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Poll Question: Which is really Moody Blues sub genre?
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    Posted: June 20 2006 at 13:38
1964/1966: Beat Band
1967 to split: for me is a sort of Beat Prog but Symphonic
80's and today: AOR
 
 
But in these Prog period which is really sub genre of this band?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:14
Symphonic proto prog IMO..

I'm quite a big fan of the Moodies. Their symphonic elements on the 'big seven' albums were strong and gave them a true prog sound, but their repetoire was always very accessable, and quite chart freindly. In spite of this I think they always cunningly avoided being cheesy. I think 'Days..' 'To our Childrens..' and 'Seventh Sojourn' are their best albums. Very uplifting music!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:18
    I've always considered them straight prog (perhaps symphonic). Just because some of their tunes were catchy, and chart -friendly, it shouldn't mean exclusion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:29
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

     I've always considered them straight prog (perhaps symphonic). Just because some of their tunes were catchy, and chart -friendly, it shouldn't mean exclusion.


I dont think they had the complexity that was synonomous with other prog bands of the early 70's. I'm happy they're in the archives, though. A great 'symphonic art rock' band??
      
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:36

 I love the Moodies also but to me they've always been a commercial pop band with proggy tendencies. Yes alot of people claim Days of Future Past was the first prog album which may be true, but they have always displayed their love of Beatle-esque melody inspired pop tunes first and foremost.

By the way Im not sure I really understand the poll question.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:50
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

     I've always considered them straight prog (perhaps symphonic). Just because some of their tunes were catchy, and chart -friendly, it shouldn't mean exclusion.


I dont think they had the complexity that was synonomous with other prog bands of the early 70's. I'm happy they're in the archives, though. A great 'symphonic art rock' band??
      
    


     Yeah, I guess the exact classification isn't really important. I never considered them to be at the same level, but in the same realm of music. I was thinking more of the way I classified them way back when. To me, they were in the same club as Yes, Genesis, etc. I think it is interesting that you used the term 'art rock band.' In the old days, that was the only term I heard applied to those bands, in order to set them apart.
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2006 at 14:53
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

     I've always considered them straight prog (perhaps symphonic). Just because some of their tunes were catchy, and chart -friendly, it shouldn't mean exclusion.


I dont think they had the complexity that was synonomous with other prog bands of the early 70's. I'm happy they're in the archives, though. A great 'symphonic art rock' band??
      
    


     Yeah, I guess the exact classification isn't really important. I never considered them to be at the same level, but in the same realm of music. I was thinking more of the way I classified them way back when. To me, they were in the same club as Yes, Genesis, etc. I think it is interesting that you used the term 'art rock band.' In the old days, that was the only term I heard applied to those bands, in order to set them apart.
    


When did the term 'Prog Rock' come into being? I was only 3 years old when the Moodies first split..
     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2006 at 15:00
Of those choices i would say symphonic proto-prog. Though i have no problems with where they are now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2006 at 15:24
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

When did the term 'Prog Rock' come into being? I was only 3 years old when the Moodies first split..
     

    
You got me Blacksword. I'm not that much older. I remember 'art-rock" being used up to the '80's. It was especially chafing when I heard it applied to Asia. I only recall the term progressive being applied to avant-garde artists like Bowie, Gabriel, and even Jack Bruce.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2006 at 03:36
art rock or symphonic prog. Just because they came before KC doesn't mean they were proto, definitely a full prog band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2006 at 13:32
Agree with the guy above.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 01:04
Voted for 'Other' as there is no such category as 'Symphonic Proto Prog'! This is over categorising!

We cannot lump the Moody Blues in with the Beatles or Gabriel, Parsons, and Saga, in with Kate Bush! All these artists are Progressive Rock artists to the core but do not fit any of the existing Prog Archives defined genres...except arguably Art Rock.

Rather than going mad with loads of extra more specific categories, lets just have a 'General Prog' category which is self explanetory and does not confuse.

Moody Blues may have been Proto Kaw in the 60s but they produced a lot of out and out prog in the 70s and 80s so that is where they should go..Progressive Rock!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2006 at 21:34
moodies... symphonic?... no...

other... Art-Rock is where I'd put them..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 09:12
Art- Rock or Symphonic

I hate proto-prog because it means that proto-prog is not progressive.
I think the problem is that some people that judge themselves specialists in progressive rock want to change the definition of the genre. What was considered progressive in the seventies must be considered progressive today.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 12:49
Vaguely Prog-related Regular Pop/Rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 12:51
Originally posted by video vertigo video vertigo wrote:

art rock or symphonic prog. Just because they came before KC doesn't mean they were proto, definitely a full prog band.
Not if you listen to the actual songs. Come on, that kind of basically catchy Pop/Rock songwriting just isn't Prog. They were in some way part of pointing in the direction of Prog, but the way they repeated very smiple melodic lines, pounding them into your head without varying them is just not how Prog works.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 15:15
A pop/rock band that got an orchestra to fill in the silences on their first LP and liked the effect, so kept doing it.

None of the songs I've heard of theirs are remotely Proggy in themselves - it's the orchestral atmosphere that conjours up "l'essence du Prog" - but the music itself doesn't develop or feel spontaneous in character.

It feels like a bunch of rather good songs strung together.
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 16:31
Listen to House of Four Doors pt1 and pt2, Legend of a Mind, Om, Have You Heard pt 1 - the voyage - Have you Heard pt2, Beyond, Procession, My Song. They are even prog in the "new definition" that is only valid in this website.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 20:29
^If any of those tracks are on any of Children's Children, Lost Chord, Days of Future Passed, Seventh Sojourn or Threshold of a Dream, I have heard them more times than I want to think about.

It's Pop/Rock, repetitive to a fault and spectacularly unadventurous in phrasing, melodic interval, structural elements and in harmony. Sorry - I honestly can't be bothered to sit down and analyze it in acute detail, because if you listen to one of those songs even once through, much less a few times in order to find its essence, it's stuck in your bloody head for days. In fact, just thinking about them I now have I'm Just a Singer (In a Rock n Roll Band) going through my head over and over. Thanks...

(I do quite like Nights in White Satin, actually - but consider it a Pop/Rock song nonetheless)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 20:40
Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:


In fact, just thinking about them I now have I'm
Just a Singer (In a Rock n Roll Band) going through my head over and
over. Thanks...


It could be worse. You could have something from the current top 40 stuck there.
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