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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2006 at 05:48
Thanks for the comments about the review.

Anyway, now to get on topic...
These are the John Zorn Albums I own.

- Ganryu Island (with Michihiro Sato)
- The Big Gundown: John Zorn Plays The Music Of Ennio Morricone (I'm not farmiliar with this piece as yet, I only brought it today!)
- Cobra
- Naked City
- Taboo and Exile (V.A. Music Romance vol.2)

Along with two painkiller albums.

Ganryu Island Is a collaboration between Zorn and Michihiro Sato. Michihiro Sato throughout the album plays what is sited to be a shamisen. I'm not to knowledgable to what this instrument is but it sounds like some from of ethnic guitar? in a very peculiar fashion. For me this contains some of the most interesting and inventive aways of playing the sax and other reed instruments I have ever heard. This again is not a easy listening, but very rewarding.

Taboo and Exile (V.A. Music Romance vol.2) This would have the be my favourite John Zorn album I own. I find this album has an arua of darkness surrounding the music... this is something I am greatly drawn towards. Over all I find this a very easy album to get into.

These are the two recommedations I can give from the material I have heard.

Also for those interested a little video of Naked City live.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ajS3cbkoZX0&search=sob
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2006 at 07:16
Well then, seems like I'll be getting Taboo and Exile then.
 
Anyone else knows his other numerous releases?
 
What are his first releases like? I'm refering to his albums between 1980 to 1985 (Pool, Archery, Locus Solus, The Classic Guide To Strategy, Volume One, Ganryu Island (with Michihiro Sato)).
 
Also, did anyone listen to his 2006 release Moonchild? I know MikeEnRegalia did and I remember him praising it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2006 at 07:20
Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

OK, here is what I'm down to for my next purchase (that are RIO/Avant Garde, or still along more experimental lines):
 
Ahvak - s/t
Deus ex Machina - Cinque
Far Corner - s/t
Guapo - Five Suns
Krakatoa - We Are the Rowboats
Matching Mole - s/t
Miriodor - Parade
Thinking Plague - In Extremis
 
I've put a handful off for later, but I'm stuck narrowing my list down for this one. If some of you can choose 3-5 off this list that would be the best choices I would appreciate it
 
 
Krakatoa! Big smile That album was my first ever Cuneiform purchase. I was still in my proggy infancy, but I spotted it on a trip to London and snaffled it up along with Pawn Hearts and the 2-on-1 release of Free Hand and Interview in a branch of Virgin (shameful, I know).
 
It's a lovely album. Very playful and light but full of invention. Avant-prog you could play with friends round.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2006 at 07:23
Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Bubu Anabellas sounds symphonic to me, with jazz-rock touches and RIO leanings. But I don't think Taal belong to RIO/avant category either. So it's just an opinion.
  
 
I struggle with the idea of Taal being avant-prog but Sympho and Prog Metal sure as 'ell don't want 'em so we've given them shelter in our quarters. Bubu, on the other hand, are far too dense, dark and angular to be symphonic, IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2006 at 07:33
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Well then, seems like I'll be getting Taboo and Exile then.
 
Anyone else knows his other numerous releases?
 
What are his first releases like? I'm refering to his albums between 1980 to 1985 (Pool, Archery, Locus Solus, The Classic Guide To Strategy, Volume One, Ganryu Island (with Michihiro Sato)).
 
Also, did anyone listen to his 2006 release Moonchild? I know MikeEnRegalia did and I remember him praising it.


In regards to Ganryu Island (with Michihiro Sato), just look above Wink I really like this album, though quite experiemental. Even though I have not heard Pool and Archery I know they are part of his collection of "games pieces". So I'm thinking they are going to have some of the same compositional values as Cobra.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2006 at 09:22
Oops sorry about Ganryu Island, I accidently put that in as well.
 
To move on, I have the album Garmonbozia by Ensemble Nimbus and I find it to be a good album although not something too exceptional and groundbreaking (the first track which is also the only long length track is vrey good and there are several others in the same level). Another band with Bruisson in the lineup, btw.
I was wondering if anyone has heard their previous Scapegoat and whether it is similar to Garmonbozia?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2006 at 10:13
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

To move on, I have the album Garmonbozia by Ensemble Nimbus and I find it to be a good album although not something too exceptional and groundbreaking (the first track which is also the only long length track is vrey good and there are several others in the same level). Another band with Bruisson in the lineup, btw.

