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avestin
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 12:35 | |
I saw a reference to a Japanese Zeuhl band which isn't listed in PA called AMYGDALA. Has anyone here heard their music?
I know of their s/t album which was released through SOLEIL ZEUHL. Another one is the French musician FRANCOIS THOLLOT. His albums are released in the same label and he is also described as making Zeuhl music. Anyone familiar? What about OLIVE MESS ? Listed here but with no biography and no reviews. Any info on the above artists would be appreciated. Edited by avestin - July 11 2006 at 12:37 |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 14:32 | |
Thanks for the mentions on Miriodor guys.
Yes, your description is perfect, Assaf. I heard some Turkish/Eastern sounds in there, as well as jazz and even some Harmonium (they're both Québécois bands after all, so it's hard for Miriodor not to have heard Si on avait...). Excellent stuff and as you said, most of the time rather cheerful. A few tracks are quite haunting, but in a happier way. One track in particular "L'allée des martyrs/Road to Martyrdom" is especially joyful. I shall try and get the self-titled next. |
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Apsalar
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 14:36 | |
Here is a Bio which I wrote up a while back.. which I submitted, I guess it will just take sometime for it to go through the works. Olive Mess In November 1998 Denis Arsenin (Bass), Edgar Kempish (drums) and Alexey Syomin (guitar) played their first joint rehearsal, leading to the formation of the Latvian band OLIVE MESS. The group named themselves in honour of the French 20th century composer Olivie Messian. For two years the band remained a three piece. Regularly performing at the music club called “Saxophone”, where they would play covers of King Crimson along with many of their own compositions. In March 2001 the group released their first recording “Live without Audience” which pretty much acted as a demo. With the track “1572 (part II)” we start to see the group’s interest in Medieval French history. With the compositional basis formed around “St. Bartholomew’s day Massacre” occurring on August 23, 1572. Later in 2001, the remaining members joined the group; including Ilze Paegle (classical trained soprano singer), Lilija Voronova (keyboards) and Sergey Syomin (Archlute, Baroque guitar). Now a full band the group prepared to start recording for their album “Gramercy” under the French label Soleil Zeuhl. The album consists of 5 long compositions. OLIVE MESS encompasses many elements in to their music; shifting between traditional medieval folk music and passages of complex avant-garde which hint strongly towards their King Crimson and Univers Zero influences. The album consists of 5 long compositions with Lyrics mainly focus on historical events in medieval France. Well worth the investigation for those looking for something adventurous and highly original Hope this is of some help, unfortunately I have not heard the other two bands. |
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eugene
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 30 2005 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 2703 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 15:04 | |
I am listening at the moment to quite an amazing music. As this is first listen, I am not ready to discuss it in details at the moment, but as long as this is "drop-in centre", I thought I rather metion the band now. Indonesian (repeat Indonesian) RIO/avant band called Discus. I just bought their first album called "1st" and it's playing right now. Anyone who is familiar with this band and this particular album is welcome with his/her comments about them.
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Fourside
Forum Groupie Joined: May 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 63 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 15:08 | |
Discus is a completely bizarre mixture, how they combined tasty RIO treats and pukey Asian pop in one album will always baffle me. Condissonance, System Manipulation, Violin Metaphysics, Doc's Tune, etc... all great pieces. But For This Love? Wujudkan? Anugerah? Blahhhh (I must admit however I really enjoy listening to Dua Cermin) |
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eugene
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 30 2005 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 2703 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 15:13 | |
yeah, I am now at track 6 - Wujudkan - the song should/can only be listened to in the context of an album, I guess, as otherwise it's unbearable pop.
...interesting.....
