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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2006 at 15:29
Thanks for that I will be check some of those out soon. I have been meaning to check out Hot Fur for a long time now. Had been hearing good things about them, but never got around to it.
 
Also sorry to be annoying but would you be able to put that myspace link in the format of www.myspace.com/(insertsomethinghere) I'm sitting behind a firewall and for some reason they block the page when it is in the other format.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2006 at 15:40
Sure, no problem:
www.myspace.com/daaudieanarchistischeabendunterhaltung

Do check the Hot Fur songs on that Demo.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2006 at 16:14
I'm just getting it down now. Listening to the first track at the moment, seems to have potential. What albums have they brought out. I like the vocals, so that is a good start.
 
Oh I was messing around the other day at work and stumble upon this site
 
 
Ths is the little caption under the website link in google read like this.
"A very dancy kind of gipsy-progressive-ska band playing free happy music"
 
You can have a listen to some three of their songs. But I'm warning you the navigation of the page is terrible, not to mention the state of my Swedish.
 
Also note this band has nothing to do with the group Robert Plant and John Bonham were a part of.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2006 at 17:06
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:


A fantastic list you have there. Though I have not hear of:
Noxagt
Otomo Yoshihide
Zoot Horn Rollo

would be able to tell us a little about them? Which albums are worth while checking out?

I definately would have to agree with you, I love the dark side of RIO and zeuhl. I think this might have something to do with my love for Black and Doom metal   


Noxagt is just basically an over bearing storm of drums, distorted bass, and violin. It's more percussive than musical. I believe they're from Sweden? They have two albums out, I own "The Iron Point" - their latest.

Otomo Yoshihide has done a lot of different things, he's a japanese musician and he plays multiple instruments. However I own a recording of his from Tzadik records that features Yoshida Tatsuya on drums and Bill Laswell on bass that is really phenomenal. It kind of drudges around in an almost dub-wise fashion and breaks open to fascinating feedback and oceanic sounds. It's kind of like a more structured, melodic, and listenable version of Haino Keiji's power trio oriented playing. Lot less noise oriented.

Zoot Horn Rollo was the guitar player in Captain Beefheart's magic band for such classics as "Trout Mask Replica". He since recorded this stunning avant-jazz/RIO theory dense album entitled "We Saw a Bozo Under the Sea". It's not avant in the squeaky squak sense, it's more RIO art-rock styled, and maintains a very listenable album approach, while at the same time being very complex. Kind of like music for theory musicians. He whips out every type of theory imaginable. The second track "Relocating Dirt - Life's Work" is the best way to hear out what this album is about.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2006 at 17:09
I also have my hands on that OOIOO album you're speaking of Black Velvet, it's very entertaining. Plus, I too am interested in that Knead album - I hope to find a copy or hear some samples of it soon.

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Well first of all to Root Pepper, you have a very good list there. Some of the artists/ groups you mentioned I am now trying to get my hands on (Haino Keiji, Idiot Flesh, Noxagt ,  Otomo Yoshihide,  Zoot Horn Rollo ). The others are very good bands I am also listening to and loving them.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2006 at 22:34
Originally posted by Root_Pepper Root_Pepper wrote:

Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:


A fantastic list you have there. Though I have not hear of:
Noxagt
Otomo Yoshihide
Zoot Horn Rollo

would be able to tell us a little about them? Which albums are worth while checking out?

I definately would have to agree with you, I love the dark side of RIO and zeuhl. I think this might have something to do with my love for Black and Doom metal   


Noxagt is just basically an over bearing storm of drums, distorted bass, and violin. It's more percussive than musical. I believe they're from Sweden? They have two albums out, I own "The Iron Point" - their latest.

Otomo Yoshihide has done a lot of different things, he's a japanese musician and he plays multiple instruments. However I own a recording of his from Tzadik records that features Yoshida Tatsuya on drums and Bill Laswell on bass that is really phenomenal. It kind of drudges around in an almost dub-wise fashion and breaks open to fascinating feedback and oceanic sounds. It's kind of like a more structured, melodic, and listenable version of Haino Keiji's power trio oriented playing. Lot less noise oriented.