I was wondering if anyone has heard their previous Scapegoat and whether it is similar to Garmonbozia?


Hmm, I have Scapegoat and it's pretty good, but I haven't heard Garmonbozia. I also have their debut, Key Figures, and like it the best of what I've heard from them; unfortunately it's on APM and so is doubtless long out of print.

Cool band though, vaguely Samla-esque which is unsurprising given the presence of Hasse Bruniusson. Also they kind of remind me of Daniel Denis' solo efforts at times.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2006 at 12:31
Hi Brandon,

I agree with your description of Samla-esque sound of this band.
I think I will get Scapegoat, cause in all fairness, how much wrong can I go with it?

Hasse Bruniusson is also a busy guy (but probably not as much as Zorn). But what I like about him (apart from the fact that I love the bands he played/plays in) is that he seems to not adhere to only one sort of music, if one looks at the different bands he's been through or is now

Samla Mammas Manna, Zamla Mammaz Manna, Fantasia, Nya Ljudbolaget, Triangulus, Ensemble Nimbus, The Flower Kings
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Plus his solo work - Mannaminne and Flying Food Circus.

But I digress.

Anyone cares to comment on the above question about Zorn?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2006 at 12:44
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

But I digress.Anyone cares to comment on the above question about Zorn?


I'm only familiar with Zorn's more recent stuff - the earlier material you ask about I don't know. I'm a sizeable Zorn fan, but mostly of his Masada-related stuff. Aside from that material, I like Naked City and that's about it, although the most recent Painkiller release (in the 50th birthday series) is AWESOME despite the fact that I actually kind of hate the original Painkiller stuff.

Of the Masada stuff, Bar Kokhba Sextet and Electric Masada are my favorites (both have discs in the 50th birthday series that are excellent). But it's pretty hard to go wrong with any of the (practically hundreds) of Masada-related releases out there, at least until listener fatigue sets in and it all starts sounding the same.

I have Moonchild and it's ok, but I'm starting to get tired of Mike Patton's shtick. There are more captivating Patton performances on that 50th Birthday Celebration Painkiller disc (for instance) anyway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2006 at 17:42
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

To move on, I have the album Garmonbozia by Ensemble Nimbus and I find it to be a good album although not something too exceptional and groundbreaking (the first track which is also the only long length track is vrey good and there are several others in the same level). Another band with Bruisson in the lineup, btw.
I was wondering if anyone has heard their previous Scapegoat and whether it is similar to Garmonbozia?
 
Actually, these two albums sound like two parts of one album, even design is similar. I had Scapegoat first and love it a lot, and when I got Garmonbozia it sounded to me as a direct continuation of first one.
  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2006 at 17:48
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Bubu Anabellas sounds symphonic to me, with jazz-rock touches and RIO leanings. But I don't think Taal belong to RIO/avant category either. So it's just an opinion.
  
 
I struggle with the idea of Taal being avant-prog but Sympho and Prog Metal sure as 'ell don't want 'em so we've given them shelter in our quarters. Bubu, on the other hand, are far too dense, dark and angular to be symphonic, IMO.
 
Yeah, you're right. Bands like Taal and Bubu might be quite difficult to categorize, and it does not matter in the end. But in the same time I do not regard "symphonic" as something light, straight-forward and easy diggestable by many.
 
  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2006 at 17:54
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Well then, seems like I'll be getting Taboo and Exile then.
 
Anyone else knows his other numerous releases?
 
What are his first releases like? I'm refering to his albums between 1980 to 1985 (Pool, Archery, Locus Solus, The Classic Guide To Strategy, Volume One, Ganryu Island (with Michihiro Sato)).
 
Also, did anyone listen to his 2006 release Moonchild? I know MikeEnRegalia did and I remember him praising it.


In regards to Ganryu Island (with Michihiro Sato), just look above Wink I really like this album, though quite experiemental. Even though I have not heard Pool and Archery I know they are part of his collection of "games pieces". So I'm thinking they are going to have some of the same compositional values as Cobra.
 
Classic Guide To Strategy is Zorn solo on sax, clarinet and assorted duck calls. It's hard work, especially volumes 1 and 2 on a single disc - one for hardcore free jazz fans only I'd say. His improvisational work with Fred Frith sounds like Kenny G in comparison.
 
