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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 15:19
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I will probably buy some more before I leave here Embarrassed
One shop owner promised me to bring the two studio albums of Sleepytime... and he sells them for very good price to me. He is a very nice guy who like us, loves progressive rock of all sorts.

You like Secret Chiefs? I have bought that one today (Horizons...) and I have on my PC:
Eyes of Flesh Eyes of Flame
First Grand Constitution and Bylaws

I love this madness a-la Trey Spruance which is not too far from Patton madness.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 15:29
No I have never heard of them. I guess they cannot be to bad in the light of the Patton sound relationship. Which of those would you recommend starting out with? Though I'm not a huge fan of the Mr Bungle Patton sound, would this be a problem?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 15:38
I would compare it more to Fantomas than to Bungle. It is kind of reminiscent of several songs from Bungle and Fantomas. Let's say that if you know Disco Volante and California you would find similarities to it in Secret Chiefs 3. I guess that if you are not too fond of Bungle, then you could skip this one.
Both Book M and Book of Horizons are good starting points.

Here is their page on PA:

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2088
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 15:48
Ah yes I have seen Book of Horizons cover floating around this place before (pictures and such). I do have more of a soft spot for Fantomas, I was introduced to them ages ago. I was signing up to a heavy metal magazine and with the subcription there was a free album which can along side and it just happened to be Fantomas' debt album. So that was my beginning into the Patton world.

I used to love Mr Bungle... upon first listening the album there had a huge impact on my tastes. But I found the albums didn't really stand the test of time and only get thrown into the CD play maybe once a month if lucky.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 15:57
Trey Spruance runs Mimicry Records doesn't he?  I saw a link to the webofmimicry website somewhere recently... Sir Millard Mulch is on this label and he's an RIO/Avant Garde artist (I've also corresponded with him via Myspace, he's a cool guy) and I keep on meaning to buy his most recent album (with lots of guests!).  So that's another one to add to the list.  I think his work is on the Fantomas/Mr. Bungle side of Avant Garde (he's friends with Trey Spruance after all), so if you like either of them, he maybe worth checking out.

Thanks for your input, Joren, much appreciated!

Nice purchases too, Assaf.  I recently bought Rock Bottom too, it's one of my favourite albums.  What do you think of The End of an Ear?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 16:11
Secret Chiefs 3 are a pretty interesting band, but I have found they sometimes either fail or succeed on a song to song basis. They definitely share elements with Mr. Bungle AND Fantomas, and if they had Patton as a singer it really proves they sound much like any other Patton project - but that's why they're a good listen! They're latest album is fantastic though, and I saw them live twice in January of this year. Their live show is what their music is all about! Their line-up included Ches Smith on drums, as well as Eyvind Kang on viola, what a treat! Some fantastic songs were played that remain unreleased, which is terribly disappointing.

The headliner of the concerts was Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, another RIO/Zeuhl stylized kind of band. Since then I've really enjoyed their whole heavy, archaic sound. Very industrialized, yet in a primitive, anti-technology way. Anyone else that familiar?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 16:46
SGM are terrific and I am waiting to receive both their albums. THeir philosophy (if one can call it htat way) is on how mankind is corrupt and evil and destroys everything it builds and mutilates its enviroment. This goes very well with what you describe as their heavy archaic sound. I saw today a live cd release by them which I was not familiar with (don't remember the name). Do you know it RP?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 16:56
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

SGM are terrific and I am waiting to receive both their albums. THeir philosophy (if one can call it htat way) is on how mankind is corrupt and evil and destroys everything it builds and mutilates its enviroment. This goes very well with what you describe as their heavy archaic sound. I saw today a live cd release by them which I was not familiar with (don't remember the name). Do you know it RP?


I only have Of Natural History. I like it and I think it's very impressive, I've just always found it a bit too much to digest in one sitting. Very heavy, dark and a bit over-blown. Still highly recommended of course! Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 16:59
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Ah yes I have seen Book of Horizons cover floating around this place before (pictures and such). I do have more of a soft spot for Fantomas, I was introduced to them ages ago. I was signing up to a heavy metal magazine and with the subcription there was a free album which can along side and it just happened to be Fantomas' debt album. So that was my beginning into the Patton world.

I used to love Mr Bungle... upon first listening the album there had a huge impact on my tastes. But I found the albums didn't really stand the test of time and only get thrown into the CD play maybe once a month if lucky.


I must agree with you there. For a while I've been really "into" Mr. Bungle, especially the debut and the similar OU818 demo. I also have Disco Volante, which, although I think it's excellent, I never really got into. But, as you said, it seems that Mr. Bungle don't really have so much staying power. I haven't listened to them in a long time (neither have I listened to Fantômas in a while BTW) and I haven't even heard California once. I should really pick it up soon! Embarrassed I should also give Fantômas' debut another listen, since I don't like it as much as Suspended Animation yet...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 16:59
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It is a show that they make in this record I think, meaning a kind of a play. It is manifested by the overblown vocal (not the growls, but the ones that open the record). It's also slightly reminiscent of Bungle at several of their songs.
I like heavy and dark, so for me it's perfect. But it is an album to sit with, listen carefully and read the lyrics along.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 17:00
I've finally gotten around to listening to Zaar and I must say I am very impressed!  Their sound is quite a bit different to Sotos and that's quite a pleasant surprise.  This is probably more to my taste than Sotos, even though I like both.

