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For Koenjihyakkei, my favorite is Angherr Shisspa, so combined with the fact that it's the only one readily available outside Japan, that one's probably the best starting point. Although II will reportedly be reissued by Skin Graft at some point, so it should be relatively easy to come by in the near future too!

Yeti's Things to Come... is awesome. A seriously dark and heavy slab of avant-rock with more than a bit of zeuhl influence. They also have a second full-length album, but I have not heard it and virtually no one I know has either.

I have three Tipographica albums and while I like them, I find them really hard to get into sometimes. Very dryly academic for the most part - sometimes I'm in the mood for that kind of thing, but when I'm not, their stuff just goes straight in one ear and out the other.

For big fans of Tipographica, a must-hear is Dutch band Blast.
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Just been having a listen to some Blast as you suggested. There were a few songs to listen to on Cuneiform Records. For me it sound a little like a modern day 'Henry Cow'... which cannot be a bad thing. They had a very interesting style. They have something like 5 albums ? Which would you suggest checking out?
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Originally posted by progreviews progreviews wrote:

Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Today while on my plight for new music. I stumbled upon a band called AMYGDALA. Listened to a few samples off their lone album and found myself quite atuned to their sound. They posses a dark sound somewhat similar to Present. I was wondering what people knew about this band? All I know is they hail from Japan. Whether they are worth checking out?


This is an album that has gotten somewhat mixed reactions. I myself don't really like it that much - the ELPish keyboards sound kind of cheesy and the lack of a real drummer hurts too (the drums on this album are programmed throughout). For whatever reason the album annoys me more than anything else - maybe the compositions are a little disjointed as well. I don't really remember, haven't listened to it for a while.

For Japanese zeuhl you're better off with Koenihyakkei - even more crazily bombastic but a lot better executed IMHO.
 
The first time I heard Amygdala I was actually quite impressed - I had it on in the background and it sounded pretty good even if it was a virtual Magma clone. Close listening, especially on headphones, rather diminished my enthusiasm. All the instrumental parts, lead guitar and keyboards aside, are programmed, and although they've been programmed remarkably well the result is just a bit flat somehow - kind of McDonalds Zeuhl I suppose. I wouldn't call it annoying, but definitely non essential.
 
I also recently heard Zypressen for the first time, and I'd definitely recommend them. If Koenjihyakkei are the Japanese Magma, Zypressen are the Japanese Art Zoyd although they're somewhat warmer and less forbidding. Good compositions and outstanding arrangements.
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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

 
I also recently heard Zypressen for the first time, and I'd definitely recommend them. If Koenjihyakkei are the Japanese Magma, Zypressen are the Japanese Art Zoyd although they're somewhat warmer and less forbidding. Good compositions and outstanding arrangements.


I can second this recommendation they are a fanstastic band. Brought their s/t album a few months back and loved it, it is not surprising considering my love for Art Zoyd. I heard they have a second album out but I cannot find anything about it... anybody know anything about it?

Also I have heard them likend to the Chamber Rock group Lacrymosa, anybody heard of these guys? 
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Zypressen, eh? Noted.
 
BV, have you heard Ahvak, the Israeli band who released (with Kerman) a very good s/t album which I think can stand on its own without any inferiority complex next to other great albums in this field?
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BV, have you heard Ahvak, the Israeli band who released (with Kerman) a very good s/t album which I think can stand on its own without any inferiority complex next to other great albums in this field?


Hmmm... Just not long ago when I was flicking through all the artist on Cuneiform records, they were one of the bands who jumped out at me. For a period I had the song 'Vivisektia' on repeat... to say the least I was quite impressed. From what I have heard they seem to hold some of their Israeli roots, which I found quite refreshing. But they are definately a band I want to get acquainted with. They only have one album out don't they? At least this makes choosing which to get first quite easy LOL
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Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

 
BV, have you heard Ahvak, the Israeli band who released (with Kerman) a very good s/t album which I think can stand on its own without any inferiority complex next to other great albums in this field?


Hmmm... Just not long ago when I was flicking through all the artist on Cuneiform records, they were one of the bands who jumped out at me. For a period I had the song 'Vivisektia' on repeat... to say the least I was quite impressed. From what I have heard they seem to hold some of their Israeli roots, which I found quite refreshing. But they are definately a band I want to get acquainted with. They only have one album out don't they? At least this makes choosing which to get first quite easy LOL


 
Tell me what you think Wink
 
 
 
 
 
I was thinking about those lables which release RIO and Avant music, like Cuneiform, Tzadik, Heaven records, ReR, Musea etc. Got any favourites? Anyone that you think highly of, or has the best artists?
 
 
 
 
 
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I have Sotos' second album on order and that's on Cuneiform I believe.  I'll let you know what I think!  I wanted their debut, but it's harder to get hold of and isn't on Cuneiform, unfortunately.
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Probably will be found through a private vendor on amazon or some other website like at Greg Walker's.
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Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

 
 
I was thinking about those lables which release RIO and Avant music, like Cuneiform, Tzadik, Heaven records, ReR, Musea etc. Got any favourites? Anyone that you think highly of, or has the best artists?
 