Zoot Horn Rollo was the guitar player in Captain Beefheart's magic band for such classics as "Trout Mask Replica". He since recorded this stunning avant-jazz/RIO theory dense album entitled "We Saw a Bozo Under the Sea". It's not avant in the squeaky squak sense, it's more RIO art-rock styled, and maintains a very listenable album approach, while at the same time being very complex. Kind of like music for theory musicians. He whips out every type of theory imaginable. The second track "Relocating Dirt - Life's Work" is the best way to hear out what this album is about.
 
I don't know how I over looked Zoot Horn Rollo. Just had a look at some of my Beefheart CD's and there he was: Glass Finger Guitar, flute. Funny how you can miss little things like this.  
 
Thanks for the information on the other two, they both sound worth my while. Especially Otomo Yoshihide, I have heard Bill Laswell has been on a lot of records. The only I have experienced is from the John Zorn and Massacre.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2006 at 22:40
I have done a little bit of searching on Knead. And this is the best thing I have found so far. I will post more if I find it, as people seem to be interested in this project.
 
 
KNEAD s/t
 
Ruins + Keiji Haino = Knead! Yes, this new PSF group Knead (we're curious about how/why they picked that name, it's kind of odd isn't it?) is none other than a trio consisting of Keiji Haino, Tatsuya Yoshida, and Hisashi Sasaki. Haino of course is the guitar/vocal shaman of Fushistsusha and much solo fame, while Yoshida and Sasaki are the drummer and bassist of equally famous Tokyo duo Ruins! Indeed, Haino and Yoshida are both truly titans of the Tokyo underground rock scene. Haino is a pillar of dark, psychedelic phantasia, while Yoshida is more of a progressive rock stalwart. On paper, it might seem like the super hyper, stop start hardcore acrobatics of Ruins would be an ill match for Haino's freeform drone guitar freakouts. But fans familiar with the respective massive outputs of both, know there is in fact much common ground. That said, Yoshida and Sasaki pretty much let the 50 year old Haino take the lead in Knead, with bassist Sasaki accepting a supportive role more typical of his instrument (which is certainly not the case in Ruins), wisely deciding not to directly duel with Haino's apocalyptic guitar. But you still hear a lot of nimble playing from him, while partner Yoshida of course unleashes mighty drum salvos pretty much continuously. The eight tracks (75 minutes) of Nipponese noise rock nirvana found here are kind of like Fush*tsusha with a supercharged rhythm section. At the energetic peak that much of this attains, Haino torches the place as if his guitar was a flamethrower, while the Ruins duo busily thrash away. Upon a few other moments, they find calm, throwing in sections of atmospheric clatter and vocal babble. At the outset of track 5, Haino's primal, gutwrenching singing is joined by Yoshida's much less anguished, falsetto cries and bizzare vocal sound fx. (Although Yoshida's vocal model has always been Magma's Christian Vander, we noted while listening to this the similarity of Yoshida's warble to Robbie Basho's singing!) Soon, though, the vocal duet gives way to Knead's combined instrumental firepower.
Haino, even though he hardly needs anyone's help to generate entire universes of emotive psych-skree, has thrived in collaborative settings, having recorded with Boris, COA, High Rise, Musica Transonic, Shoji Hano, Peter Brotzmann, Masada's rhythm section, Bill Laswell & Rashied Ali, and others...much of it great stuff indeed. Whereas, the Ruins collaborative track record is not so good: generally fun but tossed-off improv sessions. Their jams with Derek Bailey, Guapo and Omoide Hatoba were pretty much ok, but we could've done without their meetings with Ron Anderson, Jason Willett, and the Sun City Girls. Knead, thankfully, is much better than these -- infinitely better than RonRuins!
Haino and Yoshida of course have actually vibrated the cosmic ether, I mean played, together before. Haino guested on the first disc by Yoshida's Tairikuotoko vs. Sanmyakuonna band, and he also did an album with Musica Transonic (for whom Yoshida drums)...more recently there was an excellent Haino/Yoshida duo disc (and tour in China) called "When Water Grasps Flame". We sold out of that disc before we could even list it, but hope to get more of 'em in soon!
Recommended, especially to Haino fans. After all, Fush*tsusha's last record, the shockingly guitar-less "Origin's Hesitation", really was pretty great -- but even those of us that loved it can't help but yearn for more of Haino's intense wall of sound guitar playing. And for that, Knead will more than meet your needs!!
 