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carefulwiththataxe
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Fourside
Forum Groupie Joined: May 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 63 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 15:18 | |
They are a very interesting band indeed. What are your opinions on Condissonance, IMO that is quite a perfect song. So open and playful and organic for a RIO song. If you are really enjoying this go out and get yourself their second album Tot Licht! which is almost devoid of the pukey Asian pop (however it contains some GOD AWFUL album artwork). I believe they also have an upcoming new album on the way!! |
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Syzygy
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 15:31 | |
I seem to remember posting something about Amygdala a few weeks ago. They're a duo, and everything on their debut album is synth generated aside from lead guitar and some non synth keyboards. I actually quite liked it when I first heard it as background music, but it did not stand up quite so well to close listening. It's very Magma-esque, but if you're not keen on artificially generated drums it's probably best avoided.
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Apsalar
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 15:39 | |
Ah yes thanks for the refreashing of memory I was the one who asked about them in the first place . Assaf if you want to look at some of their material there are a few mp3's on the Soleil Zeuhl website. From the descriptions Syzygy it does sound like these are a bit deceiving so I would be wary when trying these guys out. |
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Apsalar
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 16:20 | |
After Assaf's query about Francois Thollot, it made me think this name sounded very farmilar. And this was to be some what correct. I was having a look through some of my CD's and came across a compilation album containing about 15 rare recordings from various bands. I don't know if these two names have any ties. But I bumped into Jacques Thollot, another french musican. This is a quite a good CD and somewhat progressive. So I decided to put it on for another spin only to plesantly surprised with a very good CD. Anyway here is some information.
Jacques Thollot - Quand le son devient aigu, jeter la girafe à la mer (which translates nicely to: When the sound becomes acute, to throw the giraffe with the sea) 1/ Cécile (3:55) 2/ Position Stagnante de Réaction Stationnaire (1:25) Enlevez les Boutons, le Croiseur se Désagrège (2:22) 4/ Mahagony Extraits (3:07) 5/ Qu'ils se Fassent un Village, ou Bien c'est Nous qui s'en allons (2:17) 6/ Aussi Long que Large (5:06) 7/ Quiet Days in Prison (2:43) 8/ De D.C. par J.T. (1:34) 9/ Virginie ou Le Manque de Tact (3:42) 10/ N.G.A. (1:19) 11/ Aussi Large que Long (9:47) 12/ Quand Le Son Devient Aigu, Jeter la Girafe à la Mer (4:51) 13/ Marche (1:18) 14/ A Suivre (0:32) Recording Studio Europasonor, Gaîté, Paris, March 8, 1971 Line up Jacques Thollot (battery, percussions, piano, organ, violin, effects electronic) A translated review from www.gutsofdarkness.com Progmonster progressive jazz//unclassable UFO Enormous album that this “When the Sound Becomes Acute, Jeter the Giraffe with the Sea”. Enormous by the title, the surrealist approach, and the excellence of its matter. Extremely snuffed for its scarcity (like much of discs published on the Futura label), it is born finally in republication Cd for the greatest happiness of some nostalgic and especially, I hope for it, of good numbers of curious, always ready to be sent across the ears musical parts on which time does not have a catch. Fruit of the work of the only Jacques Thollot, beater of his state, which revêt here all the caps, the album has paces of dreams hallucinogens powdered with connotations jazz largely inspired of the free. What does not prevent it from surprising us, initially, for better grabbing us, in the second time, with its boîteuses melodies, adulterated, rearranged by, accelerated, recomposed triturated magnetic tapes and/or decelerated (“Remove the Buttons, the Cruiser Disaggregates”). There with a saving in means suitable for the technology of time, Thollot draws perhaps without the knowledge what two decades later the cantors of the electronic abstraction will évertueront themselves to create while pressing only on the Enter key of their computer (splendid “the Cecile”). One comes very close to chamber music on “Calm Days in Prison” and his plaintive violin behind piano always such a solemn, when it is not shown feverish and cheating in percussives attacks in Cecil Taylor (“As Broad as Long”). A point of progressive approach in these alambiquées constructions (the very short “N.G.A.” or “To follow”, or the beach titrate, relatively Zappaesque). In the majority of the cases, most of the titles presented here remain a single opportunity for the beater to show all its know-how behind barrels and cymbals, armed with brushes or rods. A properly unclassable disc, which must as much with the jazz as with the contemporary music, with the progressive music that with the first steps of the electronic music. |
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avestin
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 17:18 | |
I have their album Tot Licht. I heard them likened to the Indonesian Mr Bungle. Not an exact comparison but not far fetched as well. They are less experimental than Bungle but they are as enetertaining. But I find that after several listens it loses its magic a bit and becomes a bit dull. Worthwhile listening to, however. |
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eugene
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 30 2005 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 2703 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 17:35 | |
Thanks. The album I have is very varied indeed, and probably not in a good sense of this word. I mean they are coming from deep complex tracks into very shallow poppish ones, then brilliant jazzy avant stuff again, and then again something unworthy. It's all very very interesting neverthless. Uneven, but interesting. Really glad I bought it.
