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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 09:23
Thanks vogre for all the information, have been having some real trouble trying to find any information whatsoever on the band so this is a good start. I will have a read through the Record Heaven article sometime soon. A lot of read but I interested in this scene so I think it is going to be work my while.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 09:29
I would like to bring to the attention to the Mexican RIO band called Decibel. For what I can see they are not the site but from what I have read they were one of the bands to join the moment.

Here is a little bit of information aboout the band, all four of their albums are available from:

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"A Chamber/Experimental/RIO & Progressive rock band from Mexico. The band started in 1974 as a trio and then they became a sextet. The band were influenced by European acts like Magma, Faust, Henry Cow and also by Avant-Garde composers like Pierre Henry, Kagel, Stockhausen. In 1978 they recorded their masterpiece 'El Poeta Del Ruido' which is considered by many as a Masterpiece. They evolved then into Nazca and only in the 90's formed back. The box set features a 28 pages booklet in a thick carton box with three CD's (Each more then 74 minutes). CD #1 is made from the 70's and featured for the 1st time the complete unedited 'El Poeta Del Ruido', Unreleased UNAM sessions which one of them was on the ReR sampler and never on CD plus the 1st RIO Festival live performance. CD #2 features the 90's material including the bands favorite improvised album Furtuna Virilis and other unreleased material. CD #3 is a new live performance of new material never on CD and with great interest plus 30 minutes if Archives from the 1977-1978."

Also if people are interested you are able to have a bit of a listen to there acclaimed album "el Poeta del Ruido" on this site. You have to scroll down a little to find it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 17:06
Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Originally posted by Root Pepper Root Pepper wrote:

I am a HUGE HUGE HUGE Zorn fan. I could talk endlessly about him, and there's endless places to begin. If I can assist about Zorn in any way, I'd love too.
 
Ok then, maybe it's wrong to ask "HUGE HUGE HUGE Zorn fan", but what is your opinion about his Duo with Fred Frith, which I was talking about above. To me it sounds like guys taking a "micky" - I mean there is no music there and it sounds like a joke or something.
 
  


I think it's a REALLY awful idea to buy Zorn recordings on a whim. They cover every angle. I learned too that you never really just see a Zorn album in the store, form a preconcept of what it will be, and then buy it. If you're going to get some Zorn without knowing what it'll be beforehand, don't allow other musical ideas to get in your head. I don't own this recording myself because it's far too noisy for my liking, but I don't think it's any less of an album. It's a 100% improvised show Frith and Zorn did, and it's quite an interesting recording - just not worth enough repeated listens to own. For future reference, definitely sample Zorn recordings on amazon.com or something of the like before buying. His 50th ann. series vary all over the place, much of which are improvised noise like shows. Some crash and burn, but others, such as Hemophiliac or Painkiller (vol.s 6 an 12), shine brilliantly. This post is a little rushed (I have to be somewhere very soon!) but I hope it answers your question! I wanted to get back to you as quickly as possible.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 17:13
Originally posted by Root Pepper Root Pepper wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Originally posted by Root Pepper Root Pepper wrote:

I am a HUGE HUGE HUGE Zorn fan. I could talk endlessly about him, and there's endless places to begin. If I can assist about Zorn in any way, I'd love too.
 
Ok then, maybe it's wrong to ask "HUGE HUGE HUGE Zorn fan", but what is your opinion about his Duo with Fred Frith, which I was talking about above. To me it sounds like guys taking a "micky" - I mean there is no music there and it sounds like a joke or something.
 
  


I think it's a REALLY awful idea to buy Zorn recordings on a whim. They cover every angle. I learned too that you never really just see a Zorn album in the store, form a preconcept of what it will be, and then buy it. If you're going to get some Zorn without knowing what it'll be beforehand, don't allow other musical ideas to get in your head. I don't own this recording myself because it's far too noisy for my liking, but I don't think it's any less of an album. It's a 100% improvised show Frith and Zorn did, and it's quite an interesting recording - just not worth enough repeated listens to own. For future reference, definitely sample Zorn recordings on amazon.com or something of the like before buying. His 50th ann. series vary all over the place, much of which are improvised noise like shows. Some crash and burn, but others, such as Hemophiliac or Painkiller (vol.s 6 an 12), shine brilliantly. This post is a little rushed (I have to be somewhere very soon!) but I hope it answers your question! I wanted to get back to you as quickly as possible.
 