I think my favourite would have to be Cuneiform, they have some of my favourite artist alongside the factor you can streams songs by most of the bands on their label.  I think is a great idea to push some of these great unknown artist to a wider audience. I know I have discovered many a great bands through this website.

I also like ReR, they have a very extensive catalogue from a lot of good artist... though most of the time I find them to be expensive for some of the hard to get items, which is understandable. But most of the time I will be able to order in from my local store for cheap, as they don't charge for postage.

For some reason Musea really annoys me. Every time I have been keen to get something for them they tell me they are out of stock or some other excuse. Hmmm... I might just get them at a bad time.

I have had little experience with Tzadik and have never heard of Heaven Records. So I think the winner is Cuneiform Big smile

I will give my feed back soon on the Ahvak Wink
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Sorry I mispellled the name - It is RECORD HEAVEN (Ensemble Nimbus is on that label)
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Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

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Probably will be found through a private vendor on amazon or some other website like at Greg Walker's.


This second album is via a private vendor, Assaf!  The first one wasn't available via private vendor, but was available by normal Amazon purchase, but at 3 to 6 weeks or something.  I may order it a later date if it becomes available sooner, or via a private vendor.
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Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

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This second album is via a private vendor, Assaf!  The first one wasn't available via private vendor, but was available by normal Amazon purchase, but at 3 to 6 weeks or something.  I may order it a later date if it becomes available sooner, or via a private vendor.
 
Oh, OK then.
 
Don't you just love the hunt for albums? LOL
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Yes, I heard some samples from Sotos' debut and really wanted that one, so I hope the second album lives up to the samples of the first!  I love 'cello, so I hope it has 'cello on it.

Do you have that album yourself?
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Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

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This second album is via a private vendor, Assaf!  The first one wasn't available via private vendor, but was available by normal Amazon purchase, but at 3 to 6 weeks or something.  I may order it a later date if it becomes available sooner, or via a private vendor.


I think you will be happy with Platypus. I find it superior to their deubt album, just wait till you hear their epic Wu and you will understand what I am talking about. Tell us what you think when it arrives!


 Assaf which one is your favourite label?
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Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Yes, I heard some samples from Sotos' debut and really wanted that one, so I hope the second album lives up to the samples of the first!  I love 'cello, so I hope it has 'cello on it.

Do you have that album yourself?
 
Not yet.
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We talked about this in another thread but this shuold be mentioned here.
 
Black Velvet mentioned this band he was listening to: Cerebrus Shoal
 
From the several songs available on their site, I am impressed for the better and I have suggested to add them to the list of Avant prog bands in the RIO/Avant Team's list.
I love these kind of bands. It's not that the music is complex. It's just that their sound is different and they do something else from everyone else. Experimentation seems to be a major part of their composition.
So far, very good and I am positively impressed.
I will post this also in the RIO Drop In Center thread.
 
 
 
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

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Cerberus Shoal - Homb

 
How is it?


I think it is quite good probably the most solid recording I have heard by the band. It is a little different from the other Cerberus Shoal I have heard. The album has a very sedated and spacy feeling to it, while still branching off in experimental directions.  I feel the album main focus is on trying to build up atomspheres, which is something that appeals to me.
 
Their discography on their site looks quite loaded: http://www.cerberusshoal.com/discography.htm
But I love the design and mood of their site (great colours).
What other albums you have by them?
I only heard samples and I want to know what to start with.


I have four albums by them... my friend gave me them on thursday, so not overly acquainted with each album as of yet.

Here is a list of the one I have:

Homb
The Land We All Believe In
The Vin and Vigour of Alvarius B and Cerberus Shoal
(I cannot quite remember the other album at the moment)

They do have a nice setup on the site.. they have some amazing artwork. Though I do find the tiny little writing makes my head sore.

Well those four albums might be a good place to start Wink It will be interesting to see what you think of them.
 
 
 
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I will do, Black Velvet.  I must say, I was impressed with what I heard from the debut!  If Platypus is better, well... I cannot wait!  All my orders are private vendor, but all are from the same vendor, so I hope they have used some common sense and put them all together in one parcel!

I must listen to that Zaar album soon...

Assaf, going off subject for a moment, have you heard Agalloch's new album yet?
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Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I will do, Black Velvet.  I must say, I was impressed with what I heard from the debut!  If Platypus is better, well... I cannot wait!  All my orders are private vendor, but all are from the same vendor, so I hope they have used some common sense and put them all together in one parcel!

I must listen to that Zaar album soon...

Assaf, going off subject for a moment, have you heard Agalloch's new album yet?
 
Only once, and I don't want to make judgement too early, but I fear it is not exactly what I was expecting. It's not bad at all, but I was thinking they would do something else. But I am happy they kept their metal roots (and even elevated them to a more noticable level).
 
BUT, with The Mantle I was too in a similar position and this is why I will hold my judgement for several more listens (about 10-15 more). Agalloch needs to sink in.
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I would definately give my thumbs up to them being on this site (but I guess that is not up to me to decide), it will be interesting to see what others think.

When I have been looking up information on the band, I have heard them likened to another band called Circle, commenting they have a similar sound. I was wondering whether anybody has heard of them?

I too love those bands... it is one of the things I love about music, finding unknown gems like these. I'm just happy my friend got me onto them Smile
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