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Güdron 
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 17:57 |
I forfeited the flashing nuke sign opting for the question mark instead. 
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resistance is futile
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Psychedelia
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 18:01 |
I think the Israelies are acting atrociously in regard to the Palestinians. Completely dispraportionate action. They are worse than the Palestinians although both sides are awful.
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Another emotional suicide, overdosed on sentiment and pride
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Australian
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 19:17 |
No comment. I don't want to discriminate anyone
Edited by Australian - July 14 2006 at 19:18
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Snow Dog
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 19:20 |
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This is an inflammatory poll at best!
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Güdron
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 21:40 |
 Snow Dog wrote:
This is an inflammatory poll at best! |
Why, because you don’t have an opinion, or because it doesn’t meet your criteria of political correctness?
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resistance is futile
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Güdron
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 21:46 |
I voted for the Arabs, btw. It appears that Israel, by becoming a regional superpower, is losing it, not unlike the US (in a broader sense).
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resistance is futile
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Arsillus
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 22:51 |
Both are at fault. 
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 22:59 |
This issue is far too complex to answer with a simple answer The Jews or The Arabs (Both terms sound racist when used in this context, specially comming from a USA citizen, a country where no person must be identified by their religion).
This a problem that comes way from behind and impossible to analyze in a simple A or B choice.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - July 14 2006 at 23:24
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bhikkhu
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 23:26 |
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Oddly enough, I get asked to take sides on this quite often. Political activism is a major league sport in Ann Arbor. My view on this is that there is no point in taking sides. This is a clash of ideology, and opinion. There is no way that one side will prevail over the other by force. You just can't change minds that way. The sooner that both the Arabs, and the Jews, realize this, the sooner they can start making some real progress.
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video vertigo
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Posted: July 15 2006 at 00:01 |
I don't really agree with the site that this comes from but this sign is funny as well as a few others of theirs.
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"The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa
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maani
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Posted: July 15 2006 at 16:15 |
Ivan:
Thank you. You said it perfectly.
Peace.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 15 2006 at 16:27 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
This issue is far too complex to answer with a simple answer The Jews or The Arabs (Both terms sound racist when used in this context, specially comming from a USA citizen, a country where no person must be identified by their religion).
This a problem that comes way from behind and impossible to analyze in a simple A or B choice.
Iván |
Not meaning to be nit-picking but arab is not a religion , Muslim is. I know some Arabs who are Jews and other that are Christians. Better yet, I find the atheist Arabs to be the most fascinating people.
Outside of this I agree with your post
Even if the Israelis are definitely not helping their cause (and turning lotsa people even more against their cause) with this completely disproportionate response >>>> to mosquito bites, they are ready to set fire to the whole planet
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Snow Dog
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Posted: July 15 2006 at 20:33 |
Güdron wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
This is an inflammatory poll at best! |
Why, because you don’t have an opinion, or because it doesn’t meet your criteria of political correctness? |
I have an opinion and I am not politically correct.
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Atkingani
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Posted: July 15 2006 at 20:54 |
Sincerely, a single POLL in the "team you support" style seems not fair, mainly because there are thousands of lives involved (also ours, directly or indirectly).
We could learn and understand better the situation in ME through a thread in the DNRTM forum just like some buddies are doing.
Keeping an eye (or two) here. In case of derailing this poll will be closed!
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goose
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Posted: July 15 2006 at 21:09 |
Güdron wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
This is an inflammatory poll at best! |
Why, because you don’t have an opinion, or because it doesn’t meet your criteria of political correctness? |
Or because it could inflame things, perhaps?
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Guests
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Posted: July 15 2006 at 21:18 |
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Israel is acting as a swell-funded superpower with military muscles to
flex. These actions are just as much atrocities as North Korea, Iran,
or any other one of our "enemies", it's just they're fighting with
objectives in which we find benefit so we applaud it. This should not
be an argument where if you disagree with what Israel is currently
doing, you in turn support the Arab world. I know most people in the
west are racist and islamaphobic, so let's just leave that out of
things - continue to live in your wrongs. But even with that the case,
you should still recognize how wrong Israel is acting, and even as a
supporter of Israel, you should be worried. They have dug themselves
into a hole that is asking for violence.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 15 2006 at 23:20 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Not meaning to be nit-picking but arab is not a religion , Muslim is. I know some Arabs who are Jews and other that are Christians. Better yet, I find the atheist Arabs to be the most fascinating people.
Outside of this I agree with your post |
Yes you're right, again I as thinking in Spanish and then translating  , we say Árabe in coloquial language to refer both to the religion and the race, very few people refer to the religion as "Musulmanes".
But anyway, the poll is still sectarian because it refers to people from nations with a proper name refering to them as a Religion/Race (In the case of Jewish) and race in the case of Arabs.
Iván
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NotAProghead
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Posted: July 16 2006 at 18:47 |
Both.
Ordinary people from both sides are victims of some b*stards' games.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: July 17 2006 at 09:01 |
Atkingani wrote:
Keeping an eye (or two) here. In case of derailing this poll will be closed! |
What Atkingani said.............
This is an inflammatory poll at best.
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Güdron
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Posted: July 17 2006 at 09:01 |
Well, any discussion carries that potential. It is not the subject of discussion that inflames things, but people who participate in it. But this is just an attempt to gather some statistics, so no argument is even needed here for per sake.
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resistance is futile
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