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    Posted: June 09 2006 at 15:57
What do you guys think about this????
 
Joseph Vento, whose grandparents came from Italy, insists that customers at Geno's Steaks order in English. "Why should I have to bend" he says.
 
How do you say cheesesteak with in Spanish?

Joseph Vento, the owner of Geno's Steaks, doesn't know. And he doesn't care.

Just read the laminated signs, festooned with American eagles, at his South Philadelphia cheesesteak emporium: This is America. When Ordering, Speak English.

Vento's political statement - from a man whose Italian-born grandparents spoke only broken English - captures the anger and discontent felt by many Americans about illegal immigrants...

...The Ventos rarely left their South Philadelphia neighborhood. Now, in a way, the neighborhood has left the couple's descendants. Geno's sits at Ninth and Passyunk, the hub of Little Italy turned home to thousands of Mexicans.

Some try to order a cheesesteak. And it bugs Vento if they can't ask for American cheese, provolone or the classic - Cheez Whiz - without pointing.

"If you can't tell me what you want, I can't serve you," he said. "It's up to you. If you can't read, if you can't say the word cheese, how can I communicate with you - and why should I have to bend?

"I got a business to run."

Vento, who lives in Shamong, put up the signs when the immigration debate seized national headlines six months ago.

With Geno's Steaks tattooed on his arm, Vento is used to publicizing things, especially what's on his mind. Speak English signs also poster his Hummer. He has driven through South Philadelphia blaring through the SUV's P.A. system denunciations of neighborhood business owners who hire illegal immigrants.

"I say what everybody's thinking but is afraid to say," Vento said.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 16:02
Thumbs up Vento.

I have to agree with him on this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 16:26
I guess im not sure- if I had my own business I would LIKE to do the same- but I don't know if I would have the balls to go through with it........
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 16:34
I think it is pretty arrogant to expect people in other countries to be able to speak English to us when we are there - i.e., not to expect Americans to learn the native language of other countries - and then turn around and require that everyone in the U.S. learn English.  Ex-patriate Americans throughout the world often make no attempt to learn the native languages of the countries they go to, nor do most Americans make any attempt to learn even a modicum of the native language when they travel to another country.  Instead, they simply expect that everyone will be able to speak English to them.
 
Thus, while it would certainly seem logical to expect those who come here long-term to be able to be at least minimally conversant in English since it is our "native" language, to adopt the kind of extremist attitude that Mr. Vento has is repugnant in the the extreme.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 16:37
^^ Nice.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 16:40

I can see why, living in southern california.  To get a job here, you have to speak spanish, thats not really right I mean its not our native language why do Americans have to learn a new language because immigrants aren't learning English?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 16:44
I think it's great. If it were a government mandate, that would be one thing, but as a private businessman, he's well within his rights. I know that if I tried to move to, say, Germany without making any attempt to learn the language, people there would HATE me. I expect that and whenever I visit a foreign couintry, even for a few days, I make an attempt to learn a little of the language. Why should it be different in the USA?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 16:50
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

I think it is pretty arrogant to expect people in other countries to be able to speak English to us when we are there - i.e., not to expect Americans to learn the native language of other countries - and then turn around and require that everyone in the U.S. learn English.  Ex-patriate Americans throughout the world often make no attempt to learn the native languages of the countries they go to, nor do most Americans make any attempt to learn even a modicum of the native language when they travel to another country.  Instead, they simply expect that everyone will be able to speak English to them.
 
Thus, while it would certainly seem logical to expect those who come here long-term to be able to be at least minimally conversant in English since it is our "native" language, to adopt the kind of extremist attitude that Mr. Vento has is repugnant in the the extreme.
 
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I fully agree with this.  I would like to see him go to a foreign country and try to order some food and get neglected because he couldn't speak the language to see if he likes it.

The people are getting worse by the momment. What happened to those good qualities people had?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 16:53
Originally posted by Meddler Meddler wrote:

Thumbs up Vento.

I have to agree with him on this.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 16:58
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

I think it is pretty arrogant to expect people in other countries to be able to speak English to us when we are there.


