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imoeng 
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Joined: February 03 2006 Location: Indonesia Status: Offline Points: 2450 |
 Posted: June 09 2006 at 00:32 |
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dont really understand,, what is the other white beat?
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Rust
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Joined: October 14 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1148 |
Posted: June 09 2006 at 00:55 |
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It is music that rambles.
Also, it gives us that feeling you get when you are atop hills of yesterday, vewing the silence of the valley.
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We got to pump the stuff to make us tough
from the heart Its astart What we need is awareness we cant get careless Mental self defensive fitness Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be |
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hamham
Forum Senior Member
Joined: February 05 2006 Status: Offline Points: 184 |
Posted: June 09 2006 at 00:58 |
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prog to me is something other than
verse 1-5 chorus verse 6-10 guitar solo chorus ending you know, something that's a bit more complicated and interesting :D |
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Epitath
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Joined: June 09 2006 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 127 |
Posted: June 09 2006 at 04:04 |
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I like that definition
 I allways see Prog as an Electric Translation of Classical Music!
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Frasse
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Joined: November 22 2004 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 758 |
Posted: June 09 2006 at 09:58 |
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Who coined the phrase "progressive rock"?
You should ask him. (I guess it was a male.) |
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The Lost Chord
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Joined: June 23 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1907 |
Posted: June 09 2006 at 11:30 |
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lol this is ridiculous, you people really dont know why this music is called progressive rock?
In the late 60's the type of music you see here under "proto-prog" and some of the bigs like YES, Genesis, King Crimson and such were all given the name "progressive music" because it worked in describing the style. Music was life back then, and these guys were playing music that would appear "progressive" or more advanced then, say, a beatles record from the early 60's.
Its really quite simple, the name for this music stuck back then and has stayed ever since...even with all of its ridiculous changes ( neo prog). But the name works, King Crimson, Moody Blues, YES< Genesis, BJH, ELP...all of these bands were bouncing off of eachother in the world of prog rock...it was a style, get yourself a mellotron and your INSTANTLY prog, just because your using an electric keyboard mixed with electric guitar, drums and maybe some abstract instrument like a Sitar (rarely used outside of prog in that time) or even the flute! mixed with rock music the flute was seen as progressive....moving forward toward something, perhaps, may seem now like "what did they mean!?!? what exactly were they moving forward to??"...but in the late 60's there was no question, this was clearly moving SOMEWHERE it was different, so whats so hard about "Progressive Rock".
It may not work today for some of the stuff that has tried to fit into it, but that names existence is there for a pretty simple reason, its not that hard to comprehend.
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The Hemulen
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 31 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 5964 |
Posted: June 09 2006 at 11:35 |
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Do I spy "Residents" in amongst the prog list, eh? Nice one. |
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The Hemulen
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 31 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 5964 |
Posted: June 09 2006 at 11:37 |
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Errrrm... depends which country you live in, mate.
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spacecraft
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Joined: February 04 2006 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 184 |
Posted: June 09 2006 at 20:22 |
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I have heard all the arguments about prog, what is/isn't, but i can't get my head around Ruish being prog. i've got a few of their albums (alleged prog) but i just don't see it. They are not a bad band, but are, in fact, a very good rock band. How they are prog, depends on where you stand on music. There are so many bands on here that never ever aspire to prog rock, but are assimillated into this genre just to please the current audience.
Peolpe want the Beatles in here and other ridiculous bands. I say no.
I noted that NME readers voted Oasis (loud laugh) best ever UK album, followed buy the appalling Sargeants Pepper album next, Dark side of the moon wasn't in the top 5. Each to their own, but SP was the first, but one of the worst concept albums ever.
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The Lost Chord
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Joined: June 23 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1907 |
Posted: June 09 2006 at 20:24 |
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My point is that in the mid 60's, early 60's there was not much music with flutes and sitars merging rock music...hence it being abstract in the late 60's and 70's, and termed progressive rock, along with synths and even more abstract sounds and styles.i think that is a fact, prove me wrong.
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Spectra
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Joined: June 09 2006 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 23 |
Posted: June 10 2006 at 09:13 |
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Totally agree!
Prog just doesn't give a sh*te about the standard fundament of a "regular" song. Often it is just one long piece of music, that's unlike much other music divided into sections that gets repeated.
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"...Soapbox, house of cards, and glass,
So don't go tossin' your stones around..." |
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Zargus
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Joined: May 08 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 3491 |
Posted: June 10 2006 at 09:18 |
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Hmmmmm... i searched for: what is prog, and this is what i got>http://bridance.ytmnd.com/
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KazimirMajorinc
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Joined: February 23 2006 Status: Offline Points: 71 |
Posted: June 10 2006 at 09:50 |
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No, it is not only complexity, if it is then Iannis Xenakis would be major progressive rock artist. It must have that "rock" part, at least as continuity with rock tradition. As Schulze said, "we [from Berlin school] listened Floyd, not Stockhausen." Also, sophisticated is more accurate word than complex, since some of the progressive rock i.e. Floyd or T.Dream music is really simpler than music of Berry or Presley. Sophistication inside rock tradition, that is best I can figure out this moment ...
And there is another moment - the music shouldn't be attributed to the opposed genres already. For example, triple The Clash album Sandinista! is both complicated and sophisticated and of course, rock album, it has elements of classical music and hell lot of influences, very inovative (more than neoprog for sure) but hardly anyone consider it as prog. Only because it came from punk tradition. Although, musically, it has nothing in common with punk as it was understood in that time. If Clash said in some interview that they play prog rock, prog rock fans would accept it ... Edited by KazimirMajorinc - June 10 2006 at 09:53 |
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Peter
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
Posted: June 10 2006 at 10:31 |
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Prog is whatever you think it is.
 or: it does not exist
or: Prog is an enigma wrapped in a riddle inside a conundrum suppurating in a tender boil on the sweaty armpit of rock.
 Take your pick!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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The Wizard
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
Posted: June 10 2006 at 10:42 |
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Any rock music that strives to be experimental and groundbreaking and infuses many different styles other than rock into their music. |
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leirbagaze
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Joined: February 17 2006 Location: Venezuela Status: Offline Points: 34 |
Posted: June 10 2006 at 11:21 |
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>>>>>>>>Hmmmmm... i searched for: what is prog, and this is what i got>http://bridance.ytmnd.com/
I really do not get it.
Discusing and searching everywhere for a definition of Prog?.
Why don't just simply try to improve and work on the definition of Prog that IS ALREADY ON THIS SITE:
Whcih maybe it is not perfect, but it is one of the best aproximation you can find elsewhere.
Gabriel
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KazimirMajorinc
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Joined: February 23 2006 Status: Offline Points: 71 |
Posted: June 10 2006 at 11:31 |
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The Ramones did quite original and groundbreaking music. But we are not happy to call them prog band. Why? I think it is lack of sophistication.
How about Laibach? Lot of classical music there, and very experimental as well. And sosphisticated. They seem to have more right to be classified as prog than whole neo-prog subgenre. However, they are usually not classified that way. Why? |
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Certif1ed
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
Posted: June 10 2006 at 12:15 |
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It has nothing to do with sophistication either. Much Prog Rock is sophisticated, but much is not - and conversely, not all sophisticated music is Prog. No-one has a right to be classified as Prog unless the Prog community says so. 
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KazimirMajorinc
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Joined: February 23 2006 Status: Offline Points: 71 |
Posted: June 10 2006 at 14:40 |
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Any example of prog music that is not on some way sophisticated?
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Certif1ed
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
Posted: June 10 2006 at 17:41 |
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Depends how you define sophisticated.
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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