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Jim Garten 
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 Posted: July 31 2006 at 12:36 |
 The Lost Chord wrote:
That was probably the worst movie I have ever seen. This is now officially my most disliked album, I never did like it (its not JUST because of the movie) |
Qualified agreement from me on this one - even though the live shows were spectacularly good (as the live album testifies), I have to say, I'm not a big fan of the studio album, and I cannot abide the movie.
I believe Roger Waters is of the same opinion, too - the figure on the back cover of "The Final Cut" is (apparently) supposed to be Roger Waters's father, stabbed in the back by Alan Parker (which is why he is carrying a film canister)
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N Ellingworth
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Posted: July 31 2006 at 14:31 |
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I really like the movie, yes it isn't the best produced film ever but it does portray the concept behind the album very well and Gerald Scarfes animation is some of the best I have ever seen.
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Logan
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Posted: July 31 2006 at 14:47 |
The Lost Chord wrote:
Well, I actually was not completely firmiliar
with the album because I could never give it a chance because what I
heard, i disliked. SO i listened one or two times last week to
try and get a feel, and just was paying half attention and
whatever...figured I would watch the movie hoping it would be more prog
related experience straight to me, turned out to be a gay 80's
extravaganza. |
I enjoyed it as an overlong series of music videos. I love the
album, and the movie is mediocre... It certainly doesn't make me
retch. I like the dystopian themes.
What's so gay about it? Do you say that that because it's style
over substance (as was common in the 80's -- god that was a lame decade
as I recall)? Fashion! There is something very campy about the
film. A Queer aesthetic. It's the fashion-sense, the uniforms,
and some of the imagery. I wondered if part of the idea
behind Bob Geldoff's character was creating an angry, ambiguously gay
man. I felt that may have been part of the character background
and motivation (both from the movie and album -- he is a mama's boy at
heart, and reacts badly to women. Well, partially he reacts badly
due to a love/hate relationship with his mother... Some king of an
Oedipus complex maybe).
But hey, you can't have Floyd without the Pink.
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: July 31 2006 at 15:46 |
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I remember very well that I watched the The Wall movie in the cinema when it was just released: I was very impressed by the dark atmosphere and the emotional scenes but I missed live footage although the Gerarld Scarge cartoons were mindblowing. If I look back at this movie after all those years I still love it but it's a pity that the big ego's Roger Waters and Alan Parker clashed, if they had behaved more as adults their shared creative minds would have made the The Wall movie to a classic.
Edited by erik neuteboom - July 31 2006 at 15:47
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Empathy
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Posted: July 31 2006 at 16:55 |
N Ellingworth wrote:
I really like the movie, yes it isn't the best produced film ever but it does portray the concept behind the album very well and Gerald Scarfes animation is some of the best I have ever seen.
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Ben2112
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Posted: July 31 2006 at 21:08 |
Well I have a soft spot for the movie, even if I think it's entirely overwrought and "obvious". It was once a rite of passage to see this movie at least once, at least in my circle of friends. It was also one of those "man, you've got to see this on acid" things that seemed cool at the time. Personally, I never thought it was a good "acid movie" as it's entirely too heavy and disturbing for that state of mind. Pompeii on the other hand... 
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Posted: August 01 2006 at 07:19 |
Ben2112 wrote:
Well I have a soft spot for the movie |
So do I - it's a bog in southern Ireland
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Posted: August 04 2006 at 09:29 |
Personally I put The Wall in my top ten movies. It really brought the colors and moods of the album to life as well as adding entire new dimensions to certain songs like "In The Flesh". The scene were Pink screams "I'd have alll of ya shot" and the crowd cheers is just chilling.
Obviously if you don't like the album you won't like the movie so don't waste your time and then complain when you didn't enjoy it.
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The Lost Chord
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Posted: August 04 2006 at 10:07 |
Well it is all a matter of opinion ofcourse, and thats all that I am saying...i guess the wall is for some, and not for others.
But one thing is for sure, it certainly makes "going for the one" the most brilliant later album of the 70's by YES!
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Posted: August 04 2006 at 12:10 |
You obviously have bigger problems than not liking the movie if you think Going For The One is better than The Wall 
Edited by Equality 7-2521 - August 04 2006 at 16:32
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Posted: August 04 2006 at 12:41 |
The Lost Chord wrote:
Yeah, i will give the cartoon parts the edge...animation is always fun to watch.
But wow...can anyone even think of a more horrible music/film? I cant...STrawbs Grave New World film was a thousand times better than this, and thats BARELY a film! |
Mate......I think you need to reassess your comparisons..Grave New World to The Wall????? The Wall may appear dated as a film nowadays but most movies do date. Musically it is pure genius!
You might as well compare John Denver to Red Hot Chili Peppers....what you been smoking?
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The Lost Chord
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Posted: August 04 2006 at 18:19 |
Not sure I understand, but heres how it goes:
The Wall is sh*te, probably my most disliked Floyd Album of Waters Floyd.
Grave New World is a classic, amazing, brilliant Strawbs album, probably their best work.
Comparing Grave New World the MOVIE to The Wall MOVIE is simple, Grave New World is a short, stupid little film that has some enjoyable and humorous moments...while The Wall is a painstaking journey through utter crap for hours.
Grave New World destroys it on both fronts, nuff said.
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Dirk
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Posted: August 04 2006 at 19:28 |
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I love the music from the Wall. Saw the movie a very long time ago and i seem to remember that i liked it much better than i expected (given that it got some bad reviews at the time)
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Posted: August 05 2006 at 05:39 |
TLC,
You are still quite young and did not live this late 70's early 80's as the older ones.
I can assure you the album and the movie were strong statements against what Waters consider what was wrong on this planet>>> In a way this album (and film) is the logical continuity of Animals .
I think you might just be growing into it. Just think about the movie and see how it relates to modern society.
Of course the Educational parts are not up to date with what you encountered in your youth. But as a youth that was 20 years younger than Waters was, I still met one or two of them teachers.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Figglesnout
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Posted: August 05 2006 at 14:27 |
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Like the album (8/10), LOVE the movie (9.5/10)...that's all rather objective of course as I haven't seen or heard either in a good while...
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I'm a reasonable man, get off my case
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Evans
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Posted: August 05 2006 at 16:34 |
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I wonder what that fan who got spit in the face thinks. I mean, he's FAMOUS, but noone knows who he is, haha! He also spawned one of the most well-knows rock albums , at least indirectly.
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Posted: August 06 2006 at 03:20 |
I don't like the album much, but in my opinion the movie is just wonderful. But I agree, that it won't probably please people who don't like art movies but prefer Star Wars for example. 
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 13:41 |
Vompatti wrote:
Is it really true that Hey You wasn't in the movie?
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Hey You was originaly suppost too be in the movie, and the scene for it was filmed, but Roger thought that it was too repetative imagery, wasn't that intresting, and did nothing for the film/story, so he took it out. Waters said that (not in those words, but same idea) on the wall DvD commentary, on the DvD you can also see the scene he was talking about. I love the wall, and I keep throwing it back and forth With Dark Side over weather or not it's my fav floyd album. I thought the movie was good, confusing, weird, and what I liked about it was how unconventional and insanley different it was, and how you could get the story without any dialogue, just music and image. Cool idea, but I think there was a lot of room for improvment.
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 13:43 |
Watch it while you're high it makes so much more sense
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 13:58 |
The Lost Chord wrote:
That was probably the worst movie I have ever seen. This is now officially my most disliked album, I never did like it (its not JUST because of the movie), but this film, and now seeing what it is all about, and how Floyd chose to portray it....dear god, unbelieveable.
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