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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 07:10
If you're interested in Philip Glass, one of my favorite recordings from him is Koyaanisqatsqi (which I hope I'm spelling right). He's a fascinating, mathematical type of modern composer who really just repeats a beautiful phrase over and over. But that's what I love about him. I saw him live and it was fascinating, to see something repeated so mechanically yet to be so human.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 08:34
Clap - Spot on sir.
I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 08:41
Hi Sigod.
 
We'd love to hear your impressions and likes of the 20th century composers (look in the previous page for some of our discussion on this subject so far).
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 09:05
I cannot admit I am farmilar with Glenn Branca's works. Even though I knew I had not heard any albums there was something about the name which kept calling home. Later on this afternoon I was looking through some of the youtube pages I bookmarked on my computer and surprisingly enough who did I find - Branca. I think this might be a little different style to Symphonies 1 and 6. I don't know if he is know for this style of provocative performances, but this definately intreged my interests. Well enough talk to building up suspense hear is the link.

Glenn Branca solo

I think it would be best not to rush into a genre like this. For me it was something I gradually eased myself into. But this is one of the reasons I found RIO/avant prog quite an easy musical, which most people find so inaccessable. Assaf you seem to have your hand fully already with the material you have rescently discovered. This is music that takes time to appreciate and I think that is something I love so much about the genre. I sometimes find it a great test to so how much my music tastes have grow and when you finally crack one of those albums there is such a sense of achivement.

I will have to look into some of Gosfield's music.

RP, that would have been an amazing concert, I really am jealous you have seem such a show (we get very few respected artirst making the trip to where I live). Glass provokes so many emotions in me, and to see something like this in concert would have been near overwhelming. I love how minimalist artist show that musical integrity and dexterity does not souly come from extreme technicalities of the compositon.

Also on Assaf's little off topic discussion. I too am very thankful for this thread. There are not many places I can turn to and discuss this form of music. Also probably the fact I have a smaller interest in most of the bigger prog bands discussed on this site, this is not to say I'm discrediting other peoples musical tastes. Hmmm... I think I will leave all the prog metal discussions to other people, as truely most of the metal I enjoy comes from far different ideals than those portrayed in Progressive metal.

Also Assaf I will have a look at your review tomorrow when I get up... I'm rather tried at the moment and don't think I would take everything in properly.
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 09:47
Hey RP and BV,
I wasn't aware that Glass performed live, sounds exciting.

I will take your advice, Adam, and take it more slowly and gradually. I'll listen to one composer at a time until I feel I am acquainted enough with him and appreciate his music and I can move on.
I'll start with Branca, I think. I hope these two pieces by him I have are more representative of him, as I am new to his music.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 10:31
Just a short note, BV, I am currently listening to OOIOO and I must say I was expecting something else. I thuoght this would be more Boredoms like, but this actually very accessible and nice. Not too "strange" or "out there". Nice and original music, rich in sound. I'll keep on listening.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 11:20
Adam, don't forget to check out Golijov!  I am intrigued to know what your thoughts are about him.  Assaf, I also recommend you to try and listen to him as well.

The more listeners he gets, the better conclusions people can come to.

I am so overwhelmed with this thread, it's going to keep my busy for a while!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 18:36
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Just a short note, BV, I am currently listening to OOIOO and I must say I was expecting something else. I thuoght this would be more Boredoms like, but this actually very accessible and nice. Not too "strange" or "out there". Nice and original music, rich in sound. I'll keep on listening.


Yes I too was not really knowing what to expect from OOIOO but I definately have been pleasently surprised. I really like their style of music and it does have that inheritant laid back effect that I am finding quite adictive. So I am happy you are enjoying this album.

Now having heard three Boredoms albums (Vision Acreation Newsun has been added to the collection), I have been surprised each and very time by the different styles the band has developed on each record, so I'm not really sure what to expect from this band anymore . I still need to list to this new album more, but its extremely Psychedelic in nature and at times reminds of a less noisy Acid Mothers Temple.

p.s I will read the review, Assaf, while I am at work today and tell you what I think.
    