Now I have to get their second album "Tot licht", I guess?
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Apsalar
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
Posted: July 12 2006 at 03:41 | |
I'm not sure if anybody is going to get an interest out of this but I thought I would show everybody an album I have been listening to over the last week. This might interest people into experimental music, so I thought this would be the perfect place for this.
U.S Steel Cello Ensemble This is a recording of a concert by Robert Rutman and his steel cello's recorded sometime in the late 70's at a New York Art Gallery. If you are unfamiliar with the Steel Cello Ensemble, it's basically a few people playing large sheets of metal which produce totaly amazing, spooky, droning outer-space sounds. Very much in the same league as Bertoia's sound sculptures. And here are some pictures of the "cello's" themselves. |
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eugene
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 08:17 | |
TAYLOR'S UNIVERSE
Does anybody here know this band??????????
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Apsalar
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 08:55 | |
No I am afraid not. Are you at all farmilar with this band? Heard any of their CD's?
I was having a look around and found some interesting links though, so I though they might be helpful. www.progressor.net/review/taylors_universe_overall.html www.cdbaby.com/cd/robintaylor5 www.progressor.net/robin-taylor/index.htm |
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eugene
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 12:07 | |
I received their album "Experi-mental Health" with Karsten Vogel couple of days ago, and from first couple of listens I liked it a lot - quite interesting and complex RIO/avant with jazzy parts. Saxes crazyness (but not cacophony) here and there. Need to listen to it more times to go into details. Meantime my brother in law borrowed it from me, and I was just curious if anyone here among RIO/avant experts heard about this prominent band, as they are in existence for quite a while already.
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progreviews
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 21 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 271 |
Posted: July 12 2006 at 14:10 | |
I think I responded to this the last time - I have their album and am pretty underwhelmed by it. Abrasive keyboard sounds, programmed drums, and underwhelming compositions. I'd say avoid it.
Ha, another band I don't really like all that much. I have both their albums and while they are definitely unique, they are just so stylistically aimless that they come off sounding like a cheap gimmick band. Some of the longer pieces have some cool ideas and I really want them to do the whole gamelan-symphonic prog thing well, but there's too much crap in there. And the pseudo-death metal vox on Tot Licht ("better watch out 'cause I'm gonna kick your ass dude!") are just embarrassing. Edited by progreviews - July 12 2006 at 14:11 |
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avestin
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 15:51 | |
I'm taking advantage of my last hours of freedom. Not really in the mood to post anythin, but I thought you might be interested in this.
Take a look here. It is an alphabetical list of Avant/RIO albums by someone on RateYourMusic. There are some bands there we haven't mentioned here, plus some I don't yet know. http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Manuriel/avant__prog___zeuhl___rio/ |
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avestin
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 16:43 | |
Chris (Syzygy) has posted his review of This Heat - Deceit.
It can be read here: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=83580 |
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Syzygy
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 17:01 | |
Your last hours of freedom? I hope you mean that in a good way, and that you'll still be around - or did I miss something?
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