Like Brandon and others I'm more familiar with Naked City (the debut is a classic) and Masada. Electric Masada (from the 50th birthday series - Vol 6 I think) is one of the best jazz releases so far this millennium IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2006 at 03:23
First review of mine of Art Zoyd: the debut (original recording not the re-recorded version of 81)
 
 

Art Zoyd – Le Jour Ou Brűleront Les Cités (76)

 

Little did Art Zoyd know that one day this album would become prophetic thirty years later. Hailing from, a small industrial (mining and steel) city in Northern France a stone’s throw from Belgium (Maubeuge is where one of my great-grandfather was born), no doubt these guys lived in those suburbs that they predicted one day from a revolt would burn. One of the most intriguing things is how these future musicians got into such an awesome and experimental avant-garde group as Art Zoyd. Apart from the fact that a lot of Northern France’s industrial cities were voting communist, one of the few positive things that communism ever brought was to make higher culture accessible to everyone including the poor (ESPECIALLY the poor), and this IMHO, might just be their (AZ) case. As was the case for Area, Henry Cow and other ultra avant-garde, Art Zoyd was resolutely left wing, much like all of the RIO-chart signatory groups (of which AZ were not original members but part of the second wave) and have a close link to Belgium’s Univers Zero, their career throughout.

 

I am writing the preface of this review under a hypothetical probability strictly knowing what the album has to offer in terms of story through the titles of their works (no lyrics since the music is totally instrumental except for wordless vocals), but there seems to be a solid thread or story, even pressing me to declare this album conceptual. The music, clearly inspired from Bartok, Stravinsky, and Henry Cow or Zappa’s “serious music” is screaming, yelling, howling its madness of the riots between Special Brigades and the activists wearing Masks into Masquerade (Simulacre is a sham or an pretentious enactment). This first side is simply stunning and the violence and tension ever present even if there is absolutely no rock element in their music (bar a short passage in Fourmis), but it fits their theme immaculately well.

 

The second side is an auto-criticism of those suburbs not yet in revolt: two tracks (the third one, Simulacre, still belonging to the first-side theme) depicting the never-ending suffering with an elusive hope of a brighter future (the revolt coming once this hope disappears). Fourmis (ants) is self-explanatory of their plight (with a passage compared to Canada Brass’ Flight Of The Bumblebee), while Carnival (a very important theme even in atheist circles) is one of those breaks were they are allowed to vent off their frustrations by deriding the ones dominating them. As you might expect, the music loses some of its solemnity in this last track to adopt a (relatively) more festive tone.

 

Clearly the works of violinist Gerard Hourbette, greatly helped by Zabotzieff (of Polish descent like many miners fleeing Poland’s misery in the late XIXth century) on bass and cello, the music is an impressive modern XXth classic, where my buddy JP Soarez soars on the woodwinds.

 

Dense, impenetrable or not easily accessible, this album (as most of AZ’s works) does not surrender easily to one’s taste buds.  As a matter of fact, this sometimes obtuse (because of its difficult nature) is not easily recommendable unless you are a confirmed fan of this RIO-Zeuhl music current. Hence the four star rating.

 

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prefer the sink to the gutter
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as well as a thinker,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2006 at 06:01
^^^^^ ... one of their under rated albums in my opinion.

Today while on my plight for new music. I stumbled upon a band called AMYGDALA. Listened to a few samples off their lone album and found myself quite atuned to their sound. They posses a dark sound somewhat similar to Present. I was wondering what people knew about this band? All I know is they hail from Japan. Whether they are worth checking out?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2006 at 08:45
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Today while on my plight for new music. I stumbled upon a band called AMYGDALA. Listened to a few samples off their lone album and found myself quite atuned to their sound. They posses a dark sound somewhat similar to Present. I was wondering what people knew about this band? All I know is they hail from Japan. Whether they are worth checking out?


This is an album that has gotten somewhat mixed reactions. I myself don't really like it that much - the ELPish keyboards sound kind of cheesy and the lack of a real drummer hurts too (the drums on this album are programmed throughout). For whatever reason the album annoys me more than anything else - maybe the compositions are a little disjointed as well. I don't really remember, haven't listened to it for a while.

