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WaywardSon 
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Posted: June 16 2006 at 19:53 |
I was listening to Marbles the other day. Steve Hogarth has a really good voice and it is as emotional as Fish´s voice, but there is a big problem for me..
His pronunciation!! If I don´t have the lyrics in front of me it is difficult to hear what he is singing about. He is often mumbling and this irritates me. I wish he would sing clearly.
Does anyone agree with me ?(or disagree)
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Posted: June 16 2006 at 21:03 |
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He does tend to mumble during some of the slower moments (especially at the beginning of "Fantastic Place"); however, I've never really had a problem understanding him. That could come with hearing Marbles many o' times, though.
That said, the brilliance of Marbles never ceases to amaze me.
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Posted: June 17 2006 at 04:03 |
 E-Dub wrote:
He does tend to mumble during some of the slower moments (especially at the beginning of "Fantastic Place"); however, I've never really had a problem understanding him. That could come with hearing Marbles many o' times, though.
That said, the brilliance of Marbles never ceases to amaze me.
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Posted: June 17 2006 at 08:13 |
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I don't really have a problem with Hogarth's mumbling on Marbles in fits in with the loungy feel of some of the tracks off the album, perfectly accompanied by Rothery's new found interest in jazz, displayed in his solos.
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Posted: June 17 2006 at 08:22 |
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Hogarth's voice is fine by me.
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: June 17 2006 at 10:03 |
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I kind of prefer it to Fish. But I know I'm a minority by that...
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Posted: June 17 2006 at 11:51 |
An exclusive minority, BePink.
I don't see a problem when H is rather mumblin' somtimes cause I can read the lyrics in the booklet and I love it if it sounds a little odd and I have to wonder about the words !
Long live the Post-Fish-Marillion ( which, to me, after so many years and albums are the real Marillion anyway, in spite of many fine songs from before )
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Posted: June 17 2006 at 11:56 |
Actually, there are many times when I found Fish hard to understand. And yes, there are also times I find H a little "mumbly." However, mumbling is often used as a "device" for effect. One hopes that it is not overused, and that lyrics will be understandable.
Ultimately, I love both of their voices equally for different reasons.
Peace.
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Posted: June 17 2006 at 13:26 |
Styistically Fish and Hogarth are different vocalists. Where Fish was more expressive with his vocals, Hogarth has a better overall range. But I guess that doesn't really go with the topic? I think Hogarth does mumble sometimes, but it doesn't really mar the quality of the music they write. I mean, it was hard to understand Fish sometimes. All vocalists do it at one point or another, so it isn't really a big deal.
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Posted: June 17 2006 at 18:22 |
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I used to like Fish's voice - because I didn't listened to Genesis with Peter Gabriel back in 1983 (I would discover Gabriel's work with Genesis - and his solo albums - two years later). Apart from this, Steve Hogarth was always a favorite of mine - his work on "Easter" is better than anything Fish sang.
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Posted: June 17 2006 at 18:37 |
BePinkTheater wrote:
I kind of prefer it to Fish. But I know I'm a minority by that... |
If sat down with gun to head and was forced to choose between the two...I would probably go with Hogarth. Though I think Fish a better songwriter within the band.
As far as the band on a whole, I enjoy the pre-Hogarth music more. I think it would be a kick to hear Hogarth sing on more Fish tracks.
P.S. - I absolutely love the Hogarth version of Warm Wet Circles/That Time of the Night on their 'Wish You Were Here' DVD.
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Posted: June 20 2006 at 15:17 |
there are quite some old tracks sung well by hogie, like "Slainte Mhath", "Sugar Mice", "Lavender", "Garden Party", "script"... but i definately don't like to hear him sing "Kayleigh" and I prefer songs from "Season's end" onwards when they're playing LIVE...
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Posted: June 20 2006 at 15:25 |
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I prefer Fish but I really enjoy Brave and Steve is a good vocalist. Fish lauch many greats albuns and Marillion too. I think that both are in good vibes.
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Posted: June 20 2006 at 15:27 |
Hey I'm not newbie anymore. (hahahah)
And folks, sorry my english is not so good.
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Posted: June 21 2006 at 01:54 |
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I think Steve H has a diction problem and at times tries to sing outside his limitations , Fish`s voice to me always sounds relaxed . I didn`t think much of Marbles BTW I thought it was lame
Edited by Masque - June 21 2006 at 01:56
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Posted: June 22 2006 at 16:52 |
Hogarth reminds me of combination of Roy Orbison and an Islamic Imam...
I have Marbles, and I'm not too fond of it. It reminds me too much of U2, Coldplay, and other "alterna-pop" bands. Invisible Man is pretty cool, but it is a soundscape, much like their other works on Marbles. My favorite thing about progressive rock is composition, but you won't find much of that on Marbles... Not even decent songwritings. They've taken on the contemporary laziness of writing soundscapes.
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Posted: June 23 2006 at 14:58 |
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The only problem I have with Steve H is he always comes off sounding melancholly, and it seems to be the only emotion he can thoroughly express. He also lacks the quirkiness of Fish, but that may come as a relief to some I suspect.
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Posted: June 23 2006 at 15:15 |
Obscure Scottish poet vs. Obscure English mumbler 
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Posted: June 23 2006 at 15:26 |
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Posted: June 23 2006 at 16:21 |
I'm inspired to make a poll, but I think it might just be too silly. 
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