DVD than a concert DVD, with the camera works constantly zoomed in on the fretboards.

Just Look at all DT reviews by OpethGuitarist. This guy simply hates DT. Maybe he's sick. At least he's biased. In this last review he don't even has much to say about album and music. Nevertheless, he finds whom to blame - cameraman. That's why 3 stars. Don't you think it's getting ridiculous? This IMHO doesn't contribute much to Progarchives's credibility. I thing PA staff should recommend this guy (and the likes) to hold back from reviewing some of bands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2006 at 04:50
I was under the assumption that in a DVD review, a lot of it has to do with what a DVD offers, as compared to say, a CD would. People would know what the songs are based on the CD.

On a DVD there is more than just the music, its a visual aspect, not just a listening aspect. That is what I was focusing on. The visual aspect of the DVD. We know what the songs sound like from the albums.

I hate DT? I guess that's why I gave I&W and Awake 4 stars. I like those albums

I think you are just angry perhaps because I don't like all their works and am not an obssessed fanboy.

Either way, welcome to Prog Archives, seeing as you just looked like you started posting.

EDIT: Seems like you aren't new, my mistake.

EDIT 2: And if anyone is displeased with my reviews(not rating an album high enough or too high, w/e), you are more than welcome to PM me about them. AtLossForWords took this approach and it worked out well. I will get to them when I can, and attempt to explain myself better.

Sorry buddy, but I am not going to just rate everything 5 stars. I'm also attempting to provide legitimate reasons other than "I just don't like the sound".

I'm critical on every band, regardless of who they are. For example, I loved Deloused by TMV, but I thought Frances The Mute was basically a failure.


Edited by OpethGuitarist - August 03 2006 at 05:05
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2006 at 05:36
Not gonna comment on your overall DT ratings, OpethG. The review could do beter, then again as I notice you're a person of concise explanation and unilateral focus...

Anyway, the complaint is bit exaggerated, through comments like "Maybe he's sick. At least he's biase" or "I thing PA staff should recommend this guy (and the likes) to hold back from reviewing some of bands.". Essentially 3 stars doesn't mean that the album got bashed or something close to what he implies. The way the show is directed (including the zooms and all that...)can normally be a thing of discussion. At least the way I see it.

Overall, it's a discontent of character that "Toccata" expressed, the character of Budokan not being raised to immense heights. The ambiguous shape of OpethG's review did encounraged him to go acute in the complaint, still not (totally) adequate

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2006 at 06:41
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

then again as I notice you're a person of concise explanation and unilateral focus...

 
Nicely put Rico...how much Borges, et al, have you been reading?  Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2006 at 06:43
Originally posted by NutterAlert NutterAlert wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

then again as I notice you're a person of concise explanation and unilateral focus...

 
Nicely put Rico...how much Borges, et al, have you been reading?  Clap


well I don't what Borges has to do with the subject, but, casual answer, around 14 volumes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2006 at 06:52
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by NutterAlert NutterAlert wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

then again as I notice you're a person of concise explanation and unilateral focus...

 
Nicely put Rico...how much Borges, et al, have you been reading?  Clap


well I don't what Borges has to do with the subject, but, casual answer, around 14 volumes.
 
Well its the sort of language you'd get from his literature and the like. A brit like me would just have said something like:
 
'listen you idiot'
 
Its actually a (genuine) compliment and i've noticed your language usage from your reviews. At times its very complex but has a lovely flow to it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2006 at 07:08
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DREAM THEATER — Live at Budokan
Review by OpethGuitarist (Joey Kelley)

3 stars Better than average DVD highlighting what Dream Theater does best, run away with the notes. The "instrumedley" is proof of this more or less. The DVD is recorded very well, and the concert is well organized, with a good mixture of songs from their albums.

However, this almost serves better as an instructional DVD than a concert DVD, with the camera works constantly zoomed in on the fretboards.

Just Look at all DT reviews by OpethGuitarist. This guy simply hates DT. Maybe he's sick. At least he's biased. In this last review he don't even has much to say about album and music. Nevertheless, he finds whom to blame - cameraman. That's why 3 stars. Don't you think it's getting ridiculous? This IMHO doesn't contribute much to Progarchives's credibility. I thing PA staff should recommend this guy (and the likes) to hold back from reviewing some of bands.
 
