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Posted: June 13 2006 at 10:34 |
I GIGANTI — Terra In BoccaReview by williampantuflo
I can t find terra in bocca s lyrics, if you know where can i get them send me a mail to [email protected] Por un lado, muy buenos arreglos vocales y música interesante para la época. Por otro lado, ¿qué carajo dicen las letras? no entiendo nada. Me encantaría conseguilas aunqusea en italino. si saben algo, mi mail es [email protected] Enrico maria papes has a grear voice. I would like to know if he has another band. I think that i giganti is terrific, but be carefull if you listen to something after terra in bocca, they were terrible is true ,but they were also funy. So, if you want to listen to good music from i giganti listen to terra in bocca. But if you want to have some fun listen to their first albums. jajj, you can dance naked in front of the mirror singing "Tema". Please if you know sth about papes mail me, if you know where can i download terra in bocca lyrics, mail me. i m waiting. pd: the only word that i understand is "bambino"
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 12:13 |
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 21:21 |
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=81098
looks like it's written by a elementary school student :\
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 22:21 |
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 11:55 |
DREAM THEATER — Falling Into InfinityReview by DreamT (Max)
New Millenium and Trial Of Tears are essentials to any prog fan... Hell's kitchen is beautiful, amazing, one of the best instrumental of the band. Hollow years is so beautiful,yeah when you'll sad you will listen a lot of this song. Peruvian skies amazing too, an excellent album !
Posted Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 10:48 EST | Permanent link
Weak review, IMO.
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 13:40 |
The review fell into infinity...
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 16:38 |
erm .....
Art Rock
(Boxset/Compilation, 2003)
Avg: 5.00/5
from 1 ratings
TALK TALK — Introducing
Review by
swpics41
— First review of this album —
Does this album exist???? I can't find it in any discography other than on this site.
If it does exist it would get 5 star rating from me, as it is a neat compilation that
includes three none album b sides ( including the gorgeuos John Cope ), and a great
James Marsh picture for the cover. Looks and sounds very tasty indeed.
Posted Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 16:26 EST
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 18:29 |
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 00:40 |
UTOPIA — Todd Rundgren's Utopia
Review by
BertstownOH67
Before UTOPIA, Todd Rundgren dabbled into art-rock. He did a song on 'Runt', he used a
few songs on 'Something/Anything', and 'A Wizard/A True Star'. His first true art-rock
album outside UTOPIA was 'Initiation', which gave him the idea for UTOPIA! I rarely
listened to this album, but now I might try to find it on CD.
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Atkingani
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 08:41 |
Noted, Rico!
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 09:35 |
Prog Related (Studio Album, 1974) Avg: 3.93/5 from 18 ratings
ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA — Eldorado: A SymphonyReview by msgtpierson
Everyone seems to have said it all, so this is brief. Yes, it's a great cocept album that smacks of a concert. Yes, I think people tend to overrate it a little (including me, I suppose), but I agree that this was a turning point in ELO's history. For me it is the weaker of the albums in their "Classic" period, but it is still an excellent release.
Can't Get it Out of My Head> is still one of my all-time favorite rock songs... any band, any era. I also truly love Eldorado, where Jeff gives us a very rare glimpse of his vocal abilities. And Illusions in 'G' Major is a little cheesy, but it sounds like one of those "garage" songs a band does to have a little fun.
Solid rock album!
Scott
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The review is ok but its turning everything after it into italic and its annoying to read
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Some swear they see me weeping in the poppy fields of France
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 10:24 |
Something happened to the review.Except Joolz and half of msgtpierson's latest,all the text is italic.Why? Edit: nevermind,saw Joolz notifying that already
Edited by Ricochet - June 15 2006 at 10:25
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 12:05 |
Neither of these tell me anything at all about the music:
This first one invalidates himself
DAVE GREENSLADE — From The Discworld
Review by
marcosperezdearce
.. after the first theme I knew that the rest of it was ment to be horrible...the album is
based on a novel, and the book inside have a very nice artwork, but the music my
friends...not only the melodies are bad, but the instruments! dave greenslade
get "modernized" and he forgot the moog, the mellotron, the clavinet, well... all those
beautifull instrumens that he handeled so well in the past.. now he use the digital
tecnology, anb he used maybe only one keyboard with an enoying sound... worst than the
ones that use the modern wakeman! and those are bad! well... I just wouln't recomend
this album to enyone. some people would say that the pentateuch of the gosmogony is
bad, I like that album..I hated this one! and I have listen to itonly once, in a music store!
