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Trickster F. 
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 05:15 |
I am looking for inspiration in the ProgRock's flautist circles, as this seems to be the only kind of playing that influences mine. I am vastly disappointed with some of the major names though, as their flute solos seem to be just traditional rock guitar solos played on flute. The lead flute work(non-solo)is great though.
Basically, I ask you all to list the most original, creative flute players of prog, preferrably without mentioning the big names(I've known about Latimer, McDonald, Anderson and others for years, guys). 
Oh, please list the ALBUMS their playing is represented the best too. 
-- Ivan
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S Lang
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 05:30 |
Mel Collins is the legend.
Never released an album under his name, he plays the best flute I can think off. As a feature musician, he played on hundreds of albums for big names, always playing his own style, never to be "bought".
There may be others, but I couldn't think of anyone better.
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 05:32 |
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Not to obvious I think:
Sacha van Geest
Supersister: 1. Present From Nancy, 2. To the Highest Bidder, 3. Pudding en Gisteren. All fantastic.
Teddy Lasry (Claude Engel, Richard Raux also credited flute players)
Magma: Kobaia
Pascal Vandenbulcke
Dün: Eros
Udo Dennenbourg (Christopf Franke also credited)
Tangerine Dream: Alpha Centauri
I find all these albums and fluteplayers untyphical unique sounding.
Gong and almost all Canterbury bands have been mentioned many times.
Finally Gnidrolog, PFM, Harmonium and some VdGG. Probably not as
original, but always very beautiful .
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 05:34 |
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Forgot:
Rob Young
Comus: First Utterance
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 05:42 |
Oh!
Richard Harvey and Brian Gulland
Gryphon: 1. Gryphon 
2. Midnight Mushrooms 3. Red Queen to Gryphon Three
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 05:45 |
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Setting aside the obvious (Anderson, Thijs, etc...) I'm really into the playing of Andrea Monetti on La Maschera di Cera's albums.
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 06:32 |
 Kotro wrote:
Setting aside the obvious (Anderson, Thijs, etc...) I'm really into the playing of Andrea Monetti on La Maschera di Cera's albums. |
Yep, just listen to their last big opus LuxAde! Sometimes distorted flute!
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 06:33 |
BTW, the greatest flutist is prog is Ian Anderson, without any doubt!
HE is the flute in prog!
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Rocktopus
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 06:37 |
Andrea Cortese wrote:
BTW, the greatest flutist is prog is Ian Anderson, without any doubt!
HE is the flute in prog! |
It depends on how you look at it, of course. Yes he is the greatest, as in the most profilic. Not the best or most original.
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Dragon Phoenix
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 06:50 |
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I'll take Thijs van Leer over Ian Anderson any day.
Edited by Dragon Phoenix - July 14 2006 at 06:51
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Tony Fisher
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 07:15 |
Jim Lockhart of Horslips is far better than Ian Anderson (or any other flautist in prog for that matter).
Try The Book of Invasions or The Tain and see how good he is (as well as playing pipes, whistles and keyboards!!!)
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 08:00 |
Ian Anderson IS the flute player!
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 08:12 |
My favourite bit of flute is on "The Virgin and The Gypsy" by Steve Hackett. I believe it is Steve's brother John.
Also Jimmy Hastings who played some great stuff on "Fish out of Water".
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 11:27 |
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Giorgio Giorgi from QUELLA VECCHIA LOCANDA.
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 12:39 |
Aside from the afore-mentioned names, check out Jazz flautistists Roland Kirk and Eric Dolphy, whose playing in the 1950's and 1960 influenced many a progger.
P.S. Agreement with others, No insult to the person claiming Ian Anderson is the best flautist because that's the person's opinion.
However it may be more factual to state he is the best known Flautist, as many will say Kenny G is the best saxaphonist in Jazz because that is the only person they know about in such music.
James Galaway is the "best Flautist in classical" to me because he is the only one I know in this genre.
P.S. The reason you read Toots Theilman winning Downbeat music poll as best Jazz harmonica player is because he is probably the only Jazz harmonica player.
