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Posted: August 01 2006 at 02:37

Thanks

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Posted: August 01 2006 at 03:37

Aussie sorted.

Spanish review removed.

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Posted: August 01 2006 at 07:48

Neat advert posing as a review:

RARE BIRD — Born Again
Review by ricks_picks (richard Hart)

5 stars This is a very good LP and I would recomend it. I find it very interesting that the main performer (Kevin Lamb) gets no indivigual song credits, and even though he is the main performer on this album. He get no more than a by line in the credits. Kevin is also featured on 2 more albums by Rare Bird, and get little mention there as well. I am currently Kevin's manager and he tells me that he wrote the lyrics for several of the song featured on Rare Bird LP's yet I find no credit for this on any sites featuring Rare Bird LP's or the history of Rare Bird! Kevin became a singer songwritter in his own right, and released 2 LP's to date and is currently working on a third. If you would like more info on Kevin, please visit his site www.myspace.com/kevinlamb1

Posted Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 00:06 EST

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Posted: August 01 2006 at 08:39

Rare Bird dealt with...

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Posted: August 01 2006 at 14:35

NAPOLI CENTRALE — Napoli Centrale
Review by museorosenbach

5 stars Napoli Centrale were formed by the nucleus of Showmen after the band's split, when James Senese and Franco Del Prete, along with american keyboardist Mark Harris and english bass player Tony Walmsley veered toward a personal blend of jazz-rock and popular music leaving any traces of prog behind them. With lyrics sung in neapolitan dialect, the first single Campagna became a hit. The six-track debut album was in a similar style, the strong lyrics dealing with social problems while the music was sometimes very original. After the LP release, bassist Tony Walmsley left the band to join the reformed Rovescio della Medaglia, and was soon followed by Mark Harris, they were replaced by Ciro Ciscognetti from Fabio Celi & gli Infermieri and a young Pino Daniele on bass, later a popular solo artist. The band had a good live activity and also played the Montreux jazz festival in Switzerland. After the band split James Senese started a short solo career with two albums, while both him and Del Prete have had a good career as session musicians. Keyboardist Mark Harris, still living in Italy, has launched his own record label, Saint Rock, to promote new italian artists.napoli is good

Just a copy from http://www.italianprog.com/

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Posted: August 01 2006 at 19:37

Text erased... rating preserved. Smile

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Posted: August 01 2006 at 20:50

YES — Close to the Edge
Review by albert_j_bossio 5 stars

¿Como puede un hombre común y corriente opinar sobre tal obra maestra? En disco mejor logrado que escuche en mi vida. Escuchándolo con serenidad, su nivel de complejidad pasa casi de ser percibido, dejando lugar a la consistencia y “escuchabilidad del disco”,…… solamente ASOMBROSO!!!

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Posted: August 01 2006 at 20:53

Considering that he intended to give 5 stars to the album I kept the rating too.

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Posted: August 01 2006 at 20:54

Agree.

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Posted: August 02 2006 at 06:20

There is something 'fishy' about this sudden interest in Genesis - Duke. In my opinion, the last 4 reviews [below] need investigating - all four are 5 star reviews submitted by new members immediately after joining yet have made no other forum posting.

Incidentally, a fifth 5 star Duke review is also from 'RGUABIRABA' who also posted it immediately after joining on 31/7/06 along with a host of Frank Zappa 5 star reviews too - SEE HERE

GENESIS — Duke

Review by nanobh (Adrian Stills)

5 stars DUKE is a improvement on the production of the trio line-up. Despite its excellence in sound quality, arrangements and songs, DUKE showed that Collins and cia. could record better stuff than the previous album. Some prog sound is here, there and everywhere, altough mixed with typical 80´s sounding synths, that sometimes may sound annoyng. Anyway, at least 80% of the album is a must have Genesis recording, and don´t care about some guys discussing about pop approaches and commercial redemption. Pure preciosism. Collins is simply raping the drum kit in the final suite and in many inspired tracks troughout the recording. Banks is very competent and dinamic in the harmony concept and Rutherford is the always "correct" Rutherford. What is the problem ?

Open your mind to the 80´s sounding Genesis, at least until ABACAB, then you may experience the other recordings at your own risk!

Posted Monday, July 31, 2006, 19:39 EST | Permanent link

GENESIS — Duke

Review by lambliesdown (Jeff X)

5 stars Duke is one of my favorite Genesis albums. Despite it´s challenging sonority, quite well- done production and skilled individual members performance, altough much more economic, this recording is a hallmark: It´s a farewell to the Genesis characteristic prog sound, but in a very innovative way. The band could create a dense atmosphere, just like in many recordings of the 70´s, mixing some synth structures in a non-plastic 80´s fashion.

