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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 16:31
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Decibel is a good band. Although I have heard the albums two times, I've noticed they have strong space rock sound even though they are a RIO band. The album is pretty laid back and not quirky or anything like it. I can see alot of Krautrock fans liking this band.Any other thoughts?


It has been a while since I have listed to the album, but from what I remember most of what you said is pretty correct. I will have a listen to it sometime soon and write some more about it later.
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 16:37
Well I believe he's more minimalistic in terms of voice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Walker_%28singer%29


His two most recent albums are classed as "avant-garde/experimental".

He's not prog though by the way. As I said, it's more in his voice technique that he experiments.

He also seems to have done an album of Jacques Brel covers.  Interesting (for Sean Trane anyhow).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 16:40
I will have to look more into it. I'm always interested in person who experiment with music. I think this is why RIO and Kraut Rock are my favourite genres.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 16:48
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Well I believe he's more minamilistic in terms of voice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Walker_%28singer%29


His two most recent albums are classed as "avant-garde/experimental".

He's not prog though by the way. As I said, it's more in his voice technique that he experiments.

He also seems to have done an album of Jacques Brel covers.  Interesting (for Sean Trane anyhow).


I like Brel as well.

If you want an artist experimenting with their voice you shuold try Diamnda Galas.
www.diamandagalas.com

She has a very special deep, despairing voice which she plays with very skillfully.
Her music is prog-related  and experimental. It changes from one album to the other, but mainly she likes to accompany herself with a piano and a large part of her art is the show she does that completes the music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 17:31
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Well I believe he's more minamilistic in terms of voice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Walker_%28singer%29


His two most recent albums are classed as "avant-garde/experimental".

He's not prog though by the way. As I said, it's more in his voice technique that he experiments.

He also seems to have done an album of Jacques Brel covers.  Interesting (for Sean Trane anyhow).


I like Brel as well.

If you want an artist experimenting with their voice you shuold try Diamnda Galas.
www.diamandagalas.com

She has a very special deep, despairing voice which she plays with very skillfully.
Her music is prog-related  and experimental. It changes from one album to the other, but mainly she likes to accompany herself with a piano and a large part of her art is the show she does that completes the music.
 
The Brel Album is actually compiled from his 60s solo albums Scott 1 -3. These included a mixture of covers and originals, with no less than 9 Brel songs across the 3 albums (the classic Scott 4 was entirely originals). Jacques Brel himself approved of both the translations of his lyrics and Scott's interpretations, which apparently wasn't always the case.
 
Scott's first 4 solo albums are well worth investigating, by the way - by the time you get to Scott 4 you're deep into the rarely explored avant-lounge territiory. His 1980s album Tilt (coming after the Walker Brother's 70s comeback) moves more in the direction of his last 2 albums, and is also worth a listen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 21:15
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 21:16
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Decibel is a good band. Although I have heard the albums two times, I've noticed they have strong space rock sound even though they are a RIO band. The album is pretty laid back and not quirky or anything like it. I can see alot of Krautrock fans liking this band.

Any other thoughts?


I haven't heard (of) them myself. I added them to the chart though:

http://www.ratingfreak.com/go/mer/($eUVq6FlUPAVGUblVBfBlIA$)/s,showPage,9_q1klWYtB,cxW0_xC1mxqZ6JrYc_a2_NrLmFa386WYmRH,4Fa0jtW3hxW2nB,8xa0nVX0_JH,nB,_tG.xhtml


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 22:14
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Decibel is a good band. Although I have heard the albums two times, I've noticed they have strong space rock sound even though they are a RIO band. The album is pretty laid back and not quirky or anything like it. I can see alot of Krautrock fans liking this band.

Any other thoughts?