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 18:48
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Adam, don't forget to check out Golijov!  I am intrigued to know what your thoughts are about him.  Assaf, I also recommend you to try and listen to him as well.The more listeners he gets, the better conclusions people can come to.


I have been doing a little bit of searching on Golijov at the moment. Have found wealths of information, I don't even know where to begin with his works. Firstly I found four sample tracks from one of his string quartet's. This was interesting, more forumalated in tradional classic, while at the same time possessing a very dark and sinister tone to the music. I don't think I can comment properly on those as they were only thirty second samples, which is not indicative of the direction each piece is following.

Further searching lead me to this:

Golijov

This I was very impressed with, still not a long piece but gives further note the musical direction he focuses on. Please everybody check this out, I think this has a lot of potential. I will have to check out what our store has of his works.

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I am so overwhelmed with this thread, it's going to keep my busy for a while!


I think this goes without saying to each of us participating in this thread. I know my knowledge has been expend ten fold since the initiation if this thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 18:56
Ah, that is good news!  I hope your store has some of his work.

The program I saw was talking about:
  • La Pasión según San Marcos The Passion according to St. Mark (Hänssler Classic 98404)
That maybe a good place to begin.

Having said that, it looks like he's been working with a 'cellist and as I'm rather partial to 'cellis, then I think his compositions involving them maybe more to my personal tastes.

This also looks interesting: Klezmer Concertos and Encores composition Rocketekya on recording of klezmer music (Naxos B0000C508L)

And of course, his work with the Kronos Quartet may also be of interest.

Let me know if you succeed in purchasing anything of his.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 19:11
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Hey RP and BV,
I wasn't aware that Glass performed live, sounds exciting.


Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

RP, that would have been an amazing concert, I really am jealous you have seem such a show (we get very few respected artirst making the trip to where I live). Glass provokes so many emotions in me, and to see something like this in concert would have been near overwhelming. I love how minimalist artist show that musical integrity and dexterity does not souly come from extreme technicalities of the compositon.


It was a really surreal and stunning concert. Very trance inducing, to see the man come out and perform four or five 20-30 minute pieces that were repetition of pure beauty. It was all much like a dream!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 20:01
^I agree about Philip Glass. Top notch and beautiful minimalism is the only thing that expresses his music and thats a good thing. If we are talking about modern composers I can also recommend Steve Reich - Music for 18 musicians. Now that stuff is minimalism and I really mean minimalism that is one melody through the entire album. Very electronic, soothing and hipnotic.

And speaking of RIO, how about Guapo? I have their last 2 albums and those things are dark, specially Five suns. It was also one of my first RIO bands. I like them alot. I'm also planing in buying Miasma and carousel of headless horses - Perils. Any thoughts?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 20:51
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

^I agree about Philip Glass. Top notch and beautiful minimalism is the only thing that expresses his music and thats a good thing. If we are talking about modern composers I can also recommend Steve Reich - Music for 18 musicians. Now that stuff is minimalism and I really mean minimalism that is one melody through the entire album. Very electronic, soothing and hipnotic.


I have noticed that Steve Reich CD down in my store last time I was there, and was not quiet sure whether this was the place to start with his works. As you know classical artist seem to produce wealths of composition and it is so hard to know where to start especially considering all the different styles of music they approach. If you recommend it I might try it out, as I love minimalism as a whole, in any form of art. When you are talking about electronic are we taking synth induced or computer mantipulation?

Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:


And speaking of RIO, how about Guapo? I have their last 2 albums and those things are dark, specially Five suns. It was also one of my first RIO bands. I like them alot. I'm also planing in buying Miasma and carousel of headless horses - Perils. Any thoughts?


I have one Guapo album "Five Suns" which I adore. Very dark brooding music. A fine example of dark RIO inspired music from a young an developing band. Though at times I do feel like they are still trying to find that perfect sound to suit them. I think when they find this facit behind there music they are going to produce a stunning album. What do you think of Black Oni? I'm quite interested to see the development of the this band. Which album do you enjoy more? I think other people will be able to go more indepth response about their music as I am not relatively new to their work, but definately inpressed.

