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Haha, yes, she's a wonderful artist and I wish she'd get some commisions or something, as she's short of money.

Yes, I've come across JrKASperov (a chess fan I take it?), he seems cool enough, he's replied to a few of my posts before.

Geck0 wrote: Haha, yes, she's a wonderful artist and I wish she'd get some commisions or something, as she's short of money. Yes, I've come across JrKASperov (a chess fan I take it?), he seems cool enough, he's replied to a few of my posts before.

Too bad so many artists are short of money. The government should give them more subsidy!

JrKASperov is not a chess fan (that's Kasparov, with an "a"), it's just a play on his real name. He might seem cool enough, but I know him very well and he is very cool.

Joren wrote: When I was a kid, I hated classical music (it made me feel down), but there were two albums with (modern) classical music that I liked: Louis Andriessen's De Stijl/M Is For Man, Music, Mozart, and Possessed by the Balanescu Quartet. Louis Andriessen is one of the most well-known dutch composers and his music is influenced by the American minmalist composers, but more agressive and also incorporating popular music and jazz influences. Highly recommended. "Possessed" is a great CD of The Balanescu Quartet playing Kraftwerk covers and some of Balanescu's own works (and a David Byrn cover, if I remember correctly). The Kraftwerk covers work wonderfully well. I may be a bit biased though, because when I first heard these covers I had never heard any Kraftwerk so I thought these pieces were written for this string quartet. Here's the cover:

I forgot to add: If anyone is interested in hearing this, send me a PM.

Joren wrote: Black Velvet wrote: Hello, and welcome back ... I don't think we have crossed paths before but I guess you have picked up I visit this thread a lot. Anyway now having heard both Taal albums in there entirety I would definately have to agree with their inclusion in the RIO/avant section. I couldn't be seeing them in prog metal and luckly they are not as they would be overshadowed by the wealth of bands now in that sub-genre. You will have to get listening to a full album, I'm rather new to them as well. Though I was not overly sold as of yet on Skymind I'm rather enjoying Mister Green which I think is a good start.      I also have been getting into Steve Martland and Louis Andriessen's work, which is you are indirectly responsible for. So thank you 1. Thanks for the welcome, Black Velvet. I have indeed read some of your posts and, although I don't yet know you very well, I noticed you have some impressive knowledge about avant-garde music. 2. I have just heard Skymind in its entirety for the first time, and I must say I'm slightly moving the other way... I feel they would also fit nicely into Art Rock. The King Crimson influence is clearly there, and there are also some hints at folk and metal music. Then again, I still feel they are not completely out of place in RIO/Avant-Prog and it's a good thing they are not overshadowed there, like you said. 3. Yes, I'm certainly responsible for that. I'm glad you like Martland and Andriessen. Have you heard Douwe Eisenga's work as well? (If not, send me a PM )

Thank you for the immense compliment. I'm always happy to share my knowledge with other people and there is no other place better than this thread. Unlike most places where I try and show people the music I love, the reaction is usualy a strange look and them searching for their car keys

With Taal you are going to have to try out Mister Green sometime I think James will enforce this idea as well. When people liken bands to King Crimson it usually goes straight over my head. I have two CD's by them which never get played... maybe I should do something about that

No I have not heard of Douwe Eisenga I'm assuming he is another Dutch composer of similar style to the two you mentioned before? If so I am very interested.

Oh... I'm looking forward to your post on John Zorn. I only know limit knowledge about his music. Which is pretty much focused around the CD's I own. Though I have done a few reviews on some of his albums if you are interested in a light read.   

Black Velvet wrote: Joren wrote: Black Velvet wrote: Hello, and welcome back ... I don't think we have crossed paths before but I guess you have picked up I visit this thread a lot. Anyway now having heard both Taal albums in there entirety I would definately have to agree with their inclusion in the RIO/avant section. I couldn't be seeing them in prog metal and luckly they are not as they would be overshadowed by the wealth of bands now in that sub-genre. You will have to get listening to a full album, I'm rather new to them as well. Though I was not overly sold as of yet on Skymind I'm rather enjoying Mister Green which I think is a good start.      I also have been getting into Steve Martland and Louis Andriessen's work, which is you are indirectly responsible for. So thank you 1. Thanks for the welcome, Black Velvet. I have indeed read some of your posts and, although I don't yet know you very well, I noticed you have some impressive knowledge about avant-garde music. 2. I have just heard Skymind in its entirety for the first time, and I must say I'm slightly moving the other way... I feel they would also fit nicely into Art Rock. The King Crimson influence is clearly there, and there are also some hints at folk and metal music. Then again, I still feel they are not completely out of place in RIO/Avant-Prog and it's a good thing they are not overshadowed there, like you said. 3. Yes, I'm certainly responsible for that. I'm glad you like Martland and Andriessen. Have you heard Douwe Eisenga's work as well? (If not, send me a PM ) Thank you for the immense compliment. I'm always happy to share my knowledge with other people and there is no other place better than this thread. Unlike most places where I try and show people the music I love, the reaction is usualy a strange look and them searching for their car keys With Taal you are going to have to try out Mister Green sometime I think James will enforce this idea as well. When people liken bands to King Crimson it usually goes straight over my head. I have two CD's by them which never get played... maybe I should do something about that No I have not heard of Douwe Eisenga I'm assuming he is another Dutch composer of similar style to the two you mentioned before? If so I am very interested. Oh... I'm looking forward to your post on John Zorn. I only know limit knowledge about his music. Which is pretty much focused around the CD's I own. Though I have done a few reviews on some of his albums if you are interested in a light read.