I haven't heard (of) them myself. I added them to the chart though:

http://www.ratingfreak.com/go/mer/($eUVq6FlUPAVGUblVBfBlIA$)/s,showPage,9_q1klWYtB,cxW0_xC1mxqZ6JrYc_a2_NrLmFa386WYmRH,4Fa0jtW3hxW2nB,8xa0nVX0_JH,nB,_tG.xhtml
 
Thanks, great news, have known them for a while. Then I went to have a look at what other people thought of them on this site and found out they are not here. It will be interesting to see what you guys think of them. Mexico is not exactly the home RIO if you know what I mean but they have come up with a quite decent album here. I have not heard their other albums but "EL Poeta Del Ruido" is sited as their best album.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 22:18
PM me if you would like to check them out. Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 14:22
A few recommendations, based on what I've listened to today:
 
John Zorn - Spy Vs. Spy - The Music Of Ornette Coleman
 
John here teams with Tim Berne(he's a good guy), and a rhythm section of a bassist and a couple of drummers. What you get on this record is intense playing of 17 Ornette Coleman's songs, with grindcore energy and prog-rock precision. While the concept is fun, it is pretty hard to make it through the whole record, because they rarely slow down or change the sounding. But what especially shines on this record is... the sax playing! The base melodies by ornette are very playful, and the improvisations rarely sounded better. The drumming is intense as well. Overall it doesn't have the wide range of styles covered by other bands, or anything to do with avantgarde music, but it is a very good record in it's style.
 
Patricia Dallio - Barbe Bleue
A solo album, by pianist and composer from Art Zoyd. Apparently it is a score for a play based on 'the Blue Beard'(or whatever that tale was called). This fact however does not limit the music at all as it's superb. Constructed of rather short movements which move between 1 till 8 minutes, with occasional vocals reading texts, but mostly instrumental. A look at the credits reveals that Patricio is responsible for programming, samplers and keyboards, and only a few singers working on the project. And the results are surprising since the works features many moods, sounds and has strong compositions with only her behind this all. Impressive to say the least! So, a question you've been asking until now: how close to Art Zoyd does it sound, and the answer is, that the music is in the same territory as late Art Zoyd's, but much more gentle and balanced between the electronics and the acoustic instruments, never going into unnecessary 'sound explorations.' Planning to listen to more of her work, and recommending this album to everyone.
 
Anthony Braxton - Five Compositions (Quartet), 1986
This was interesting because in Zorn's biography I've read that Anthony Braxton was an inspiration for John. The music here is somewhere between jazz and modern classical. The musique can be called unique, both because the compositions are of very unusual form, and the overall sound is unusual. Problem 'getting' the music on this album is that unlike some avant garde music which often aims to hit you in the face, this music simply goes somewhere, and what you hear is the path Anthony Braxton walks by, it is never as it was before but not in an entirely new place either. Anyways, he seems to be a very important figure in music, and you should check him out.
 
Mephista - Entomological Reflections
A trio of Susie Ibarra(drums), Sylvie Courvoisier(piano) and Ikue Mori(electronics). This is dense and experimental music from three masters in their respective fields. Released on Tzadik, this music completely fits, it is unclassifiable, experimental, having both improvisation and composition, mixed up and coming with something completely unique. While could have sounded like a big mess, the girls play very tight, while constantly experimentating, like playing inside the piano, or applying electronics to others playing to produce unusual results. It seems to be a short record, but one song could be nightmarishly long for those who do not 'understand'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 20:02
I've just finished listening to Miriodor - Rencontres (Encounters) and quite liked it.

However, I'm not absolutely sure whether it's RIO/Avant-Prog or not.  I found it rather jazzy with some avant moments.  Very easy on the ear too and not at all demanding.

Does anyone know whether their later albums are more avant-garde?

Also, your thoughts on this particular album are welcomed as well.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 20:34
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:


I've just finished listening to Miriodor - Rencontres (Encounters) and quite liked it.However, I'm not absolutely sure whether it's RIO/Avant-Prog or not.  I found it rather jazzy with some avant moments.  Very easy on the ear too and not at all demanding.Does anyone know whether their later albums are more avant-garde?Also, your thoughts on this particular album are welcomed as well.


I still only have heard a few songs by this band. Mostly their later stuff which sounded quite RIO orientated to me. On Cuneiform records there is selection of about 5 songs spanning their career so this should give you little idea what their current albums are like.