What I think is arrogant is for someone to move into a country, work there, expect to spend their entire life there, and never make any attempt to learn the native language. I have never known an American who has done that (although I'm not saying there aren't any.) Vacationing is one thing, but permanent residents are another matter entirely.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 17:09
This is pretty arrogant, but no more so than Latin American flags outnumbering USA ones in the immigration protests.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 17:09
¿Qué tal si voy yo al lugarcito ése y soy mudo?
¿What happens if I got to that place, and I'm a mute?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 17:23
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

I think it is pretty arrogant to expect people in other countries to be able to speak English to us when we are there.


What I think is arrogant is for someone to move into a country, work there, expect to spend their entire life there, and never make any attempt to learn the native language. I have never known an American who has done that (although I'm not saying there aren't any.) Vacationing is one thing, but permanent residents are another matter entirely.
happens all the time, I have encountered many I usually avoid them when I can, but customers at my work and such walk in and assume we speak spanish, don't even attempt an english word except for "I no speak english." 
And we've made it very easy for them to get by without learning a word of english,  in my city there are areas where only immigrants live and half our TV stations are in spanish.  Spanish is an unwritten requirment to be able to find a job.  And of course all of our cities names are spanish names LOL 
I hope to see more buisnesses become English only before English is the second language.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 17:32
^ what I meant was that I have never met an American who has immigrated to another country and not learned the language. I know it happens when people come here all the time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 17:39
Things change, people. "Transculturalization" (¡Oh, a neologism! ¡language evolving!). Get used to it, al tongues will become extinct eventually. I suggest the following: draw one of those cheese things and show it to whomever becomes your cheese thing provider at the time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 17:40
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

I think it is pretty arrogant to expect people in other countries to be able to speak English to us when we are there.


What I think is arrogant is for someone to move into a country, work there, expect to spend their entire life there, and never make any attempt to learn the native language. I have never known an American who has done that (although I'm not saying there aren't any.) Vacationing is one thing, but permanent residents are another matter entirely.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 17:41
That sign says "This is America". As far as I know, I live in America, the south end of it. So does Brazilian people, and they talk Portugués.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 17:45
Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

That sign says "This is America". As far as I know, I live in America, the south end of it. So does Brazilian people, and they talk Portugués.
but what you need to think about is that in America (USA)- if every immigrant spoke their native language- it would be impossibe for the masses to communicate- My ancestors from Sweden learned English- and Im sure glad they did!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 17:47
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Meddler Meddler wrote:

Thumbs up Vento.

I have to agree with him on this.
 
I don't know how you guys can agree with this extremist. 
 
There is this country called "Canada" North of the border where there are two official languages known as English and French.  They sing their anthem in both langues, print both languages where possible, and the majority of it's citizens speak both English and French.  Why can't the US speak both English and Spainish, or expand the education of foregin languages in schools.
 
The United States is one of the few countries in the civilized world where the majority of it's residents refuse to learn a foregin language.  You can go halfway across the world to Russia, and easily communicate to not everyone buy many people in English, but if a Russian were to come halfway across the world to the US knowing only Russian he wouldn't be able to publically express himself. 
 
Studying foreign languages is difficult, but it's something that should be done. 
 
 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 17:50
Originally posted by AtLossForWords AtLossForWords wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Meddler Meddler wrote:

Thumbs up Vento.

I have to agree with him on this.
 
I don't know how you guys can agree with this extremist. 
 
There is this country called "Canada" North of the border where there are two official languages known as English and French.  They sing their anthem in both langues, print both languages where possible, and the majority of it's citizens speak both English and French.  Why can't the US speak both English and Spainish, or expand the education of foregin languages in schools.
 
The United States is one of the few countries in the civilized world where the majority of it's residents refuse to learn a foregin language.  You can go halfway across the world to Russia, and easily communicate to not everyone buy many people in English, but if a Russian were to come halfway across the world to the US knowing only Russian he wouldn't be able to publically express himself. 
 
Studying foreign languages is difficult, but it's something that should be done. 
 
 
 
I don't know if putting a sign outside your shop would qualify you as an "extremist"
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