Sounds like a good, although not in-depth, review to me. Nothing wrong about it. Remember, not only positiive opinions are appreciated(although it is each reviewer's concern whether or not he wishes to criticize something instead of just reviewing his favourite music).
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2006 at 08:33
Originally posted by Toccata Toccata wrote:

DREAM THEATER — Live at BudokanReview by [COLOR=#606420">OpethGuitarist[/COLOR"> (Joey Kelley)
<P style="COLOR: #333"> Better than average DVD highlighting what Dream Theater does best, run away with the notes. The "instrumedley" is proof of this more or less. The DVD is recorded very well, and the concert is well organized, with a good mixture of songs from their albums.However, this almost serves better as an instructional DVD than a concert DVD, with the camera works constantly zoomed in on the fretboards.


Just Look at all DT reviews by OpethGuitarist. This guy simply hates DT. Maybe he's sick. At least he's biased. In this last review he don't even has much to say about album and music. Nevertheless, he finds whom to blame - cameraman. That's why 3 stars. Don't you think it's getting ridiculous? This IMHO doesn't contribute much to Progarchives's credibility. I thing PA staff should recommend this guy (and the likes) to hold back from reviewing some of bands.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2006 at 08:34
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Toccata Toccata wrote:

DREAM THEATER — Live at BudokanReview by [COLOR=#606420">OpethGuitarist[/COLOR"> (Joey Kelley)
<P style="COLOR: #333"> Better than average DVD highlighting what Dream Theater does best, run away with the notes. The "instrumedley" is proof of this more or less. The DVD is recorded very well, and the concert is well organized, with a good mixture of songs from their albums.However, this almost serves better as an instructional DVD than a concert DVD, with the camera works constantly zoomed in on the fretboards.


Just Look at all DT reviews by OpethGuitarist. This guy simply hates DT. Maybe he's sick. At least he's biased. In this last review he don't even has much to say about album and music. Nevertheless, he finds whom to blame - cameraman. That's why 3 stars. Don't you think it's getting ridiculous? This IMHO doesn't contribute much to Progarchives's credibility. I thing PA staff should recommend this guy (and the likes) to hold back from reviewing some of bands.

You are mistaken my friend.


no,no,no,no...say it with a Marillion accent.

You are mistaken....my friend.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2006 at 10:55
Is this Rico ? Shocked
 
       
 

       
 
   
         

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2006 at 13:00
Generally, I try to cut as much "Bs" as I can out of my reviews. They get to the point quickly, or try to anyway. Personally I'm not interested in writing a 7 page explanation on why an album is aweseom or horrible. I'm not going to use any more words than necessary.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2006 at 03:44
Originally posted by OpethGuitarist OpethGuitarist wrote:

Generally, I try to cut as much "Bs" as I can out of my reviews. They get to the point quickly, or try to anyway. Personally I'm not interested in writing a 7 page explanation on why an album is aweseom or horrible. I'm not going to use any more words than necessary.
 
Apologies for acute character of my post. Didn't mean it.
But I have a different view on this matter. I think reviews have to be comprehensive. If you have only 2-3 sentences to say - better not write. You may vote without review (if voting is important to you). Otherwise reviews are for reviews sake.
I am not fluent in english. It takes a lot of time (which is limited resource) to me to write a comprehensive review. So I do not write at all. I spend time reading reviews. But reading them I would like to know more than someone likes or dislikes this or that. I want to get deeper into music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2006 at 11:07
Originally posted by NutterAlert NutterAlert wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by NutterAlert NutterAlert wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

then again as I notice you're a person of concise explanation and unilateral focus...

 
Nicely put Rico...how much Borges, et al, have you been reading?  Clap


well I don't what Borges has to do with the subject, but, casual answer, around 14 volumes.
 
Well its the sort of language you'd get from his literature and the like. A brit like me would just have said something like:
 
'listen you idiot'
 
Its actually a (genuine) compliment and i've noticed your language usage from your reviews. At times its very complex but has a lovely flow to it.


I was reading some Borges the other day and I had to do a double take as well, it sounded like Rico had written it!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2006 at 14:10
I actually think I was meaning to write another couple sentences for that review, now that I look at it more closely, I must have hit post by accident cause I had a phone call I took or something. Embarrassed
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Just an old misplaced review.  A review of Cafeine's "Nouveaux Monde" wound up under Carpe Diem's "En Regardent Passer le Temps" (CLICK)
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