You've got to love the Hurdy-Gurdy!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 17:02
As for Bungle, only the debut's effect has a little "faded" for me, but I still enjoy it and I love their other efforts. California is different from their others. Mostly, more "relaxed" or toned down songs (of course, Ars Moriendi is one exception). But then again, every album of theirs is different from the other. I think it is worthwhile getting it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 17:04
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I've finally gotten around to listening to Zaar and I must say I am very impressed!  Their sound is quite a bit different to Sotos and that's quite a pleasant surprise.  This is probably more to my taste than Sotos, even though I like both.

You've got to love the Hurdy-Gurdy!


I just saw Joren has voted yes on their inclusion, thus making it cleared for addition with 3 votes.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 17:06
Good good, I cannot see how they cannot be included!  They're more progressive than Sotos.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 17:12
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:



Hello, and welcome back ... I don't think we have crossed paths before but I guess you have picked up I visit this thread a lot.

Anyway now having heard both Taal albums in there entirety I would definately have to agree with their inclusion in the RIO/avant section. I couldn't be seeing them in prog metal and luckly they are not as they would be overshadowed by the wealth of bands now in that sub-genre. You will have to get listening to a full album, I'm rather new to them as well. Though I was not overly sold as of yet on Skymind I'm rather enjoying Mister Green which I think is a good start.
    
I also have been getting into Steve Martland and Louis Andriessen's work, which is you are indirectly responsible for. So thank you


1. Thanks for the welcome, Black Velvet. I have indeed read some of your posts and, although I don't yet know you very well, I noticed you have some impressive knowledge about avant-garde music.

2. I have just heard Skymind in its entirety for the first time, and I must say I'm slightly moving the other way... I feel they would also fit nicely into Art Rock. The King Crimson influence is clearly there, and there are also some hints at folk and metal music. Then again, I still feel they are not completely out of place in RIO/Avant-Prog and it's a good thing they are not overshadowed there, like you said. Clap

3. Yes, I'm certainly responsible for that. LOL I'm glad you like Martland and Andriessen. Have you heard Douwe Eisenga's work as well? (If not, send me a PM Wink)

Oh, and -> Geck0: Thanks for the thanks. Embarrassed Good to know that your posts are being read. Anyway, I don't think we've really "met" before. As you can see by looking at my profile, I'm an oldtimer to this site, but I'm only 20 years young myself. As of late, I have mostly been hiding out in the collaborators zone, chatting with all the other early members and avoiding the DT vs. Yes arguments going on in the prog lounge. So I have posted there very rarely the last couple of months. But I have read quite a few of your posts, and they have been a joy to read and they also showed an extensive knowledge of prog. Well, enough of the sucking up already. LOL Let's get back to business. I'm a bit too tired now to make my contribution about John Zorn. But tomorrow I'll probably make a big post about him. Approve


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 17:17
I know you of old Joren, you PMed me about Alamaailman Vasarat once and I also put you in a Pictures At An Exhibition Rogues Gallery photoshop thingamebob!

As you know, I don't just listen to RIO/Avant Prog and I'm always after new music of most prog genres.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 17:17
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

^^^
It is a show that they make in this record I think, meaning a kind of a play. It is manifested by the overblown vocal (not the growls, but the ones that open the record). It's also slightly reminiscent of Bungle at several of their songs.
I like heavy and dark, so for me it's perfect. But it is an album to sit with, listen carefully and read the lyrics along.


True... I remember first hearing the first song on the album. It struck me as a bit 'Hollywood-ish', if you know what I mean.

I'm not sure if I really know what I mean... LOL It has a touch of overly dramatic film music I think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 17:22
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I know you of old Joren, you PMed me about Alamaailman Vasarat once and I also put you in a Pictures At An Exhibition Rogues Gallery photoshop thingamebob!

As you know, I don't just listen to RIO/Avant Prog and I'm always after new music of most prog genres.


sh*t, you're right. Pinch How could I forget that?! Ouch I have been hanging out in the collabs' room for so long that I forgot all about the funny stuff going on "outside". LOL

I still remember your impressive goatee, though. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 17:25
That goatee has been trimmed, but it's still there and it will grow again!  It was getting out of hand.

Ah, well I'm glad you remember me!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 17:26
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I've finally gotten around to listening to Zaar and I must say I am very impressed!  Their sound is quite a bit different to Sotos and that's quite a pleasant surprise.  This is probably more to my taste than Sotos, even though I like both.

You've got to love the Hurdy-Gurdy!


I just saw Joren has voted yes on their inclusion, thus making it cleared for addition with 3 votes.




So I have. Approve I quickly "scanned" through the album. It sounded like a clear case really. I will soon listen to it in its entirety (is this really a word? Ermm), and I also have yet to check out Sotos.
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