 
Taken from: http://www.aquariusrecords.org/cat/k8.html Just for future notice this is a fantastic rescoure for hard to find music. The section on Knead is a little over halfway down and you will be able to listen to 3 samples from their self titled album. All I am going to say is this is very intense stuff, I will let you listen for yourself. Also I hope nobody gets turned off by vocals Tongue

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2006 at 12:53
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Thanks for the info on that site. I think it will be useful once I get to the USA.

Knead sounds an interesting group to discover, I'll try to get my hands on it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2006 at 18:59

@ Geck0: Have now had a descent listen to Taal - Mister Green. And I am enjoy this one more than Skymind. One of the things I was overall surprised about was how symphonic the feel of the album is, I'm even tempted to suggest them to one of the symphonic metal friends as it think they would enjoy it. Following that idea they do indeed have a heavier side to them which I think some people into the lighter side of metal might enjoy. I found it a somewhat varied album, I think there would be an enormous list if I were to try and describle all the influence I see in their music. Sometime this is a little bit of downfall, I'm wish some of the longer song were a little shorter as I find they tend to put some unnecessary passages in their music, seemingly for quanity over quality. I think with the song Coonibus they get achive a perfect balance, along with a few others which I cannot remember off the top of my head.

My attention was not totally focused on lyrics/storyline, I did pick up that it was about Mister Green and the factor that there seemed to be a rather humorous side to the story during certain stages. Am I right in thinking this? In further listens it will be something I will take more of an active interest in.
 
Overall I though this was a really good album but I would not site it as a masterpiece just quiet yet. I think I will give it a lot more listens before I make statement of this proportion. I'm sure in time all those loose ends will start to come together, I'm assuming they all have purpose in someway to the storyline. Thanks for suggesting them they were well worth my time.
 
Also I read in another thread where you said something about them bring out another album soon. I would be quite interested in this, especially to see how the band has matured as a group over the years. Do you know any specifics about the album?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2006 at 20:42
Great to read some info on Knead. Now if only I could get the samples to work! Oh well, it's still a step closer in the right direction. Thanks BV!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2006 at 20:44
There, it works now! Great find!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2006 at 21:41
Ah, thanks for the in depth words, Adam, very much appreciated.

Yes, they have a lot of influences (both albums show different influences to each other as well).  Would I be right in saying there maybe some Dream Theater influence in there?  One of the flute passages reminds me of The Moody Blues and the symphonic passages also remind me of some stuff, which I cannot place.

I'm really only into progressive metal as a genre, but I also enjoy my lighter metal touches, like Taal use.  Other examples of similar metal passages are used by White Willow and Par Lindh Project.  It's also the players are pretty virtuostic.  One of the albums has a total of 10 musicians on it, but I think they've trimmed that number down a bit.  I believe they also bring in guests for a lot of the parts.

I read on their website a while back that they were in the studio, but this reference I can no longer find.  Their website does include a 2006 lineup though, so that looks very promising.  Apart from the fact they were in the studio, I know no more, unfortunatly.  I do sincerely hope that their new material is on equal, or even higher footing to their current output.

The storyline is mentioned in three sections.  The first part, where I believe Mister Green is in a pub, or even in the band that you can hear playing in the background.  You then hear walking and the door shut behind him.  It then seems to me, that he takes some drugs.  Barbituricus I believe is a reference to Barbiturates, so this idea could firt.  I'm not sure what the Coornibus reference is however.  He then becomes disorientated and high.  The music heard is what is going on in his drug induced state.  Then his friends begin to wonder where he is and the start of the middle section of the story, viz. No Way!, Mister Green and Mister Grey.  Aspartamus could be a reference to Aspartame (which is the fizzy bit of soda drinks), but I've yet to really link all this in...  Super Flat Moon is his come down it seems.  There could well be a link between the use of the word Flat too (Flat Spectre).  Of course there are some happy moments as well.

I'm sure my synopsis is full of errors, so any enlightenment from yourself would be welcomed.

Let me know your (and any others, like Assaf for example) thoughts about this.

