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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 09:53
My favourite is "Red", followed closely by LTiA - which, unfortunately, is vaguely spoiled by Wetton's less than adequate vocals. I love "The Great Deceiver" from SaBB, while I find "The Night Watch" overrated.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 10:17
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

    You are on the right track my
brother. If you are into TfTO (one of my new passions), then you are
ready for just about anything. For Genesis, I believe "Foxtrot" is a
must. You may want to explore more KIng Crimson. The John Wetton era is
fantastic ("Lark's Tounge in Aspic," "Starless and Bible Black," and
"Red"). I will agree with Ghost Rider, and also suggest Transatlantic.
I love both albums. You also may be interested in Marillion's first
four albums. Their direction changed with the loss of Fish, and I don't
care much for it. I also highly reccomend taking up Micky's suggestion
on Italian prog. He got me into it, and it is amazing.


hmm...


thanks for the kind words...

that said, do you consider the Wetton-era King Crimson symphonic... I
admit I had my hands in on the move to art-rock for them.  That
era is more characteristic of a less symphonic more avant-garde 
style which of course is what sort of put them on a pedestal above many
of the other groups.. like Yes.. they were never content to hit a
stride in a style and perfect it.. they were always...looking over the
horizon so to speak IMO.  Those albums are essential.. but if he
is truly looking for only symphonic... he should look elsewhere... like
Transatlantic hahah

    
Strange, I thought I had already posted this, but I looked, and it was not here.

Anyway, You are correct Micky. The KC was more of an expanding the boundaries suggestion. I figured since he took to TfTO so quickly, he could handle a lot of different things. However, we should wait a while before subjecting himto Magma.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 10:32
Do you really want to scare him off prog for good?Wink Magma are not for the faint-hearted... Though I have a friend who, in spite of being an avid Camel and Renaissance fan, loves them with a passion!LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 11:16
I shall say it again: Gotic - Escenes

Very much like early Camel and likely to be your thing.

The Italian bands also are excellent.  Alphataurus is my favourite, but that's the least symphonic out of the bands I have heard.

Also, I would jump straight in with Willow's Storm Season, as it's rather more neo/prog metal sounding than symphonic.  I suggest trying Sacrament by White Willow first of all.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 11:22
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Do you really want to scare him off prog for good?Wink Magma are not for the faint-hearted... Though I have a friend who, in spite of being an avid Camel and Renaissance fan, loves them with a passion!LOL


hmm... you know.. call me a big fanboy LOL.. but I never saw the big scare factor in Magma. My kids love Magma, and my son just LOVES Stoah from the Kobaia album.   Sure the vocals at times can be a bit...much... but that music is just priceless..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 17:38
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Penumbra Penumbra wrote:



Then again, it took me several listens to really love Tales from Topographic Oceans. Now I am attached to it. :)



you're a good man... once you proclaim it as one of the great albums of prog... we'll induct you into our secret little society.  Not much too it... you have to play TFTO once a week, pledge to play it through headphones to any children you have in the future, and we meet once a week and get hammered and tell old war stories...
 
Maybe we might get into other more philosophical meanderings and hey, even bug the Dream Theater junkies along the way. Cool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 20:04
Wlcome to the site...

My suggestions are CAMEL (specielly the 70's stuff), CARPTREE (great swedish band), PENDRAGOM, ARENA and PORCUPINE TREE and please, try with Italian Prog... try to start with PREMIATA FORNERIA MARCONI, LE ORME and AREA...

Peace & Love and keep on progging'!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 10:54
I'm glad everyone's so enthusiastic about initiating me here! :)

You did not scare me by mentioning "Magma". What is their music like; completely experimental or very ODD or something? I'll listen to anything :D

I am in love with PFM and Harmonia! I will go for Camel today.. hehe.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 18:05

They are possibly the absolute weirdest prog band. Want to know how creative they are? They started their own subgenre, Zeuhl. Listen to the song from the album MDK. The other streaming songs are slightly more normal; try Udu Wudu.

Because I'm bored, here is a sampler of some of the strangest stuff you may encounter in prog:
Listen to Knots, and if you're intrigued, Prologue, Experience, or the other sample songs. I personally like Free Hand, but I'm not really a Gentle Giant fan.
 
Some of those are not songs that I would recommend to get you into those genres, but you can listen to them if you're feeling adventerous.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 18:13
Originally posted by Penumbra Penumbra wrote:

I'm glad everyone's so enthusiastic about initiating me here! :)

You did not scare me by mentioning "Magma". What is their music like; completely experimental or very ODD or something? I'll listen to anything :D

I am in love with PFM and Harmonia! I will go for Camel today.. hehe.



