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Dragon Phoenix View Drop Down

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Posted: July 24 2006 at 09:12

Let's see what the rankings in our own PA say....

Ranked by their third best album:

1 [8] Genesis
2 [12] Yes
3 [13] Pink Floyd
4 [17] King Crimson
5 [28] Rush
6 [29] Camel
7 [46] Gentle Giant
8 [50] VDGG
9 [57] Dream Theater
10 [61] Opeth

Not in the top 10: Jethro Tull [92] and ELP [80].

Ranked by their fourth best album:

1 [11] Genesis
2 [34] Yes
3 [38] Pink Floyd
4 [48] Rush
5 [49] Gentle Giant
6 [62] Dream Theater
7 [65] VDGG
8 [96] Porcupine Tree
9 [99] King Crimson
10 [101] ELP

Still no Tull [116]

Let's go with their fifth best albums:

1 [24] Genesis
2 [55] Pink Floyd
3 [60] Rush
4 [63] Gentle Giant
5 [68] Yes
6 [72] Dream Theater
7 [119] Jethro Tull
8 [127] King Crimson
9 [137] Camel
10 [200] Marillion

Sixth, you say?

1 [70] Genesis
2 [81] Yes
3 [87] Gentle Giant
4 [111] Rush
5 [133] Dream Theater
6 [156] Pink Floyd
7 [145] King Crimson
8 [171] Jethro Tull
9 [245] Porcupine Tree
10 [263] Camel

One last shot, lucky seven:

1 [71] Genesis
2 [115] Yes
3 [138] Gentle Giant
4 [174] Pink Floyd
5 [176] Jethro Tull
6 [187] Dream Theater
7 [239] Rush
8 [252] King Crimson
9 [305] Camel
10 [419] Porcupine Tree

conclusion: based on this, ELP should not be mentioned as one of the supergroups, Gentle Giant, Jethro Tull, Dream Theater, Rush and possibly Camel have a good claim on that status.

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Posted: July 24 2006 at 09:04

erik neuteboom wrote:

I wonder or Rush can be put in the same category as bands like Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, ELP and Pink Floyd, the superprog category?

Reading other peoples' replies, I just noticed that you missed out Jethro Tull from the "Big 6".

I thought we had sorted this out on the forum.

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Posted: July 24 2006 at 08:50

"Superprog"...a sort of PA "Hall of Fame?!

I've always thought Rush were one of the "big" prog bands!

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Posted: July 24 2006 at 08:44

Blacksword wrote:

If the criteria is musicianship, and creative songwriting, then yes! If it's album sales then possibly yes, also. I wouldn't be suprised if they had sold more albums over their career so far, than King Crimson or ELP. Remember ELP split in the late 70's, and didn't do anything until ELPowell which flopped. In that time Rush had released Permenant Waves, Moving Pictures, Signals, Grace Under Pressure all of which were top ten albums (I think) That was on the back of 2112 (which has gone platinum more than once) I think they have sold in excess of 45,000,000 albums.

They are 'Premier League' as far as I'm concerned.

Among the mentioned bands, only Pink Floyd have sold more than Rush, I think.

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Posted: July 24 2006 at 08:23

aapatsos wrote:

But alongside these big 5, I think we should put Rush and Jethro Tull

I agree.

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Posted: July 24 2006 at 08:22

I don't think so. I can't no way compare Rush with the big names you mentioned ( and some other ones you forgot ).

To me they are in a second or third division, which means they are good. Of course, fans won't agree with me.

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Posted: July 24 2006 at 08:19

Three quick reactions, two from Greece, remarkably

About their sales, good point

Edited by erik neuteboom - July 24 2006 at 08:21

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Posted: July 24 2006 at 08:18

If the criteria is musicianship, and creative songwriting, then yes! If it's album sales then possibly yes, also. I wouldn't be suprised if they had sold more albums over their career so far, than King Crimson or ELP. Remember ELP split in the late 70's, and didn't do anything until ELPowell which flopped. In that time Rush had released Permenant Waves, Moving Pictures, Signals, Grace Under Pressure all of which were top ten albums (I think) That was on the back of 2112 (which has gone platinum more than once) I think they have sold in excess of 45,000,000 albums.

They are 'Premier League' as far as I'm concerned.

Edited by Blacksword - July 24 2006 at 08:19

Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!

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Posted: July 24 2006 at 08:15

^ I also think that this is the reason

But alongside these big 5, I think we should put Rush and Jethro Tull

Arrrghus

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Posted: July 24 2006 at 08:12

Wait, Rush isn't in the superprog category? I always thought they were.

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Posted: July 24 2006 at 08:02

erik neuteboom wrote:

Personally I have the opinion that Rush is the only band that can compete with the socalled superprogrock bands

I have the same opinion. If they're not in the supergroup, they are only just outside.

I heard some people say that the main reason they missed out on the "Big 6" is because they started too late.

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Posted: July 24 2006 at 07:54

Hello progheads.

This week I enjoyed the Rush Replay box and was again impressed by the incredible high level of this seminal Canadian progrock trio. Along with the DVD's Rush In Rio and R30 you can conclude that during the years Rush have made lots of outstanding compositions like Xanadu, La Villa Strangiato, Jacob's ladder, Natural Science and YYZ, to name a few. Between the early Seventies and the mid-Eighties they have turned from a Led Zep/Cream/Hendrix inspired progressive hardrock band into a highly acclaimed heavy progressive high-tec orchestra'. I wonder or Rush can be put in the same category as bands like Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, ELP and Pink Floyd, the superprog category?

Personally I have the opinion that Rush is the only band that can compete with the socalled superprogrock bands because of their outstanding high technical level, compositional skills and adventurous approach, their innovative sound, their serie of great albums (I would like to focus on the era 1976-1986) and their huge influence on (prog) rock bands all over the world

I am curious to your opinion about this: am I too subjective as a huge Rush fan or do Rush deserve a place among Yes, Genesis, ELP, Pink Floyd and King Crimson in the super prog category?