Keep on listening my friend and it may grow on you some more!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2006 at 22:37
Thank you for that. I did pick up the first part of the story. The section in the bar, followed by the drug experiences. But that is about as far as I got. I think it will take me a little longer to devise my own verision of what I think is happening, as I have been mainly focusing on the instrumental aspects. I think I will have to do some research into the meanings of the track titles as a lot of those words are not a part of my day to day vocaluary Embarrassed and I think that will help matters.

Haha... I'm not to sure about the Dream Theater influences. I only have two of their albums which have not been played in a few years, so being truthful I cannot really remember what their sound is like fully. Also I have never heard any The Moody Blues, my knowledge on most of the bigger prog/proto-prog bands is sub part. But I can understand where you are coming from with the White Willow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2006 at 22:58
If it is not too much trouble I was wondering whether some of the guys on hear could give me a hand with my next purchase. I'm going to be heading off down to my local store sometime over the next few days, but I only want to buy one CD. From the selection my store has I was thinking getting another OOIOO or Boredoms album.

Here is the website for the store:
http://www.redeye.com.au

Just click on the Browse by Artist section and one of the choices should be Avant-garde, to see what is on shelf. I'm just wondering whether there are any great artist I am going past. Like does anybody know anything about the band, Throbbing Gristle or Wolf Eyes (I see they were on the possible entry list for the site)?

If anybody could be a help it would be more than appreciated.

p.s. I will writing something up tomorrow about my views on OOIOO along with some of the amazing artwork, I just need to listen to it a few more times tonight to get a bit more of a few for the album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2006 at 23:28
To Geck0 and Adam,
I have not been following the lyrics of Taal too much (mainly enjoying the music like Adam), so I am not in a position to enlighten anybody. The lyrics are really unreadable in the booklet. I will try to decipher some of it.
By the way, in Skymind the opening is a sort of reminiscence of Mister Green in that the opening is conjuring up sounds from the first album (Coornibus etc). Is Skymind a continuation of the story on Mr. Green?
 
Regarding your purchase, Adam, I have not looked yet, but I would refrain from the Wolf Eyes until you at least heard some of it. I got a negative impression from their music. Try here for some samples at the bottom of the page: http://www.subpop.com/scripts/main/bands_page.php?id=423
 
 
 
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If you're looking for a Boredoms album, I suggest Super Are or Vision Creation Newsun. Do you have either one of those?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2006 at 00:01
I was browsing through the Red Eye store and I must say I am very impressed with their catalogue. I did not even imagine that there is such a store with so many unknown and off mainstream artists in existance. I must come to Australia at once...
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I don't even have the lyrics to either of Taal's albums, so any lyrics you can come up with, would be appreciated, Assaf!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2006 at 01:54
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

To Geck0 and Adam,
I have not been following the lyrics of Taal too much (mainly enjoying the music like Adam), so I am not in a position to enlighten anybody. The lyrics are really unreadable in the booklet. I will try to decipher some of it.
By the way, in Skymind the opening is a sort of reminiscence of Mister Green in that the opening is conjuring up sounds from the first album (Coornibus etc). Is Skymind a continuation of the story on Mr. Green?
 
Regarding your purchase, Adam, I have not looked yet, but I would refrain from the Wolf Eyes until you at least heard some of it. I got a negative impression from their music. Try here for some samples at the bottom of the page: http://www.subpop.com/scripts/main/bands_page.php?id=423
 
 
 



Shocked Thanks for the steer clear of Wolf Eyes... I don't think I will be getting anything by then anytime soon. I think they are even pushing my limits a little too far LOL The live track sounded like terribably  recorded black metal and I cannot say the other track did anything for me either. I don't mind some music like that which takes a very noise orientated sound to their music, such as bands like Velvet Cacoon, but I didn't feel any atomsphere to the music which was a problem for me. Though maybe I will like them in time.

Also with the lyrics with Mister Green, correct me if I am wrong but some of it sounded a little french?
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Originally posted by Root_Pepper Root_Pepper wrote:

If you're looking for a Boredoms album, I suggest Super Are or Vision Creation Newsun. Do you have either one of those?


No I have neither of those albums. They will definately go on the list if you recommend them.
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