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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 05:03
Assaf, are you aware of a band called Charming Hostess?  They're on ReR and Tzadik I believe.  Not sure what exactly they're like, but they seem to be Avant Garde.  Led by female vocalists, they don't sound all that bad. 

Half of Charming Hostess Big Band were also in Sleepytime Gorilla Museum and Idiot Flesh.

Here is their discography:

As Charming Hostess Big Band

"Eat" (Vaccination, 1998)
"Punch" (ReR, 2005)

Charming Hostess Big Band were:

Jewlia Eisenberg (voice, direction), Carla Kihlstedt (voice, fiddle), Nina Rolle (voice, accordion), Wes Anderson (drums), Nils Frykdahl (guitar, flute, saxophone, percussion), and Dan Rathbun (bass).

As Charming Hostess

"Trilectic" (Tzadik Records, 2002)
"Sarajevo Blues" (Tzadik, 2004)

Charming Hostess are:

Jewlia Eisenberg, Marika Hughes, Cynthia Taylor and often Ganda Suthivarakom and Pameliya Kursten (all vocals).

They've been described as a "Klezmer-Punk/Balkan-Funk" band.

Is anyone familiar with them and how Avant Garde are they?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 03:26
Getting back at the labels for a minute, here are some links (taken from French sites - hence the French description). Sorry for the duplicate links, I just copy and pasted:
 

Labels français :

Vand’oeuvre    33revpermi     7threcords      Gazul   In Poly Sons    Sonore Trace
http://www.evenstilte.free.fr
http://www.potlatch.
http://www.discus-music.co.uk
http://www.intaktrec.ch

Labels étrangers :

RéR     Cuneiform       Carbon7          Ambiances magnétiques& Cie
Falçata-Galia Recordings         Staubgold       Indies    Lowlands
Megaphone      Paxrecordings Tzadik No Man’s Land
http://www.barlamuerte.com

Cuneiform Records (label de reference en matieres de musiques progressives)
Rer Recommended and others...(Les labels du Rock in Opposition, plateforme vers les sites officiels)
Rer (l'officiel)
RecRec (Frith and Cie...)
AYAA Records (sit non officiel du Recommended label en France)
Orkestra International  (distributeur francais de musiques nouvelles, incl Rer et Cuneiform)
Forced Exposure (enorme vpc )
ESD: label de rééditions CanterbuRIO (Henry Cow, National Health, The Residents, ...)
Lowlands (Musique nouvelle belge !)
Made to mesure (label Crammed discs, musique ambient)
Materiali Sonori (label italien de musiques nouvelles et ambient)
Hollow ear (reviews)
Atonal (label Art Zoyd, Elliot Sharp...)
Rotary Totem (Motor Totemist Guild, 5 UU's et U Totem)
Carbon 7 (label belge, inclus Pierre Vervloessem, Cro Magnon, Louise Avenue, etc.)
Tangram records
Silence records: label suédois de Samla Mammas Manna

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 03:02


Thanks for that... I think I will definately be tracking down some Circle (FIN)

Another thing I love about Cerberus Shoal is their quirky sense of humour. I don't know if you have experienced it in any of the track you have listened to, but it is definately present. You will find this more apparent the further you listen to them.

BTW the other album I have is: Chaiming the Knoblessone.
    
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 02:48
Getting back on topic (RIO/Avantgarde): Cerebrus Shoal
The comparisons to Circle (FIN) are correct up to some point but As Jimbo said, Circle ventured into many different styles and niches that it is hard to associate them with a certain sound or style.
 
Cerebrus Shoal is really nice, thuogh, varied as well. So far I heard about 8-9 songs and they were mostly different in mood and style.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 02:19
It's just the growling really... I'm not sure if I like it.  I like Opeth, but their growling is completely different.

I hear such wonderful folky-metal moments that are quiet melancholic and then the growls start and I think maybe it doesn't fit the wonderful music so well.  I am having the same issue with an unsigned banned I've heard calle Gwynbleidd, who are kind of similar.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 02:14
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Ah, I really liked the last three tracks on the new Agalloch album.  The second track is a real disappoint though I feel.  It's my desired style.  I still cannot get my head around the vocals either.  Apparently their earlier albums are not only more progressive, but also less metal and vocal based?

I would be glad to help too, but I don't know enough about the genre yet to be of much help!


My favourite album by them is Pale Folklore which is their first full lengh album. They do use a lot more acoustic influences alongside more clean vocals in their earlier albums. I'm not having to much problem with the vocals at the moment, but I guess it is all taste. I do find Pale Folklore to be their most progressive album, but you also need to take into account I didn't like The Mantle. So I might be a little bias on this point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 02:04
Ah, I really liked the last three tracks on the new Agalloch album.  The second track is a real disappoint though I feel.  It's my desired style.  I still cannot get my head around the vocals either.  Apparently their earlier albums are not only more progressive, but also less metal and vocal based?

I would be glad to help too, but I don't know enough about the genre yet to be of much help!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 01:57
I'm thinking it is the Finnish one as I doubt from the description I have heard they wouldn't be classed as symphonic prog Tongue I think I will have to try and track down some of their stuff.

