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Topic: Overrated? Posted: June 14 2006 at 23:02 |
How can a prog be overrated? I just don't see this word useful in music.
SO What makes a Prog band overrated?
Edited by Xenoxen - June 14 2006 at 23:02
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 23:15 |
Xenoxen wrote:
How can a prog be overrated? I just don't see this word useful in music.
SO What makes a Prog band overrated? |
prog bands are not overrated.... fans of the band overrate it... quite simple actually.
Simple example... the multitude of 5 star reviews to an album which was
nowhere near this particular groups greatest or best works... groups
evolve and improve..... bit according to some group's fans... this
group jumped right into prog and started making masterpieces of prog
hahahha.
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 23:19 |
There are cases of something being overrated, usually with cheap pop bands that are being pushed by the media to being super hip and popular, while many truly alented prog bands remain obscure because no one promotes them. They don't because prog is not for everyone and it's so much harder to make a teen girl like Hella than green day.
They promote what's the most marketable without paying much attention to the quality, so most of this music is complete sh*t.
In the prog world, there are a few bands that are overrated because they are over-the-top rated, like DT albums(don't get me wrong, DT are one of my all time favorite bands, I love them). I mean, over 300 ratings for octavarium, mostly people passing by who don't know much other prog, while a lot of more obscure bands with albums better that deserve more attention. I don't like the term Underrated though, "overlooked" is much better. They're not really rated too low(usually if a band/album is rated very low it deserves it), they're just not getting the attention they deserve due to labels not willing to promote.
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Posted: June 14 2006 at 23:30 |
I can't wait to see this thread alienate three quarters of the site.
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 01:07 |
This topic is overrated!
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 01:17 |
It has to do with objectivity. It's a hard task to step back and give something you love an accurate analysis. Overrated may be too extreme a term, but some things may get valued more than is warranted.
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 01:33 |
bhikkhu wrote:
It has to do with objectivity. It's a hard task to step back and give something you love an accurate analysis. Overrated may be too extreme a term, but some things may get valued more than is warranted. |
Very good Explanation.
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 02:09 |
micky wrote:
Xenoxen wrote:
How can a prog be overrated? I just don't see this word useful in music.
SO What makes a Prog band overrated? |
prog bands are not overrated.... fans of the band overrate it... quite simple actually.
Simple example... the multitude of 5 star reviews to an album which was nowhere near this particular groups greatest or best works... groups evolve and improve..... bit according to some group's fans... this group jumped right into prog and started making masterpieces of prog hahahha.
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yes..... so true and maybe this site should go to the 10 star system. It would be interesting to see how many nines we get in place of tens. The finer the scale, the more accurate the measure. They taught me that in Physics.
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 02:48 |
Overrated is overrated.
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 04:41 |
micky wrote:
Xenoxen wrote:
How can a prog be overrated? I just don't see this word useful in music.
SO What makes a Prog band overrated? |
prog bands are not overrated.... fans of the band overrate it... quite simple actually.
Simple example... the multitude of 5 star reviews to an album which was nowhere near this particular groups greatest or best works... groups evolve and improve..... bit according to some group's fans... this group jumped right into prog and started making masterpieces of prog hahahha.
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So if someone really like an album and it happens to be somewhat proggy, it is illegal to rate it 5 stars?
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 07:35 |
The Ryan wrote:
This topic is overrated! |
Your quote is overrated also.
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 07:44 |
Overrating stuff is overrated.
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 08:02 |
In my opinion you can better focus on the underrated, overlooked and underestimated bands because some bands got so much attention like Dream Theater, Tool, Pain Of Salvation, Arena, Opeth, etc. Of course these are good bands (not my cup of tea) but in my opinion the huge attention they got on this site is unbalanced with the little attention lots of great bands from Spain, Italy, Japan and Latin-America get. But thanks to the treads about these bands I have the idea that more and more progheads discover bands like Museo Rosenbach, Triana, Gerard and Nexus.
Nonetheless, to return to the origins of this thread, I think that bands like Dream Theater and Tool are overrated if you compare the quality of their music with, for example, Italian Le Orme and Banco or Spanish Triana and Cai or Argentine Crusis and Nexus.
Edited by erik neuteboom - June 15 2006 at 08:33
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 08:08 |
It would seem some fans would give a dishonest review to get the ratings (to overrate) up on a particular album, But why would fans be dishonest about a band they like? I just don't think the word overrated works. I think it's more of term used by people to put a band down they dislike.
You see if the bands are getting the good reviews it means the fans like them, so they can't be overrated. However if you dislike the band and a majority of the people love them you can say they are overrated. It really doesn't make sense.
IN CONCULSION: this word is never to be used again.
good day Humans
Edited by Xenoxen - June 15 2006 at 08:10
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 08:09 |
Teaflax wrote:
Overrating stuff is overrated. |
Your comment is overrated
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 09:54 |
Xenoxen wrote:
Teaflax wrote:
Overrating stuff is overrated. |
Your comment is overrated |
Refuting is also overrated.
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 11:27 |
bhikkhu wrote:
It has to do with objectivity. It's a hard task to step back and give something you love an accurate analysis. Overrated may be too extreme a term, but some things may get valued more than is warranted. |
Objectivity is not possible with music. There are objective qualities in music, some of them can even be quantified. But music cannot be discussed or judged solely on that level.
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 11:49 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
bhikkhu wrote:
It has to do with objectivity. It's a hard task to step back and give something you love an accurate analysis. Overrated may be too extreme a term, but some things may get valued more than is warranted. | Objectivity is not possible with music. There are objective qualities in music, some of them can even be quantified. But music cannot be discussed or judged solely on that level. |
I am not talking about quantifying music. I am talking about having an objective point of view. It would be easier for me to give an accurate review of Rush, than it would be for Genesis. I like both bands, but Genesis is very special to me. This was made very clear to me in a discussion comparing "Supper's Ready" to "Close to the Edge." Micky was making a point about strength of composition, and was detailing the merits of CTTE. At first, I didn't want to hear it. After I put my passion aside, I could see that he was making a valid point.
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Posted: June 15 2006 at 11:58 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
bhikkhu wrote:
It has to do with objectivity. It's a hard task to step back and give something you love an accurate analysis. Overrated may be too extreme a term, but some things may get valued more than is warranted. |
Objectivity is not possible with music. There are objective qualities in music, some of them can even be quantified. But music cannot be discussed or judged solely on that level.
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I agree that objectivity is not possible in music, even to quantify some qualities in music is only possible if you are very knowledgeable about music, i certainly lack that knowledge. It is possible to be objective about your own subjectivity though, i do feel that some people get carried away by their enthousiasm after listening to an album a few times.Then they give the album 5 stars without analyzing objectively how the album compares with other albums. I have even read comments by people that there should be a sixth star for real masterpieces, a situation these people created themselves by rating incorrectly in the first place.
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