Well, thanks RP. If HUGE fan finds it to be "not worth enough repeated listens to own" and "noise like show" - I guess my first impresion was quite correct. I have no slightest regret in buying it - just wanted to check other people's opinion about it. It is far too noisy for my likings too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 04:35
In light of DallasBryan's recommendation of Material I thought this link could be of some interest.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 06:12
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

In light of DallasBryan's recommendation of Material I thought this link could be of some interest.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 06:14
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:




Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

My heart just skipped a beat them when you stated Douwe Eisenga has been likened to "Simeon ten Holt meets Yann Tiersen", that is going to be one hell of a sound. Simeon ten Holt is one of my favourite composers, I have a huge soft spot for pianists and minimalism so mixing the two together I was bound to like his work. When I first read over Yann Tiersen name it didn't mean much but was playing on my mind, then the mention of those two fantastic movies sparked my memory. I will have to watch Amelie sometime today to refresh myself on the specific style but I remember enjoying the soundtrack immensely (alongside the movie)... lust is the first word which comes to mind. It has been too long since I have seen "Goodbye Lenin" to comment on my thoughts about the pieces played in the movie.

I will have to give King Crimson another try. I have "In The Court of the Crimson King" and "Red" I heard so many RIO/avant prog artist likened to them, that I think it would be a shame if I were to let a band like this just slip by.     
Funny that you know Simeon ten Holt. I know him by name, but I don't really know his music (I have heard some, but I don't exactly remember - about time to refresh! ). Moreover, I didn't know he had some kind of reputation outide the Netherlands; I thought Louis Andriessen was much more well-known. About Yann Tiersen: I haven't seen Goodbye Lenin yet (shame on me, again), but I have seen Le Fabuleux Destin D'Amélie Poulin and I really liked that movie (AND the music). I recently saw Yann Tiersen live, on a festival for music that combined modern classical music and populare music. His concert was really good, but not fantastic. More important to mention, most of the stuff was nothing like the Amélie soundtrack. It was more like alternative/experimental rock, and I didn't know he played that kind of music as well (it was with a band). Pretty nice stuff... it was especially funny to see (and hear) one guy playing his electric guitar with an electrical drill.Anyway, I hope you like Douwe Eisenga.About King Crimson: you might want to try their "Larks' Tongues In Aspic" album, for the title track is one of their most experimental pieces of music. My personal favourite is "Discipline", but it has a lesser connection with Avant-Prog. King Crimson are influenced by the Talking Heads on that one, while keeping a distinctive own sound. But for now that's irrelevant; I think "Larks' Tongues" is the album that might get you "into" King Crimson.



Haha... he most likely does not have a reputatution outside, it probably just me. I only stumble upon him by accident I was searching Lastfm for minimalist piano composers and stumble on a thread solely dedicated to these types of composers. After doing a lot of searching he turned out to be one of my favourite ones. Unforunately I have not been able to get my hands on anything, as I mostly rely on what my store has in or is able to order and he doesn't seem to be available through either method.

Yes I think you should get around to watching "Goodbye Lenin" something everybody should watch both coming from the film in general and the music. I will not tell you what it is about, I assume you already know so I don't want to spoil anything for you.

Hmmm... that sounds like a wonderful concert. This is not live but I have seen somebody play their guitar with a drill before, you never know it could have been footage of the concert you went to.

Thanks for the information abotu King Crimson I will give them another good, maybe not right now as there is so much new stuff on my list thank to this thread.

I will get back to you soon what I think about Douwe Eisenga.
    


The internet certainly makes the world a lot smaller... somebody in Australia listening to Simeon ten Holt and Douwe Eisenga... who would've though it.

About the concert with the drill: it was not filmed, so you must've seen some other show. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 06:17
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Thank you, Joren for going into such indepth detail about all the works you own. I did find the time to read it, being a big John Zorn fan. I only have 5 of his albums, most of which I enjoy immensely (even if I have give some of them quite low ratings on here), but that being said his stuff is not for everybody.

Try giving Pool some more time, his game pieces are really something that take a lot of time and dedication to appreciate fully. They are unknown territory in contemporary music. I own Cobra which is his third game piece if I remember correctly. I think it took me a good two years to get into this album now even though I enjoy it greatly it is not one of those albums you would put into the player for days on end. I have done a review for this album and in hidesight am probably lucky to make it out the other side with my sanity. When reviewing it I listen to the album on repeat for a whole day which I would not recommend anybody test out for themselves.

Other than this Game piece I have a few albums which seem to tend towards the Art Rock side of things. These being "The Big Gun Down" and the seconded in the 'Romance series', which are both very commendable albums.

This is a very good guide to John Zorns material and has from what I have seen he has done a lot of experimental works with the ideals of pushing the boundries of instrumental technical and these are not the place to start with his works.

