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Topic: Trolling?
Posted: July 12 2006 at 16:53

Looks like it's been dealt with

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Posted: July 12 2006 at 15:52

More trolling, please sort this out!

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26050&PID=2076501#2076501

Thanks!

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Posted: July 11 2006 at 03:41

Ricochet wrote:

Ghost Rider wrote:

If you go and have a look at that thread again, you'll find the explanation. It seems that he is a she whose boyfriend (who apparently dumped her) is a forum member. This is her way to get back at him. She thought she was the only female here, but I quickly disabused her of such a notion. Wink

Oh....then that explains everything... LOL

(1. a boyfriend in love with prog
2. a girlfriend...as usual...detesting the prog
3. a conflict of which is more important
4. a dump in favor of justified pleasant thing in life Wink

5. MAD REVENGE!! Angry

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6.

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He wasn't my boyfriend exactly...he was sort of, I had a crush on him. It's not a case of him choosing prog music over me, it's a case of prog reminding me of him.

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Posted: July 11 2006 at 03:25

Lordy! I was never a troll. I was starting a discusion topic because I was bored on a Friday afternoon! I hardly ever come here! Oh well, water under the bridge, I googled this SN since I use it for another board and stumbled across this thread! Haha.. wow. Oh well...

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Posted: July 10 2006 at 01:09

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

And for the record: I did not introduce JBJ to that thread ... LOL

I have that honor. :-P But I'm glad I did: we unmasked your true colors! ;-)

Pointless story: The reason I mentioned JBJ is because I read somewhere that the JBJ box set is called "One Million Bon Jovi Fans Can't Be Wrong," and the writer snarkily pointed out that, actually, they could.

Back on topic: I think it's ok for the mods to be lenient on trolls; it's the duty of the members not to get too involved and angry. This is a very loose forum anyway. Stuff like The Velvet Room would never fly on any of the other boards I frequent.

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Posted: June 22 2006 at 02:59

NaturalScience wrote:

Thought I'd share, since I participated (unfortunately) in her thread.

Truth is, I shared culpability by feeding the troll. Too often, these unsubtle flame threads or posts are just too hard to resist, and that's where the problems can start.

To be honest, I actually got some amusement out of that whole exchange (Snowie was great). Just as soon as she arrived, she was gone. Once I read here what her story was, I even felt a little bit bad. Looks like a case of misplaced anger and frustration at a failed romance. A more consistent troll would be more cause for concern, but if it got out of hand I'm confident the admins will handle it.

Everyone, keep reminding yourself: Don't feed the trolls! Smile

It's very easy to fall in a Trollbait:

Taking the bait: Refers to someone who responds to the original message regardless of whether they are aware the original message was intended to provoke a response. Often when someone takes the bait, others will point out to them YHBT for "You have been trolled". (Source Wikipedia)

Please do not feed the trolls

Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 22 2006 at 03:09

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Posted: June 21 2006 at 21:26

Thought I'd share, since I participated (unfortunately) in her thread.

Truth is, I shared culpability by feeding the troll. Too often, these unsubtle flame threads or posts are just too hard to resist, and that's where the problems can start.

To be honest, I actually got some amusement out of that whole exchange (Snowie was great). Just as soon as she arrived, she was gone. Once I read here what her story was, I even felt a little bit bad. Looks like a case of misplaced anger and frustration at a failed romance. A more consistent troll would be more cause for concern, but if it got out of hand I'm confident the admins will handle it.

Everyone, keep reminding yourself: Don't feed the trolls! Smile

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Posted: June 21 2006 at 21:15

Noted, Iván... and thanks!

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Posted: June 21 2006 at 15:55

bhikkhu wrote:

I am curious about this one. This member, jj1414, obviously is not a prog fan, and seems to just want to antagonise those that are.

Thread topic, Overrated

I sent a private message, asking why this person would do this, and in her reply she stated she wanted to discuss her dislike of Prog Rock and its "snotty fans".

- Moderator note,please do not post exact copies of PMs.These are Private Messages and should remain private.

Now, I'm pretty new here, and not that familliar with all of the rules, but do we really need to tolerate this kind of behavior? We're not doing this person any favors by encouraging it.

Having been member of several forums before (and some Spanish ones during my membership in Prog Archives), I do worry for this kind of people. We had the advantage of a team of Administrators who knew how to control and ban trolls, but most of the forums I been in have vanished due to the trolls.

A troll by definition is a person who is not interested in the issue on debate and posts only to attack the others, well a person who joins a Progressive Rock thread without liking Prog or trying to learn about Prog is a book case of TROLL.

Last year some of us wrote posts against our own members who irrupted in a Punk forum to attack Punk music (one of this members was later banned for other reasons), being that we considered that it was a non provoked attack because what Punks say against Prog IN THEIR OWN FORUM is not our business and it's not worst than what some of us say about Punk, Rap, Disco or Boys/girls bands inside Prog Archives.