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DAVE GREENSLADE — From The Discworld
Review by
RaphaelT
(Zbigniew Dudek)
Well, in my opinion music deserves maximum 3 stars, since it's quite enjoyable, even it is
boring. However I should award the aim of this record, which was to be musical illustration
of Terry Pratchett's Discworld Cycle. These books represent all progressive values: they
are hilarious, contain intellectual allusions, present our basic ideas in the light of humour,
providing us with critical knowledge of world that surround us. And this record served its
purpose - depicting this world - very well. Each song represents main characters of
following books, starting from Colour Of Magic, ending with Small Gods. They differ in
moods, are quite simple, but instantly we catch the main features of mentioned book, e.g.
the grim mood of Macbethian Wyrd Sisters. So this record smoothly corresponds with the
Discworld cycle, which I already proved progressive. Therefore I grant it with 5 stars note
for it, and an average 4 stars - essential addition to any prog music collection.
Posted Sunday, September 04, 2005, 17:48 EST Don't know what to make of the second one - he says it's boring yet gives it 4*
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 12:16 |
First one to be deleted.
The second review... well, it can be boring and still essential. To be kept.
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 12:54 |
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=27646
GONG
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Review by Bryan (Bryan Adair) [Special Collaborator Prog-Metal & Post-Rock Specialist] Posted 2:32:10 AM EST, 8/25/2004
This album displays Gong at a tough point in their existance. Daevid Allen was freshly departed, but Pierre Moerlen had yet to take control. If you listen to what came before it (the psychadelic genius of You), Shamal is a complete change. Mike Howlett was more or less in control, and under him, Gong put out the most straightforward, least challenging album of their history. While Steve Hillage and Didier Malherbe were still there to provide some classic Gong flavor, this is really not Gong. So what is it? Well really, this is the sound of a band without direction. With no one in particular there to control them, Gong seemed unable to focus on the task of making a new album. As a result, they quite simply do a bunch of generic, uninspired jazz with slight middle eastern influence. Hillage is only featured on two songs, and his guitar work is the unquestionable hilight of the album, providing something that stands out from the rest of the band, who seem intent on playing it safe. Even when someone does step out from the crowd and attempt a solo, the results come out as generic, and fall completely short of Gong the psychadelic space-rock fusion pioneers. This isn't Gong, nor is it Pierre Moerlen's Gong. This is a horrid, disgusting monster that just so happened to be trapped in between the two major phases of this fine band. For completists only. |
Well, I wanted to write a lot here, but I won't. According to this review I should have never listened to this album. And this is wrong, wrong, wrong.
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Güdron wrote:
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=27646
GONG
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Review by Bryan (Bryan Adair) [Special Collaborator Prog-Metal & Post-Rock Specialist] Posted 2:32:10 AM EST, 8/25/2004
This album displays Gong at a tough point in their existance. Daevid Allen was freshly departed, but Pierre Moerlen had yet to take control. If you listen to what came before it (the psychadelic genius of You), Shamal is a complete change. Mike Howlett was more or less in control, and under him, Gong put out the most straightforward, least challenging album of their history. While Steve Hillage and Didier Malherbe were still there to provide some classic Gong flavor, this is really not Gong. So what is it? Well really, this is the sound of a band without direction. With no one in particular there to control them, Gong seemed unable to focus on the task of making a new album. As a result, they quite simply do a bunch of generic, uninspired jazz with slight middle eastern influence. Hillage is only featured on two songs, and his guitar work is the unquestionable hilight of the album, providing something that stands out from the rest of the band, who seem intent on playing it safe. Even when someone does step out from the crowd and attempt a solo, the results come out as generic, and fall completely short of Gong the psychadelic space-rock fusion pioneers. This isn't Gong, nor is it Pierre Moerlen's Gong. This is a horrid, disgusting monster that just so happened to be trapped in between the two major phases of this fine band. For completists only. |
Well, I wanted to write a lot here, but I won't. According to this review I should have never listened to this album. And this is wrong, wrong, wrong. |
My modest opinion:
- The review is well structured.
- Bryan supports all his opinions.
- There are no contradictions from what he stated.
You may agree or not with his opinion and taste but that's not enough to consider it an abusive review.
IMO should be kept.
Iván
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 17:37 |
"Shamal"'s review is OK.
Also there are other reviews about this album, if I intended to purchase it I'd read all of them and later do a kind of average to take the decision to buy or not.