Edited by sm sm - July 14 2006 at 12:44
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 13:27 |
sm sm wrote:
Aside from the afore-mentioned names, check out Jazz flautistists Roland Kirk and Eric Dolphy, whose playing in the 1950's and 1960 influenced many a progger.
P.S. Agreement with others, No insult to the person claiming Ian Anderson is the best flautist because that's the person's opinion.
However it may be more factual to state he is the best known Flautist, as many will say Kenny G is the best saxaphonist in Jazz because that is the only person they know about in such music.
James Galaway is the "best Flautist in classical" to me because he is the only one I know in this genre.
P.S. The reason you read Toots Theilman winning Downbeat music poll as best Jazz harmonica player is because he is probably the only Jazz harmonica player. |
I sated Ian Anderson to be the flute in prog not because I only know him as a flute player!
I haven't said he has to be recognized as the best in playing flute. I only said he's the flute in prog because he was one the very first to use flute in prog. Jethro Tull first album was published in early 1968 and their first singles were of 1967!
His character became very soon memorable and it is so still today. That's not only a question of pure fame! He is the symbol of flute.
That said I personally can tell you I like very much Andy Latimer way of playing flute and also Monetti of La Maschera di Cera. I like very much Giorgi in QVL and Perrino in Celeste.
There are lots of impressive musicians out there!
The flute in prog remains always him, Ian Anderson.
I know that truth can hurts, sometime...  
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 14:15 |
Rocktopus wrote:
Oh!
Richard Harvey and Brian Gulland
Gryphon: 1. Gryphon
2. Midnight Mushrooms 3. Red Queen to Gryphon Three
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I don't know about the instruments used on the first two albums you quote, Rocktopus, but Richard Harvey and Brian Gulland didn't play flute on "Red Queen To Gryphon Three":
Richard Harvey / keyboards, recorders, krumhorn.
Brian Gulland / bassoon, krumhorn.
and on the GRYPHON album "Raindance":
Richard Harvey / grand piano, Rhodes, RMI and Crumar electric piano, Minimoog, Coperman-Hart organ, Mellotron, clavinet, keyboard glockenspiel, recorders, krumhorns, penny whistle, clarinet.
Brian Gulland / bassoon, backing vocals.
Richard Harvey plays the recorder extremely competently, and shows what a beautiful sound this simple instrument can produce in the hands of an accomplished musician.
Good call, nonetheless. 
Edited by Fitzcarraldo - July 14 2006 at 14:16
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 15:20 |
Rocktopus wrote:
Not to obvious I think:
Sacha van Geest
Supersister: 1. Present From Nancy, 2. To the Highest Bidder, 3. Pudding en Gisteren. All fantastic.
Teddy Lasry (Claude Engel, Richard Raux also credited flute players)
Magma: Kobaia
Pascal Vandenbulcke
Dün: Eros
Udo Dennenbourg (Christopf Franke also credited)
Tangerine Dream: Alpha Centauri
I find all these albums and fluteplayers untyphical unique sounding.
Gong and almost all Canterbury bands have been mentioned many times. Finally Gnidrolog, PFM, Harmonium and some VdGG. Probably not as original, but always very beautiful .
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All good nominations, but the flute passages on Kobaia are truly magnificent (in my completely objective opinion ). Seeing as the Baldies haven't added their opinion yet, I'd also have to nominate Didier Malherbe of Gong, a brilliant and highly adventurous flautist whose playing is as much influenced by jazz and Indian music as it is by rock. Try Flute Salad for starters, and proceed from there.
Ian Anderson is a highly distinctive flautist but his playing is heavily influenced by the mighty Roland Kirk, as he himself admits. He also admits that he's not that great a player; when Gentle Giant supported Tull in the 70s, the Shulman brothers invited him to play with them but he felt that he wasn't good enough.
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Tony Fisher
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 19:09 |
Rocktopus wrote:
Oh!
Richard Harvey and Brian Gulland
Gryphon: 1. Gryphon
2. Midnight Mushrooms 3. Red Queen to Gryphon Three
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Great musicians, great band - but neither of them plays the flute at all on any Gryphon album.
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spacecraft
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 19:16 |
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Surely Steve Jollife desreves a mention, great Flute work on Cyclone, everybody's favourite Td hate album. Some of his solo stuff is pretty damned good too.
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