Everything works OK in this production, including the inspired suite Behind The Lines/ Duchess / Guide Vocal (the last one a memorable moment, quite good Collins vocals); Man of our Times exemplify this new band sound, including some nice synth and guitar work with a very open sound of Collins drums, producing a techno-prog atmosphere. Heathaze and Cul de sac are truly symph pearls and at the end we have Duke's Travels / Duke's End, with almost 12 mins. of pure Genesis prog rock, with the trio really kicking asses!

A decent farewell to a legend of english prog-rock. After Duke things worked too much "radio" to me, altough quite enjoying. For pop music fans.

Posted Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 08:52 EST | Permanent link

GENESIS — Duke

Review by flesher (Paolo the criminalist)

5 stars Awesome recording!

For those who tought Genesis was dead, these guys recorded an amazing album, with all elements of Genesis seventies prog elements in a rich layout of eighties synthesizer-driven rock. Resembling something from Rush "Signals" or a little bit of Marillion, Duke is a extension of the work the trio was doing in the late 70´s. Much better than And Then We Were Three (I could not agree with some people saying inconsistent things about Duke and dropping this masterpiece in a pool of mud), Duke has true Collins MAMOOTH drum style, including some incursions trough typical 80´s techno-ambient mood, has Banks creating very interesting ambiences in some of those "new-era" synthesizers (and composing some of the best songs on the album, showing a really productive behaviour) and Rutherford now notably mature on guitars, improving riffs and angular chords, is simple in his musical purity. The bass lines are even strong than in the previous album, making the rhythm section on Duke a special point to put this recording among Genesis very best stuff.

It´s important to say that Collins / Banks / Rutherford learned how to produce prog- oriented music in the new era of mass-midia-attack, and it´s absolutely clear in songs like Misunderstanding and Turn it on Again, obvious great pop-masterpieces, but the perfect blending of prog and pop appears in suites (like people said in other reviews) like Behind The Lines/ Duchess / Guide Vocal or Duke's Travels / Duke's End. AWESOME PROG ROCK. For those interested in the melodic side of Genesis, Duke offers great stuff as we can see in Heathaze, Alone Tonight and Please Don´t Ask. Really well produced ballads, altough with too much "sugar", sometimes. Men of Our Times and Cul de Sac are reminiscences of the Wind and Wuthering period and only make this album a must-obligatory recording.

Get it now.

Posted Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 12:49 EST | Permanent link

GENESIS — Duke

Review by centellos (p centellos)

5 stars Very good to see Genesis beeing reviewed here. As a prog fan, specially in the late 70´s, I tought everything was over when Hackett gone and the trio recorded And Then We Where Three. Nothing wrong with the album, but it seems that Genesis was trying to find the exact point between its gorgeous phase with/without Gabriel and the newborn pop-prog trio. The production was not that good, altough Collins, Banks and Rutherford were still able to compose good things. Here, on Duke, we see a Genesis full of energy and creativity, suggesting that a pause between 77 and 80 would be a nice idea. Anyway, the guys could record strong progressive tracks (see the two last tracks and the first side of the album) and many melancholic synht-prog tracks, including the beautiful Heathaze. I simply don´t care about the hits here, Collins drums still fit perfectly with Rutherford overdrived bass lines, and Banks is the main composer, irrigating the album with some natural keyboard structures that answer to the critics: Genesis lives. essential stuff.

Posted Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 17:17 EST

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Posted: August 02 2006 at 06:24

Only if the same ID adress resembles the reviewers can the reviews go wrong, IMO. Tad strange, but any too solid proof. Perhaps a major encouragement on writing and complementing Duke is what happened.

Something like today with The Final Cut, when one wrote a 5 stars notation, then came at least one, if not two in the same euphoric manner.

(Or like yesterday, Ghost Rider finally opened people's eyes into rigorously bashing Awake) Embarrassed

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Posted: August 02 2006 at 07:31

ANDERSON, JON — The Deseo Remixes
Review by mahamedha4

— First review of this album —

well, its wonderfull album amezing music i m so unlucky i lost this cd & i dont have a credit card to buy a new one & in my town its not avilable.. anyway this music in my soul & wil

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Posted: August 02 2006 at 08:22

Checking, Joolz... maybe a raid of people coming from a Genesis/Phil Collins forum - it happened before.