It seems we have a few John Zorn fanatics around here, so if you put all our information together we may be able to come up with a very complete ideal of all the works he has done over the years. I must wish you luck with your holiday task, it seems like you have a busy time ahead of you. If there very comes time when you need some help I'm sure there are many people on this thread who are will to give a helping hand.   


I'll keep on trying witht the game pieces, I'll keep on trying. Wink I will read your reviews as well; it should be interesting to read about another "fan"'s view on things.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 09:00
About Taal: I changed my mind and I think they are better off in Art Rock after all. The Prog Reviewers and other Collaborators are currently discussing their position at my request (fueled by the Taal thread). We'll see what happens after voting.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 09:02
How are enjoying Mister Greem, Joren?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 09:11
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

How are enjoying Mister Greem, Joren?


It's very nice, although I like Skymind better. Then again, I have only listened to Mr. Green once now, and I've played Skymind a few times already.

Anyway, IMO: Taal = nice, but not as good as some of the reviewers say. I think I agree with Hugues Chantraine's reviews (as I do surprisingly often Embarrassed), only I would consider rewarding Skymind with 3,5 or 4 stars.

Thanks to the people who "recommended" Wink the albums to me!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 09:25
Oh you need to listen to Mister Green more.  I prefer Skymind also (but it's a close call), but Mister Green is very rewarding.

Both albums are around 4.5 or so for me.  I find the opening track on Skymind drags on a bit too long, but apart from that, there aren't any real problems.

It's more progressive than many albums in my collection and possibly more progressive than many RIO/Avant-Prog albums too.

And I wouldn't really compare it to KC's LTiA!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 09:53
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Oh you need to listen to Mister Green more.  I prefer Skymind also (but it's a close call), but Mister Green is very rewarding.

Both albums are around 4.5 or so for me.  I find the opening track on Skymind drags on a bit too long, but apart from that, there aren't any real problems.

It's more progressive than many albums in my collection and possibly more progressive than many RIO/Avant-Prog albums too.

And I wouldn't really compare it to KC's LTiA!


I didn't mean to compare the actual music. I only meant the "avant-gardeness" (what a word LOL) of the material at hand. Taal's music is not as dissonant and foreboding as say, Univers Zero, but it's experimental in a way that LTiA is... then again LtiA is much older, so more avant-garde for that time. Taal is more of an eclectic band really... Anyway, I hope you know what I mean now... LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 12:37
Off topic for a second. We talked abuot Jewlia Eisenberg and Charming Hostess before and it appears she will perform here at the end of July with local musicians. The problem is I don't really know what to expect. It's not too expensve either (13-15$). But from what I heard by Charming Hostess, I am not convinced I shuold go. Plus, I am not sure my wife will go with me. She will perform in Belgium afterwards.

You can go back to Taal and the rest.

How about those atonalities, eh?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 12:39
Assaf, defend me about Taal in the Taal thread! LOL

Well, if she's with other musicians, she may not be that bad... can it really hurt?  You may miss out on something excellent, or you may witness something awful.  Take your pick!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 14:42
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:


Assaf, defend me about Taal in the Taal thread! Well, if she's with other musicians, she may not be that bad... can it really hurt?  You may miss out on something excellent, or you may witness something awful.  Take your pick!


I have seem there has been a little arguements in the Taal thread. But i Don't think I am going to be of much help

Assaf, with the concert, it's really is not that much. But for me I'm not really much of a concert goer if it is not a band that I love. If I think it is going to be risky I would prefer to spend the money on a new CD. But I guess the decision is up to you if it was me personally I would not bother going (to put it bluntly). Also I think I am the same with the Charming Hostess, listed to it a few times now and it really isnot doing much for me, though better than their later works.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 14:46
Also has anybody other that chamberry tried out Decibel? I'm not they're the best thing ever but they were a part of the RIO moment back in the late '70s early '80s, so they hold some historical values. I'm just surprise they seemingly have pretty much just been forgotten.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 16:13
To go off topic for a moment...

Adam, have you checked out Scott Walker's latest album?  I think this is rather minimalistic with it's sound and you may appreciate it.  Having said that, you may hate it!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 16:19
Decibel is a good band. Although I have heard the albums two times, I've noticed they have strong space rock sound even though they are a RIO band. The album is pretty laid back and not quirky or anything like it. I can see alot of Krautrock fans liking this band.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 16:29
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

To go off topic for a moment...Adam, have you checked out Scott Walker's latest album?  I think this is rather minimalistic with it's sound and you may appreciate it.  Having said that, you may hate it!


That name just went straight over my head. I cannot say I have have never heard of him before. Could you tell me a little about him? Minimalistic sounds good!

don't fear, even if I don't like him I will give reasoning to it. I not one to say things without backing.
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