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Sorry if I post such a long review. It's very probably not really "inappropriate", but there are some remarks there which I think are quite out of place. YES — Close to the Edge
Review by
Ghandi 2
(Nick)
A masterpiece? I think not.
Before I begin, a note to fans new to Symphonic or prog in general: DO NOT BUY THIS
ALBUM! New prog fans should get DSOTM by Pink Floyd instead, (see my review for the
reasons why. If it is not up at the time you are reading this, I promise to finish it soon.)
and new symphonic fans should get SEBTP by Genesis instead. In fact, i would
recommend Relayer over this by far; it's not very symphonic, but it's a lot better than
this. If CTTE had been my first prog album, I would never have gotten into prog. Also,
I would like to point out to you that several albums in the Top 10 have a higher rating
than this, but this is number one simply because it has more ratings than ANY other
album on this website.
I know I am sort of adding to the problem by writing this long review, especially since
my 2 stars can in no way affect its position since so many people have given it 5 stars,
but I feel that what I am about to say should be said. I would give it one star, but I can
not in do so in good conscience; there has to be something in this album that's worth
inspiring such insane adulation even if I can't find it, and I do like parts of it. And I have
listened to this album at least 12 times. I just don't like it. Maybe if I listened to it more I
would like it more, but the pain of listening to it five more times is not worth the possible
payoff of maybe liking it in the future.
And now, a personal story. Those who do not care can skip ahead, but I offer it as an
explanation to the legions of Yes fans, whose fierceness rivals perhaps only that of
Dream Theater's, as to perhaps why I do not like this album, and as a warning to
others. At the time which I got this album, I had never heard a symphonic album; the
main thing I had heard were Pink Floyd. I had also listened to Days of Future Passed
from the library. My research of prog told me that Pink Floyd were different from the
other "classic" prog bands, so I assumed that most of the other people regularly used
an orchestra; even Floyd used an orchestra on Atom Heart Mother. So, knowing the
definition of the word "symphonic" and not being exposed to much prog, I went into
this expecting something similar to The Moodies (who I don't like, BTW) crossed with
Pink Floyd; at the very least, something with STRINGS. This album has no orchestra,
which I think the Symphonic page really needs to make more clear with a title as
misleading as "symphonic." Just a warning. And it's the slightest bit possible that my
dislike of this album stems from this surprise and disappointment, although I don't think
so since I actually liked it on first listen.
Before I begin (I know that you're saying Who 4 paragraphs before beginning the
review? I'm sorry; this review ran away from me with its length.), first I would like to
give a word about the packaging: simply put, it's horrible. The stupid green box stands
out when it is placed in a row of regular CDs; the CD itself is the super-lame standard
Atlantic cover, showing the laziness or apathy of Yes and/or the marketing department;
the cover is not very interesting, since gradients are boring; and the liner notes are
nothing short of rage-inspiring. They breathlessly praise every second of the album as
absolute, incredible, unbelievable, unparalleled genius. You know, Yes, other people
put CRITICISMS in their album and let the music speak for itself, instead of trying to
influence the listener's opinion with high praise. Many of the reviews in the King Crimson
remasters say some negative things; the closest ELP comes to praising themselves in
the Brain Salad Surgery booklet is calling Toccata "ferocious"; Pink Floyd don't even
have liner notes in their albums.
CTTE--Ah, the title track of prog's most famous album. People praise this as a
masterpiece, innovative, ahead of its time, the best song ever; the list goes on and on.
Well you know what? It's not. This song is roughly nineteen minutes long, Yes' longest
song at that time and has four parts. (three of which share the exact. same. theme.)
Mind you, this was released after Pink Floyd's Echoes and Atom Heart Mother, Van der
Graaf Generator's A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers, Caravan's Nine Feet Underground,
Soft Machine's Moon in June, and Magma's Riah Sahiltaahk, to name the ones that I can
find--and all of them are longer than CTTE. Now I am not saying that by 1972 epics
were passe, but from the subsequent albums' formats it almost seems like that after
Fragile Yes said, "Oh crap! We don't have any epics!" And then after CTTE they
said, "We need to have more epics than anyone else so we can be more prog. I know,
let's have a double album of epics! Then we can have more epics on one album than
anyone else has in their entire career!" [obviously some other bands at that time had
more epics, like Soft Machine, but they're so weird that they don't really count. ;-) ]
And then after TFTO was a failure they retreated to one epic (ironically, their best
one), and then once prog became out of style they said, "Oh no, prog isn't popular
anymore! No more epics! We're pop now! Really!" with 90125. Obviously I exaggerate,
but that is sort of the impression I get.
