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GoldenSpiral 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3839 |
 Posted: July 10 2006 at 14:01 |
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yeah, but some effort and thought needs to be put into it. a review could simply say "this album sucks" and be no more helpful than a rating without a review.
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Spiderprog
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Joined: March 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 104 |
Posted: July 10 2006 at 22:00 |
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The album is an incredible triumph. There are tracks in it such as "Day of the Baphomets" that are, in my opinion, some of the best prog music ever recorded.
The compositions are so complex and the orchestration is so dense... I think it's their best album and establishes them as the most creative and advanced band currently active. With this album they joined my personal pantheon of prog which includes Yes, Genesis, VDGG and Banco. I can't wait to see them perform this live...  |
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Ghandi 2
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Joined: February 17 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1494 |
Posted: July 10 2006 at 22:27 |
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Link "It's" is the contraction for "it is."
Some people thought I was just being an elistist grammar snob jerk, but they were wrong; there actually are people who just don't know. Grammar really should be a seperate class in more schools.
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Myxomatosis
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Joined: July 09 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 00:01 |
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I'm not ready to write a review yet. I've had this album for several days now and have given it several listens. This one is going to divide the hardcore fans big time. It's such a grand prog album. One of the best in a while. These guys are the new wave of YES/Criomson.
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Look around...Choose your own ground
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stonebeard
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Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 00:09 |
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Has the album been formally released yet?
If not, then delete all ratings until it's released.
This pisses me off. I don't care if it's exactly the same as the one that will come out, but if it's not been formally released and people start reviewing it, I think the album should be taken off PA.
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Ghandi 2
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Joined: February 17 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1494 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 00:53 |
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No, stonebeard, it's not released until August 22. I agree; there is no reason for this album to be on PA until it is released. king volta's is the only good review, and I'm sure that he has it saved somewhere else.
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Zac M
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Posted: July 11 2006 at 01:02 |
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I agree fully.
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"Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression."
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eugene
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Joined: May 30 2005 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 2703 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 04:56 |
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Oh yeah, and "separate" contains two "a", as well.
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Logos
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Joined: March 08 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 2383 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 05:20 |
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It's pretty strange that any kind of illegal activities are not allowed on the forum, yet people are free to review albums that haven't been released yet, albums they've illegally downloaded.
Delete all the reviews now, this album is not out yet. This should also be the common procedure with all future releases. As it is, Prog Archives does accept illegal downloading, whatever fancy words you admins write here on the forums. |
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Cheesecakemouse
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 1751 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 05:32 |
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So it is officially released on 22 August, can't wait, is that a global release or just a US/Europe release? |
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Aaron
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Joined: April 08 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 395 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 12:03 |
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right right, i think i use it correctly now that i think of it
but i do agree with you, grammar should be a separate class
Aaron
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dagrush
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Joined: March 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 537 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 14:01 |
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I'm in Canada, it's not illegal here. |
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laplace
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Joined: October 06 2005 Location: popupControl(); Status: Offline Points: 7606 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 16:01 |
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it reminds me a lot of Tremulant EP. I don't see anything that HOOKS me as much as anything on the first two albums but then that might be good, I found they both suffer from overplaying.
guy's really evolving as a guitar player, we can't just call him Fripptana anymore. |
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Moatilliatta
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Joined: December 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3083 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 19:31 |
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I do as well.
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DeepPhreeze
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Joined: April 02 2006 Status: Offline Points: 261 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 19:42 |
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I think people deserve to know ahead of time whether or not this album is any good.
Having listened to it twice, I can honestly say that if I'd [waited and] spent the $20 on the CD I'd feel pretty ripped off. That's a good-sized bag of weed right there that could have seen me through Syd Barrett's entire Discography. And most review sites don't do a good job of reviewing albums --- they let the craze get to them. It's how bands like Green Day and Blink 182 managed to last so long. Hype rules all, and on Prog Archives I think it's a good thing when people get to decide ahead of time what's worth their money and what isn't. |
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Atkingani
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: October 21 2005 Location: Terra Brasilis Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 20:10 |
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Not the way the orchestra plays...
 1. CDs (just like movies) are sometimes released first outside the "world" (Europe/North America) for several merchandise reasons.
2. In the case of new CDs, many bands (or labels) intentionally let them leak to feel the wrist of future buyers and also to guarantee a bunch of positive reviews (generally those first to review are die hard fans and the ratings are high).
3. That way, not all copies are illegal and not all reviewers are acting illegally.
Hence, the Admins, Collabs and Forum Members of PA use to do a research before shooting astray with the danger not only missing the target but hitting innocent people.
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kingofbizzare
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Joined: March 09 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 520 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 22:43 |
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Even if an album isn't "out" yet, that doesn't mean you can't get a legal copy of it. For example, my local new/used vinyl and CD shop almost always has copies of an album for sale the Friday before it's "officially" released. I bought the new Muse album on Friday, even though it technically wasn't released until today. I'm sure other places do this too.
I think reviews of an album should be allowed within a week before it's release. Legal copies of it can be found around that time and it'll give people who downloaded it earlier time to digest it more and be able to give an accurate review.
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stonebeard
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Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 22:47 |
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Well, promo copies are legal copies to a degree. You can't sell or trade them (or at least we couldn't when I was working at a student radio station), but they are formally released by the company, unlike leaked illegal copies.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: July 11 2006 at 23:38 |
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What is it about August 22nd?
Three albums are coming out that day that I want. Gov't Mule's new one, White Willow's new one and now TMV's new one. Weird! It shall be a busy end of month for me! As for reviews, I agree with Stonie, et al., albums shouldn't be reviewed before an album has been released, unless someone has officially been sent a promotional copy (because they're a reviewer or something). Edited by Geck0 - July 11 2006 at 23:39 |
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Logos
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Joined: March 08 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 2383 |
Posted: July 12 2006 at 13:20 |
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That's all wrong in this case, I'm afraid. The Mars Volta have published one song - Viscera Eyes - on their MySpace site. Obviously they wanted to give the public a little taste of what to expect. But not the whole album! They have NOT and will NOT let the album leak intentionally. All leaks are illegal. Yes, you're probably right that it depends on the case but in this case all reviews and ratings should be deleted. Until that Prog Archives officially accepts illegal downloading. No matter what you say. If that's fine, then so be it. But please, if you delete everything that is even remotely related to illegal file sharing activities here on the forum, at least act consistently and do so on the main site as well. Otherwise it's just ridiculous and seriously affects your credibility, at least in my eyes. Nothing personal here, Atkingani. Just how I feel. |
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