IP adresses to be verified.

Dealing with, Rico.

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Posted: August 02 2006 at 08:45

there is such a thing? Shocked

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Posted: August 02 2006 at 08:54

Joolz wrote:

GENESIS — Duke

Review by nanobh (Adrian Stills)

5 stars DUKE is a improvement on the production of the trio line-up. Despite its excellence in sound quality, arrangements and songs, DUKE showed that Collins and cia. could record better stuff than the previous album. Some prog sound is here, there and everywhere, altough mixed with typical 80ґs sounding synths, that sometimes may sound annoyng. Anyway, at least 80% of the album is a must have Genesis recording, and donґt care about some guys discussing about pop approaches and commercial redemption. Pure preciosism. Collins is simply raping the drum kit in the final suite and in many inspired tracks troughout the recording. Banks is very competent and dinamic in the harmony concept and Rutherford is the always "correct" Rutherford. What is the problem ?

Open your mind to the 80ґs sounding Genesis, at least until ABACAB, then you may experience the other recordings at your own risk!

Posted Monday, July 31, 2006, 19:39 EST | Permanent link

GENESIS — Duke

Review by lambliesdown (Jeff X)

5 stars Duke is one of my favorite Genesis albums. Despite itґs challenging sonority, quite well- done production and skilled individual members performance, altough much more economic, this recording is a hallmark: Itґs a farewell to the Genesis characteristic prog sound, but in a very innovative way. The band could create a dense atmosphere, just like in many recordings of the 70ґs, mixing some synth structures in a non-plastic 80ґs fashion.

Everything works OK in this production, including the inspired suite Behind The Lines/ Duchess / Guide Vocal (the last one a memorable moment, quite good Collins vocals); Man of our Times exemplify this new band sound, including some nice synth and guitar work with a very open sound of Collins drums, producing a techno-prog atmosphere. Heathaze and Cul de sac are truly symph pearls and at the end we have Duke's Travels / Duke's End, with almost 12 mins. of pure Genesis prog rock, with the trio really kicking asses!

A decent farewell to a legend of english prog-rock. After Duke things worked too much "radio" to me, altough quite enjoying. For pop music fans.

Posted Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 08:52 EST | Permanent link

GENESIS — Duke

Review by flesher (Paolo the criminalist)

5 stars Awesome recording!

For those who tought Genesis was dead, these guys recorded an amazing album, with all elements of Genesis seventies prog elements in a rich layout of eighties synthesizer-driven rock. Resembling something from Rush "Signals" or a little bit of Marillion, Duke is a extension of the work the trio was doing in the late 70ґs. Much better than And Then We Were Three (I could not agree with some people saying inconsistent things about Duke and dropping this masterpiece in a pool of mud), Duke has true Collins MAMOOTH drum style, including some incursions trough typical 80ґs techno-ambient mood, has Banks creating very interesting ambiences in some of those "new-era" synthesizers (and composing some of the best songs on the album, showing a really productive behaviour) and Rutherford now notably mature on guitars, improving riffs and angular chords, is simple in his musical purity. The bass lines are even strong than in the previous album, making the rhythm section on Duke a special point to put this recording among Genesis very best stuff.

Itґs important to say that Collins / Banks / Rutherford learned how to produce prog- oriented music in the new era of mass-midia-attack, and itґs absolutely clear in songs like Misunderstanding and Turn it on Again, obvious great pop-masterpieces, but the perfect blending of prog and pop appears in suites (like people said in other reviews) like Behind The Lines/ Duchess / Guide Vocal or Duke's Travels / Duke's End. AWESOME PROG ROCK. For those interested in the melodic side of Genesis, Duke offers great stuff as we can see in Heathaze, Alone Tonight and Please Donґt Ask. Really well produced ballads, altough with too much "sugar", sometimes. Men of Our Times and Cul de Sac are reminiscences of the Wind and Wuthering period and only make this album a must-obligatory recording.

Get it now.

Posted Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 12:49 EST | Permanent link

GENESIS — Duke

Review by centellos (p centellos)

5 stars Very good to see Genesis beeing reviewed here. As a prog fan, specially in the late 70ґs, I tought everything was over when Hackett gone and the trio recorded And Then We Where Three. Nothing wrong with the album, but it seems that Genesis was trying to find the exact point between its gorgeous phase with/without Gabriel and the newborn pop-prog trio. The production was not that good, altough Collins, Banks and Rutherford were still able to compose good things. Here, on Duke, we see a Genesis full of energy and creativity, suggesting that a pause between 77 and 80 would be a nice idea. Anyway, the guys could record strong progressive tracks (see the two last tracks and the first side of the album) and many melancholic synht-prog tracks, including the beautiful Heathaze. I simply donґt care about the hits here, Collins drums still fit perfectly with Rutherford overdrived bass lines, and Banks is the main composer, irrigating the album with some natural keyboard structures that answer to the critics: Genesis lives. essential stuff.