Now for the analysis of the actual song: the opening and closing 4 minutes are by far
the best parts of the song. In fact, it kind of feels like a lot of the rest of the song
(especially part 3) is there simply to extend the length of the song--so Yes can have an
epic. The lyrics for this song, as with the whole album, absolutely infuriate me if I pay
attention to them. However, I understand that Jon was stringing together sounds; but
what I don't understand is why he has an ENTIRE SECTION (part 3) carried ENTIRELY
by his voice and the lyrics. At least I can ignore the lyrics more or less for the rest of
the album, but on part 3, almost everything drops out except for Jon singing the inane
lyrics so seriously and Wakeman playing thirds on his keyboard. I'm not sure why, since
other bands' nonsense lyrics don't bother me too much, but "I get up. I get down." on
part 3 makes me want to smash and crush something. Maybe it's the voice. The lyrics,
along with the packaging, are one some of the things that bring the score down to two
stars.
By the way, the lyrics for this song are loosely based on Siddartha by Herman Hesse,
but don't think the lyrics will make much more sense if you read the book; I did, and a
few lines make a bit of sense; but the rest of it is still gibberish. You should still read
Siddhartha because it is a good book. Moving on, like the rest of album, Wakeman's
solos sound like he's fighting the rest of the band for dominance; as soon as everyone
else relaxes for a minute, he's there with his solo, but then they have rested enough,
it's over; and they push him back into the background. This is especially true on Siberian
Khatru, where Howe actually cuts Wakeman off in what sounds like the middle of his
harpsicord solo. Bruford's drumming is good, and it's unique that he hits the bass drum
when Squire plays his slow bass notes, but I don't see why he's a legend; I've heard
that his drumming with King Crimson is better, which may be it. I'm not saying he's a
bad drummer, but don't expect any earth-shattering drumming on this album.
And You And I--My favorite song on the album. It features some nice guitar from
Howe, and it's this song, along with the good parts of CTTE and Siberian Khatru that
save this from a one star. The lyrics are slightly better on this one--at least I can tell
that it's a love song--which is one of the reasons that I like this song more. And, more
importantly, I think the music is much better than CTTE's.
Siberian Khatru--And then it goes downhill again. The intro to this song is good, but
again Jon returns to the rage inspiring lyrics with the chorus, and again the music
returns to the laziness of the title track. I counted; Wakeman plays that accursed
keyboard riff over TWENTY TIMES! In a 9 minute song! It's not like it's that hard to
play; if somebody showed me it, I could play it, and I've only played piano for less than
a year. Now it would take a lot more practice for me to play it than for Wakeman, and I
could never write it, but my point is that there's no reason for him to be repeating it
that much, since it's not earth-shatteringly good and it's not nearly impossible to play,
which would show off Wakeman's technical abilities. (I hate it when prog does things to
show off, but that is for another time.) People say the end solo is great, but I think it is
way too long and meanding, and seems to only be there to add length to an album
which is already rather short. But maybe I only think that because I can't appreciate
Howe's guitar properly because I am too busy internally screaming at Wakeman for
playing that infernal riff AGAIN.
While on the subject of Wakeman, I would like to give my thoughts: he's really not that
good, and I'm not sure why he's so famous. His damn cape is one of the reasons prog is
ridiculed, and his compositions lack depth, even though he is technically quite good and
he has a formidible working knowledge of synthesizers. I think many concert pianists
(and perhaps even famous Jazz pianists) could outplay him, but Wakeman gets points
for playing something he wrote, unlike the concert pianists. I think that the Google
video which comes up when you search for Rick Wakeman (which I cannot link to here
because the script does not like the link) explains what I dislike about Wakeman. On
first listen, that solo is quite impressive, and he deserves credit for being able to play
that fast. However, if you listen again, you'll notice that for a good portion of it that he
is essentially playing the same thing over and over again. And then, instead of
developing the calliope lead and piano ideas, he ends his solo with a completely out of
place honky-tonk piano number. What!? Just a minute ago you were playing that flute
thing, which has nothing at all to do with honky-tonk piano.
This concludes my review, which is, as far as I know, the only articulate negative
review of this album on PA; but I'm not glancing through all of these reviews to make
sure.
Now don't let my lone voice in the wilderness dissuade you from getting this, although I
don't think there's anything I could say that would change someone's mind about
buying this since it is so highly rated; almost everyone else seems to simply adore it,
and you might too. But please, if you don't like it, don't let it scare you away from prog
or the symphonic sub-genre.
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