If I say I hate Rap in Prog Archives, it's my taste and I'm allowed to but if I join a Rap forum to attack them or The Phil Collins Paradise to say this guy's music is crap.....I WOULD TURN INTO A TROLL.

There's something called self preservation, we come here to talk mainly about Prog not to be attaclked by a Prog hater or being insulted, somnetimes there are arguments between us, but that's a natural consequence of loving Prog, but a guy/woman who hates Prog and still joins Prog Archives is necesarilly a troll trying to cause problems.

If a doctor finds a cancer cell, he surgical removes it, doesn't wait untils it has speard, I believe we're entitled to do the same with people who join PA just bexcause they hate the main reason for what this forum was created.

That's my 2 cents.

Iván

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Posted: June 21 2006 at 11:17

     I just wanted to do a little follow up on the topic I started. I am sorry if I was out of line sharing a private message. It was from my bx, so I was considering it as sharing my mail. I live my life without secrets, so I am naturally open. I also wouldn't have done it if it had contained anything truly sensitive.
     Further posts on the original thread show that she may have come around. She was hurting, because of a failed romance, and lashed out. A few of us called her out, in a compassionate way, and forced her to take a look at what she was doing. If she was sincere, she saw the folly of her actions. I haven't seen any more posts from jj1414.
     I wasn't crying foul because she was attacking prog. I can handle that. In fact, we're all probably used to it. She was doing herself harm, and I don't like to enable that.

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Posted: June 21 2006 at 09:32

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ ok, one member of Bon Jovi dated Cher ... that's right out. LOL

Yuckkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!! this means this guy went with her after Greg Allman

BTW: I strongly dislike Dire Straits ... there's no accounting for taste.

Ever heard Love Over Gold from DS? Good album and proggish too!

Edited by Sean Trane - June 21 2006 at 09:33

let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword

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Posted: June 21 2006 at 09:25

I'd take a Hair band over Linkin Park any day.

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Posted: June 21 2006 at 09:17

lol ... the article sucks big time, because they chose Mötley Crüe as the "suckiest" metal band and didn't even consider Poison! LOL

Oh - they did consider Poison - but they decided that Quiet Riot sucks more than them. Shocked

Edited by MikeEnRegalia - June 21 2006 at 09:19

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Posted: June 21 2006 at 09:15

^ ok, one member of Bon Jovi dated Cher ... that's right out. LOL

BTW: I strongly dislike Dire Straits ... there's no accounting for taste.

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Posted: June 21 2006 at 09:08

wow, you are quick on the respônse I did not even get time to fetch the link I updated my post with, so here you are

Worst band in rock history > first press on the march Of The Mellotrons link than click on the apropriate link

check this link out: the essay is a bit anal, but I happen to agree with most of the results

http://www.gepr.net/articlesfram.html

Edited by Sean Trane - June 21 2006 at 09:09

let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword

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Posted: June 21 2006 at 09:08

C'est la vie, Hugues!

I mean, c'est ma vie! (oh no, a JBJ reference, don't hurt me!

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Posted: June 21 2006 at 09:05

Can there be no geniuses in "radio friendly glam metal"? And I didn't even say that he's a musical genius in an artistic way ... he simply writes awesome songs which are near 100% effective.

And for the record: I did not introduce JBJ to that thread ... LOL

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Posted: June 21 2006 at 09:03

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Off-topic comments are generally abusive. Sometimes they work and lead to a constructive discussion ... sometimes they totally destroy a thread (see the Opeth thread with my devastating Jon Bon Jovi/genius theory).

I guess that we could outlaw off topic posts - some forums do that, and it's quite effective. But it takes away much of the fun ...

involving JBJ with genius in the same sentence could've only destroyed a thread or make it a comedy thread

What where you thinking of Mike? JBJ represents everything I hate in radio friendly glam metal!!

check this link out: the essay is a bit anal, but I happen to agree with most of the results

http://www.gepr.net/articlesfram.html

Edited by Sean Trane - June 21 2006 at 09:06

let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword

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Posted: June 19 2006 at 14:34

I wouldn't like it if, having started a conversation on (say) footie with a guy in a pub, he then went on to slap me in the face with a wet fish if I had the audacity to mention golf, or Dream Theater, or sex........conversations evolve; so, within reason, can, and should, threads.

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Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:57

True indeed! Clap

I remember a discussion board I used to frequent a couple of years ago (it was not about music, though). At the beginning it was all very friendly and relaxed, then they gradually introduced a very strict form of moderation. Nowadays it resembles a concentration camp. I wonder what kind of fun people can have there!

BTW, I've seen very few threads go OT on this forum. On another board that I used to frequent, what the people did was to change the object of the post, when the thread had gone OT. I don't know, though, whether it would work here.