I was so close to buying "Jongleries Elastiques" when I was in Russia last (I brought about 20 CD's in one day over there ) it was sitting on the shelf and the cover looks so farmilar yet I had no idea who the band was at the time. Upon getting back I did some research and found more out about the band and was quite disappointed I didn't pick it up. I mean when is the next time I am going to see a Miriodor CD stting in a store?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 20:38
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Patricia Dallio - Barbe Bleue

A solo album, by pianist and composer from Art Zoyd. Apparently it is a score for a play based on 'the Blue Beard'(or whatever that tale was called). This fact however does not limit the music at all as it's superb. Constructed of rather short movements which move between 1 till 8 minutes, with occasional vocals reading texts, but mostly instrumental. A look at the credits reveals that Patricio is responsible for programming, samplers and keyboards, and only a few singers working on the project. And the results are surprising since the works features many moods, sounds and has strong compositions with only her behind this all. Impressive to say the least! So, a question you've been asking until now: how close to Art Zoyd does it sound, and the answer is, that the music is in the same territory as late Art Zoyd's, but much more gentle and balanced between the electronics and the acoustic instruments, never going into unnecessary 'sound explorations.' Planning to listen to more of her work, and recommending this album to everyone.


Wow thanks for all those recommendations, especially in the detail you have gone into. 'Patricia Dallio - Barbe Bleue' is the one which has stuck out for me. I have follow here work closly in Art Zoyd, and have read much about her on the Art Zoyd page but have never gotten around to listening to her material. After this recommendation I think it will be inevitable for me to try and track down some of her works. Thanks you for refreshing my memory on yet another artist I have been meaning to check out.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 01:21
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I've just finished listening to Miriodor - Rencontres (Encounters) and quite liked it.

However, I'm not absolutely sure whether it's RIO/Avant-Prog or not.  I found it rather jazzy with some avant moments.  Very easy on the ear too and not at all demanding.

Does anyone know whether their later albums are more avant-garde?

Also, your thoughts on this particular album are welcomed as well.
 
I don't know Recontres, but I do have Jongleries Elastiques and Mekano and I also have Parade but I haven't properly listened to it yet, so I won't comment on that album.
Those two have a typical Miriodor sound which means a melange of different sounds as jazz, ethnic (gypsy) music, some rock moments, classical music leanings and then some. Their music is not complex and quite accessible imo, as opposed to say, Thinking Plague which has layers of sounds in their music created by the instruments playing seemingly contradicting tunes that with each play sound more and more appropriate together and you can perceive more of the music. With Miriodor, there is also depth to the music, but in another way than ThPl and other of that style. Their music can remid you of circus music at times, due to its apparent siliness and at other times it can have a more serious tone. But most of the time it is music that gives you the feeling that the musicians are enjoying themselves and have fun. This is why their albums are mostly not depresing as others in this genre, but they still have a weird feeling in them, as if you have enetered another realm, penetrated into the minds of some weird people. Just look at the story in pictures in the booklet of Mekano or at other pictures of the band memmbers and you'll see what I mean.
Of hose two I prefer Jongleries. I like better the melodies and it is more interesting than Mekano. Mekano seems to lose some of its power of attraction after half the album, but it is still a good release. I think I am in a minority here, cause it seems that most prefer Mekano.
I said I wouldn't but from what I remember from Parade, it was very good and a slight change for the better than Mekano. Plus it has a Live at Nearfest 2002  cd with it.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 04:41
I have their self-titled and Jongleries Elastiques - pure RIO/avant to me, although quite accessible and very exciting.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 06:07
Adam, good review on Potemkine - Triton.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 07:37
Aww thanks

Do you have this album? What do you think? Do you agree with the statements I made? I do think I would be a great step into Zeuhl for people who are to frigthened to go the whole way. Though I do find this more of a Jazz fusion album rather than a solely Zeuhl orientated album. I would be interested to know what other people think about this view?

Anyway I'm off to bed now, up for an early start so I should be heading off. I will reply when I get up in the morning.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 07:56
^^^
I don't have it. I heard some bits of it a while ago, and liked it. You review reminded me that I should get it in one of my future purchases.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 10:02
Interesting again - I never considered Potemkin to be Zeuhl - jazz-rock fusion - that's what I thought. Now I am prompted to relisten to two albums I have, namely Triton and Nicolas II, again, and I will probably find Zeuhl influences in itSmile.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 10:24
I just digged out Nicolas II and Triton and discovered that were released under "Soleil Zeuhl" label (numbers 05 and 04 respectively). By the time I got these albums (long time ago) I was not familiar with term "Zeuhl" at all, that's why Potemkin is not assosiated with Zeuhl for me. Thanks, Adam, for prompting me to rediscover this band again (now under Zeuhl label)LOL.
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