Magma -> french progressive fusion.... lyrics are sung in Kobaian.. a mixture of French, German, and total nonsense hahah.  Early albums were rather jazzy.. the later albums full blown  progressive  with everything from jazz, opera, classical, electronica mixed in.  The cream of the crop  of French musicians seem to pass through that group.  HIGHLY HIGHLY recommended.. we have some guys who REALLY know Magma much better than me.  IF interested check with them. I'd start simple if you have any jazz leaning.. the debut.. Kobaia.  Remember there are samples available here under each group on the front page...



You'll find most everyone on the site very helpfull, we love this stuff.. and nothing is better than sharing/passing on that love so to speak...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 22:39
How very correct you are! Sharing is always good and friendly and helpful.

I am in love with "Tarkus" and "Karn Evil 9"! These remind me of Close to the Edge, in their own style and way. So much keyboard :)!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 15:27
Ah, I have finally been able to find The Snow Goose album! I love it to death. The way it is strung together reminds me of something less than "Thick as a Brick" and "Passion Play", but more than "Dark Side of the Moon". By this I mean, TaaB and APP by Jethro Tull both appear to follow a common storyline, albeit sort of ambiguous. DSotM, on the other hand, follows a concept of madness-causing things in life, yet each song is seperate from the others.

The Snow Goose reminds me of what I call "Wordless Opera". This is like Tchaikovsky's and Mozart's overtures to stories in Operas. It all moves together, like a continuing storyline; truly great.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 22:39
    I can see that your into these long, epic-like songs which is awesome. But if you wanna hear some really complex, melodic, well written, amazingly performed prog-rock, then check out Gentle Giant. I don't think anyone will disagree with me there. These guys are in my top 3 of favorite prog bands and my top five of favorite bands of all time. Start out with In a Glass House, Octopus, Free Hand, or any live stuff (they're f**king incredible live).
Also I noticed that your into the whole post-rock scene. Check out Mogwai, Mono (sick in concert), and Explosions in The SKy (These guys changed my life).

Finally check out Camel. Most melodic stuff you'll ever hear.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2006 at 00:46
Well, I am glad to say that my playlist now encompasses all of this music (I narrowed it down to  mostly particular songs that I like as my playlist, not entirely albums): Songs are in quotations.

Yes: Tales from Topographic Oceans, Close to the Edge, Relayer, The Yes Album and Fragile. "Going for the One", "Cinema", and "Awaken" thrown in 'cause I love them.

King Crimson: Red and In the Court of the Crimson King.

Pink Floyd: "A Saucerful of Secrets", "Atom Heart Mother", Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals and Meddle.

Emerson, Lake, and Palmer: Brain Salad Surgery and Tarkus.

Rush: I've found Moving Pictures, Hemispheres, A Farewell to Kings, Caress of Steel, 2112 and Permanent Waves! These albums are truly amazing and awesome. :)

Genesis: Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound, Trespass, Nursery Cryme.

Camel: The Snow Goose.

Harmonium: If We Had A Fifth Season.

Focus: Hamburger Concerto.

Jethro Tull: A Passion Play, Thick as a Brick.

Premiata Forneria Marconi: Per Un Amico.

Random Songs: "Jordrok", by Anglagard.
                      "Miragem" by Bacamarte.
                      "Aurora Borealis" by Pelican.

Any more suggestions? By the amount of Italian Symphonic names I have been given, it seems I should move into that area.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2006 at 02:13
i might reccomend a bit of early kansas...maybe song for america (its a sampler on the site and u might enjoy it)
 
also if u like more ambient symphonic try aether (sample on the site as well)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2006 at 02:42
Well, all the obvious have been mentioned, here some good Symphonic recommendations besides Yes, Genesis, ELP and similar:
 
1.- Anglagard: Hybris (Try Epilog later)
2.- Par Lind Project: Gothic Impressions and Vini Vidi Vici
3.- Petrus Castrus (Portugal): Ascençăo e Queda
4.- Frágil (Perú): Avenida Larco
5.- Pablo el Enterrador (Argentina): Pablo el Enterrador
6.- Trespass (Israel): In Haze of Time
7.- Steve Hackett: Voyage of the Acolyte
8.- Mona Lisa: Avant Qu'il Ne Soit Trop Tard
9.- Jeff Wayne: The War of te Worlds
10.- Rick Wakeman: Criminal Record

 
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