I'm not going to be much help in regards to Miasma & the Carousel of Headless Horses. They are one of those band I have been meaning to looking into for a while now. I was first caugh out by their fantastic name, then became ever more integed with the amazing cover artwork. I will post a picture as I think people here will appreciated this.



I don't know if you a have heard these sound samples, brief but will give you a little idea. The first one does remind me somewhat of some of Guapo's compositions. And the other definately show potential.

www.webofmimicry.com/label.php?band=miasma

I you get around to buying the album let us all know what you think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 20:53
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Let me know if you succeed in purchasing anything of his.


I will tell you how I get on... probably go down to the store sometime soon again. Only to be spending money I shouldn't be . The classical section is not overly extensive so I have my fingers crossed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 21:21
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:


EDIT: Forgot to mention, I finally reviewed John Zorn's Spillane. Here it is:


I might edit it sometime soon, cause there is something more I wish to add to it.



I have now had sometime to read over this properly and I can say truthfully this is a solid effort, also good to see people not flogging the same albums to death in regard to reviewing. Something I enjoyed was the factor of going into more detail about the history and themes behind the album. For works such as John Zorn and many other artist of this style, points like this can be an important factor when understanding the actually music. So I was happy to be able to get backgound information on the album before getting into the solely musical aspects of things. Also good reasoning for the rating, I feel I can relate to this closely. I have the same feelings with Magma - 1001 degress centigrades. Absolutely love the first track and then the rest of the album just seem to be there, not bad, but nothing that stands out either.


    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 21:31
Well, the first time I heard Five suns my first reaction was being tackled by a whole team of american football from start to finish. Black Oni on the other hand has more relaxing moments than Five Suns and at times a bit atmospheric, but still it holds the Guapo sound (thanks to the Fender Rhodes) It didn't hit me as hard as Five Suns did, but it's slowly getting better after each listen.

With Steve Reich I only have Music for 18 musicians and It has alot of varied instruments, but the first sound that one gets more familiar wich is the central melody it sounds to me like an electronic keyboard that Tangerine Dream use.I can also hear keyboards an some percussive instruments like xylophone. If you're interested in hearing more of his work (and explained better than me) go and check rateyourmusic.com or his info in wikipedia. (If my english was better I could explain it to you more precisely)

I'll check on those Miasma... samples. Thanks.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 21:40
Thank you... also don't worry your english its more than suffice and I found your descriptions quite helpful. I'm quite farmiliar with Tangerine Dream's keyboard sound, so that painted a clear picture for me.

I like the sounds of Black Oni, from what you explained it really does sound like one of those albums which grows on you, most of the time these end up being the albums you come to appreciate more. Next time I am visiting england I will have to see if I can get my hands on this album.

I was just wondering what other either RIO/avant or 20th Century classic are you farmilar with? It is good to see another person from the younger generation getting into this fantastic genre
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 22:07
Thanks Smile. Let me see what bands I know of...

With 20th century classic I began not so long ago so I don't have mutch to say about it. I've only heard Philip Glass, Glenn Branca, Steve Reich and "Moondog".

For RIO/avant bands I know of Taal, Alamaailman Vasarat, Samla mammas manna, Captain Beefheart, Zappa, Kronos Quartet, Hella, Kayo Dot, Henry Cow, Island, Univers Zero, Present, Nebelnest, John Zorn, Thinking Plague, Hoyri Kone and Sotos. ( Ithink thats all of them)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 22:19
Nice list you have there all very commendable bands.

Hopefully we will see a you around this thread a little more

Just one question, with Island are we talking about the Swiss band who brought out Pictures in 1977. If so fantastic album that seem to be very over looked.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 22:27
Indeed the same Island that made Pictures. I've only heard it like 2 times only so I don't have a clear opinion about their music.

I'll try and be around here more often.Thumbs Up

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