For Japanese zeuhl you're better off with Koenihyakkei - even more crazily bombastic but a lot better executed IMHO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2006 at 18:05
Thanks for that. The one review I did find of the album gave it something like 6/15 so I was beginning to get a little dubious. Wow I find it qutie amazing they even attempt that sort of music without a drumer, to me that is one of the key parts Zeuhl.

Just listened to Koenjihyakkei; the song streamed on the site. Love the the intensity that seems to come for Japanese music. It reminds me somewhat of the Keiji Hanio album I own Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2006 at 18:17
Koenjihyakkei are on my next purchase list. Only I can't decide which album to get first. I don't have any right now. I think I'll go chronologically.

I lookede at the PA page for Yeti.
Anyone here knows them (I don't)? Any comment on their albums and music style? Only one review here and it is rather concise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2006 at 18:45
Don't know them either... but they sound interesting enough from what I read; a cross between post-rock with Magma and Univers Zero. Could we really go wrong Wink

Anyway here is a more detailed review which goes over each song.

From Aural Innovations #12 (September 2000)

Yeti - "Things To Come..."

Based in Ft. Worth, Texas, Yeti was the product of a merger between two related bands: One was the original Yeti with Tommy Atkins on bass, Jon Teague on drums, and Eric Harris on guitar. A related band was Est Mort which also included Atkins and Teague along with keyboardist Doug Ferguson (Ohm, Muz, Tone Float, Vas Deferens Organization). Eventually Ferguson was brought into to complete the lineup that appears on this CD.

In the most simplistic of terms I'd describe Yeti as being like Magma and Univers Zero dosed up and sent into space. Right from the first track, "Two Finger", the music is dark and thundering with a heart thumping bass, wailing guitar, and enough classic synth sounds to satisfy the most nostalgic of progressive fans. But there's nothing retro about Yeti's music. The influences are really all over the place and the music is developed such that each of the CD's four tracks (9 - 16 minutes) is nothing less than edge-of-your-seat gripping.

"Interstellar Biplane" is an intensely frantic tune with all musicians ripping up their instruments amidst the most controlled of chaos. The Magma influences are strong here though the keyboards give the music a distinctly Yeti stamp. There are lots of tempo changes and each segment is well structured and thought out. Heavy and complex, though accessible, and certainly majestic in its execution.

"Go Like This" is jazzy at the beginning, but soon develops an avant classical symphonic feel. The atmosphere is eerie with the keyboards setting the mood and drumming up images of more horror movies than I could list. The intensity builds to mercury bursting levels, and though the band returns somewhat to the Magma sound on the previous tracks the freakout factor is hight and mighty.

"Est Mort" starts as a creepy funeral keyboard bit, but the full band quickly kicks in to create a darkly symphonic piece that's quite powerful and even has a theatrical feel. Ferguson pulls out all the stops with his arsenal of keyboards and seems to dominate much of the music, though the guitar and potent rhythm section are integral to the whole of the piece. In fact, Harris takes the spotlight at one point to kick out some trippy, slightly bluesy, psych licks which sound all the better accompanied by Ferguson's keyboards.

In summary, fans of all things Zeuhl, RIO á la Univers Zero, and the heavy complex intensity of King Crimson will drool over this disc. And like Ohm, the varied classic keyboard sounds alone are worth the price of admission. HIGHEST recommendation.


There was also a less detailed review from Ground and Sky reviews which praised this albun also.

With Koenjihyakkei I'm thinking of getting their lastest album Angherr Shisspa. Seems to get pretty good reviews, along side the fact it will be the easiest one for me to get my hands on.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 10:12
If we're talking about Japanese nuttiness then surely Typographica deserve a mention too? I have great difficulty describing them much beyond "kinda... modern... henry cow-ish... music... stuff?". Can anyone do them better justice?
 
Oh, and for more Japanese brilliance seek out the incomparable Wha-ha-ha. I'll be adding them to the archives at some point over the summer (when I get back from college and have the internet at home again).
 
Edit: I'm so happy this thread still has life in it. Just one year ago this would never have survived for more than three days on PA. How times change!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 10:58
I have Tipographica's s/t album. In one minute of their music you get more than some other bands put in a song (a long song, mind you LOL).
Packed, diverse, eclectic, jumping around frantically, not staying in place etc.




It's good that this thread lives on. I will resurrect it if I see it going to oblivion.




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