If you ever need any help with those sorts of thing I'm more than happy... I unfortunatly have more than enough spare time on my hands.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 01:52
Jimbo and I plan to add the Finnish Circle sometime in the near future. THeir inclusion demands time, which both of us don't have much. (The Circle mainman was very generous in his help with providing us information since their discogrpahy is quite complex).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 01:50
Which Circle is that? THere is a Finnish Circle and a German one (on this site)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 01:47
I would definately give my thumbs up to them being on this site (but I guess that is not up to me to decide), it will be interesting to see what others think.

When I have been looking up information on the band, I have heard them likened to another band called Circle, commenting they have a similar sound. I was wondering whether anybody has heard of them?

I too love those bands... it is one of the things I love about music, finding unknown gems like these. I'm just happy my friend got me onto them Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 01:46
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I will do, Black Velvet.  I must say, I was impressed with what I heard from the debut!  If Platypus is better, well... I cannot wait!  All my orders are private vendor, but all are from the same vendor, so I hope they have used some common sense and put them all together in one parcel!

I must listen to that Zaar album soon...

Assaf, going off subject for a moment, have you heard Agalloch's new album yet?
 
Only once, and I don't want to make judgement too early, but I fear it is not exactly what I was expecting. It's not bad at all, but I was thinking they would do something else. But I am happy they kept their metal roots (and even elevated them to a more noticable level).
 
BUT, with The Mantle I was too in a similar position and this is why I will hold my judgement for several more listens (about 10-15 more). Agalloch needs to sink in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 01:43
I will do, Black Velvet.  I must say, I was impressed with what I heard from the debut!  If Platypus is better, well... I cannot wait!  All my orders are private vendor, but all are from the same vendor, so I hope they have used some common sense and put them all together in one parcel!

I must listen to that Zaar album soon...

Assaf, going off subject for a moment, have you heard Agalloch's new album yet?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 01:41
We talked about this in another thread but this shuold be mentioned here.
 
Black Velvet mentioned this band he was listening to: Cerebrus Shoal
 
From the several songs available on their site, I am impressed for the better and I have suggested to add them to the list of Avant prog bands in the RIO/Avant Team's list.
I love these kind of bands. It's not that the music is complex. It's just that their sound is different and they do something else from everyone else. Experimentation seems to be a major part of their composition.
So far, very good and I am positively impressed.
I will post this also in the RIO Drop In Center thread.
 
 
 
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Cerberus Shoal - Homb

 
How is it?


I think it is quite good probably the most solid recording I have heard by the band. It is a little different from the other Cerberus Shoal I have heard. The album has a very sedated and spacy feeling to it, while still branching off in experimental directions.  I feel the album main focus is on trying to build up atomspheres, which is something that appeals to me.
 
Their discography on their site looks quite loaded: http://www.cerberusshoal.com/discography.htm
But I love the design and mood of their site (great colours).
What other albums you have by them?
I only heard samples and I want to know what to start with.


I have four albums by them... my friend gave me them on thursday, so not overly acquainted with each album as of yet.

Here is a list of the one I have:

Homb
The Land We All Believe In
The Vin and Vigour of Alvarius B and Cerberus Shoal
(I cannot quite remember the other album at the moment)

They do have a nice setup on the site.. they have some amazing artwork. Though I do find the tiny little writing makes my head sore.

Well those four albums might be a good place to start Wink It will be interesting to see what you think of them.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Yes, I heard some samples from Sotos' debut and really wanted that one, so I hope the second album lives up to the samples of the first!  I love 'cello, so I hope it has 'cello on it.

Do you have that album yourself?
 
Not yet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 01:33
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

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Probably will be found through a private vendor on amazon or some other website like at Greg Walker's.


This second album is via a private vendor, Assaf!  The first one wasn't available via private vendor, but was available by normal Amazon purchase, but at 3 to 6 weeks or something.  I may order it a later date if it becomes available sooner, or via a private vendor.


I think you will be happy with Platypus. I find it superior to their deubt album, just wait till you hear their epic Wu and you will understand what I am talking about. Tell us what you think when it arrives!


 Assaf which one is your favourite label?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 01:33
Yes, I heard some samples from Sotos' debut and really wanted that one, so I hope the second album lives up to the samples of the first!  I love 'cello, so I hope it has 'cello on it.

Do you have that album yourself?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 01:29
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

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Probably will be found through a private vendor on amazon or some other website like at Greg Walker's.


This second album is via a private vendor, Assaf!  The first one wasn't available via private vendor, but was available by normal Amazon purchase, but at 3 to 6 weeks or something.  I may order it a later date if it becomes available sooner, or via a private vendor.
 
Oh, OK then.
 
Don't you just love the hunt for albums? LOL
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Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

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Probably will be found through a private vendor on amazon or some other website like at Greg Walker's.


This second album is via a private vendor, Assaf!  The first one wasn't available via private vendor, but was available by normal Amazon purchase, but at 3 to 6 weeks or something.  I may order it a later date if it becomes available sooner, or via a private vendor.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 01:24
Sorry I mispellled the name - It is RECORD HEAVEN (Ensemble Nimbus is on that label)
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