Thanks for the tip! I will try to find Mister Green.

You are really missing out on King Crimson though. I find some of their music a bit difficult to listen to (pretty strange, because I'm used to a lot of strange stuff) - I think it has something to do with their dense sound. But I really like some of their music when I'm in the right mood and some of it is absolutely brilliant stuff. It is not Avant-Prog in the absolute way, but some of their albums are definitely avant-garde.

Douwe Eisenga is another minimalist composer indeed, but more on the soft side. His CD was advertised as "Simeon ten Holt meets Yann Tiersen." Simeon ten Holt is another Dutch composer, and Yann Tiersen composed the soundtracks to the films "Amélie" (full title "Le Fabuleux Destin D'Amélie Poulin") and "Goodbye Lenin", which you might know.

I must admit that most of my knowledge of John Zorn is also based on the CD's I own (and on some of the articles I've read, of course). But I do own 15 of them, so I hope that gives me a nice impression of most aspects of his career. (Needless to say that this collection is growing. )

I am too tired now to tell something about all those CD's, so I'll do that tomorrow (it's 0:39 AM over here). I should really write reviews about them, but I've been waiting a bit too long for inspiration to come. Maybe this holiday I will find time to write some more reviews.

I will also read your reviews tomorrow, although I might have already read them when you had just posted them; I am mostly on top of the reviews of artists I like. 

Edited by Joren - July 06 2006 at 18:42

Before I go to bed I would like to say how I glad I am that I (re)found this thread - thanks for starting it Trouserpress! It brought to my attention the fact that there are in fact some people on the forum now who don't only share my taste in progressive rock, but also some of my taste outside the genre. It's been really fun to talk to you guys. Read you tomorrow!

Edited by Joren - July 06 2006 at 18:54

Joren wrote: Is "50 Birthday Celebration. Volume 5" the only John Zorn album you have listened to, Eugene?

Any recommendation on another John Zorn to get after Naked City?

Root Pepper wrote: I am a HUGE HUGE HUGE Zorn fan. I could talk endlessly about him, and there's endless places to begin. If I can assist about Zorn in any way, I'd love too.

Black Velvet wrote: My heart just skipped a beat them when you stated Douwe Eisenga has been likened to "Simeon ten Holt meets Yann Tiersen", that is going to be one hell of a sound. Simeon ten Holt is one of my favourite composers, I have a huge soft spot for pianists and minimalism so mixing the two together I was bound to like his work. When I first read over Yann Tiersen name it didn't mean much but was playing on my mind, then the mention of those two fantastic movies sparked my memory. I will have to watch Amelie sometime today to refresh myself on the specific style but I remember enjoying the soundtrack immensely (alongside the movie)... lust is the first word which comes to mind. It has been too long since I have seen "Goodbye Lenin" to comment on my thoughts about the pieces played in the movie. I will have to give King Crimson another try. I have "In The Court of the Crimson King" and "Red" I heard so many RIO/avant prog artist likened to them, that I think it would be a shame if I were to let a band like this just slip by.

Funny that you know Simeon ten Holt. I know him by name, but I don't really know his music (I have heard some, but I don't exactly remember - about time to refresh! ). Moreover, I didn't know he had some kind of reputation outide the Netherlands; I thought Louis Andriessen was much more well-known. About Yann Tiersen: I haven't seen Goodbye Lenin yet (shame on me, again), but I have seen Le Fabuleux Destin D'Amélie Poulin and I really liked that movie (AND the music). I recently saw Yann Tiersen live, on a festival for music that combined modern classical music and populare music. His concert was really good, but not fantastic. More important to mention, most of the stuff was nothing like the Amélie soundtrack. It was more like alternative/experimental rock, and I didn't know he played that kind of music as well (it was with a band). Pretty nice stuff... it was especially funny to see (and hear) one guy playing his electric guitar with an electrical drill.

Anyway, I hope you like Douwe Eisenga.

About King Crimson: you might want to try their "Larks' Tongues In Aspic" album, for the title track is one of their most experimental pieces of music. My personal favourite is "Discipline", but it has a lesser connection with Avant-Prog. King Crimson are influenced by the Talking Heads on that one, while keeping a distinctive own sound. But for now that's irrelevant; I think "Larks' Tongues" is the album that might get you "into" King Crimson.


Edited by Joren - July 07 2006 at 14:01