Posted Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 17:17 EST

Haha, oh God... Guigo, look what I bolded in those four reviews, compare the dates, the way the reviewer"s" describe things and almost advertise the direction... and then tell me this is not the same person. I mean, why would you even compare IP addresses if that's blatantly obvious? They even use the same non-English symbols(bolded as well), can't spell the word 'thought' properly and use such "epithets" to describe the musical performance that you wonder how high the reviewer's IQ actually is.

Get rid of this...

-- Ivan

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Posted: August 02 2006 at 09:52

Ivan, I verified since the beginning that they are Brazilians, including the 5th name: 'rguabiraba' - a very Brazilian name; 'nanobh' called my attention since BH is the acronym for Belo Horizonte, a Brazilian city; 'lambliesdown' uses the e-mail adress of an university from the mentioned city, etc, etc.

However, I made mistakes before and I do not want to make them again, so...

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Posted: August 02 2006 at 12:50

As I was preparing to write a review, I had the misfortune of coming across this little 'beauty':

DEEP PURPLE — In Rock

Review by kazimir

1 stars This album is one of the landmark albums of the rock music; very popular even outside of the genres it belongs - both progressive rock and hard rock, and held by many the most important hard rock album. It was particularly well accepted on the east side of the iron curtain, partly because of some political connotation in its lyrics.

Unfortunately, this album is recently in the center of the strange controversy - with arrival of the internet, the claim that its arguably most important song, in a sense flag-song of the whole hard rock genre, Child in Time, is plagiarism started to spread, and song Bombay Calling, work of the San Francisco rock band It's a Beautiful Day is recognized as its origin. Comparing two songs, one cannot be surprised both with facts how similar these two songs are, and how this fact remained unknown to general public for decades. The story, unfortunately, does not ends here: another very well known song from the same period - Black Night - included on the some versions of the album is also recognized as too similar to another, older song, this time of the Blues Magoos song "We Ain't Got Nothin' Yet."

In a despite - and actually especially because of the huge popularity and importance of this album, this facts about plagiarism should not be ignored; the plagiarism is very serious criminal act, and if this album is properly reviewed by its publisher, author of the review think, it wouldn't see light of day in that form.

I rated this album with one star. However, even "Poor. Only for completionists." grade is, in my opinion too high. The author of this review suggests readers to carefully consider whether they will buy this albumt, in the light of the fact that Blues Magoos and It's a Beautiful Day never got moral (and possibly even financial) satisfaction. In this case, it is better that justice comes late than never.

No words are needed... Angry

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Posted: August 02 2006 at 17:52

There was a whole dabate over this, Raffaella Dead

Check this page out: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3317&PN=94

That guy first posted a completely crap review bashing In Rock for plagiarism so it got deleted and he wrote this instead... Guigo saw it

Unfair is it is, it's staying Cry

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Posted: August 02 2006 at 19:05

The Miracle wrote:

There was a whole dabate over this, Raffaella Dead

Ansen, the discussion above took place on April 18th, after deletion of his review. The review Rafaella spotted is dated April, 23rd. They aren't the same!

Probably we should have discussed this second review too but we didn't. IMO it's an issue to be firstly discussed in the forums - however, he has the right to give a 1-star rating if this rating is followed by a well shaped review. Apparently we didn't see this second review or at the time we considered it to be appropriate even by a narrow margin.

If we are here discussing reviews done in 2004 I think that there's always time to discuss another made recently.

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Posted: August 02 2006 at 19:09

Atkingani wrote:

Ivan, I verified since the beginning that they are Brazilians, including the 5th name: 'rguabiraba' - a very Brazilian name; 'nanobh' called my attention since BH is the acronym for Belo Horizonte, a Brazilian city; 'lambliesdown' uses the e-mail adress of an university from the mentioned city, etc, etc.

However, I made mistakes before and I do not want to make them again, so...

Quoting myself, now about the series of Duke's reviews. Well, there's a possibility they were made by different people although from the same city and apparently using the same scribe to do the translations. In doubt, I considered them as one hence leaving only the review where the reviewer clearly identified himself.

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