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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 13:50
intelligent life ???? Where ???????
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 14:06
BOLTON ???????

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 14:10
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Another thing to consider is that supposed abduction victims have had (how do you know? Weekly World News? A bestselling book? Were you there? Have any reputable medical/scientific institutions corroborated this "analysis?") objects of unknown origins removed from them in surgerys. These objects are supposably implants from aliens who abducted the victim. When analysised (by whom? where is the record of this analysis?) they were found to be magnetic and have some unusual properties. There's no other explantion for the origin of these objects. Discuss.
Ha!
 
This is ridiculous -- do you believe everything you read?  Have YOU ever seen one of these implanted alien artifacts?Confused
 
Well, I did meet someone (a hospital patient) who thought that aliens had put a machine in his brain. He was delusional -- a schizophrenic.
 
Show me some SERIOUS, credible academic analysis of these "objects" from a serious, reputable source, please.Stern Smile
 
(BTW, the patient's brain CAT scan, of course, showed that there was no such machine in there -- the patient was, as his doctors knew, quite insane. Stern Smile)
 
You know, these would be HUGE news stories, if true. They'd sell a LOT of papers! Where is the New York Times on this? The biggest story ever! Alien artifact found in  man's head! Why don't they get the scoop and make a pile of money for their shareholders? (Because it's total bullsh*t, that's why!)
 
Some just believe/see what they want to believe. People in the Middle Ages saw angels and flaming swords in the sky (divine intervention in earthly affairs -- a caring, powerful, all-seeing parent in the sky). In modern times, we see aliens and spaceships (extraterrestrial intervention in eartlhy affairs -- a powerful "big brother" in the sky). A fantasy. Wishful thinking -- "an outside agency will come down and help all us little guys. The oppressors will finally get theirs when the angels/aliens show up!"
 
Dream on!
 
Our problems & our responsibilities -> our solutions
 
Please, no more of these "someone I knew once met someone whose brother's uncle's cousin's neighbour..." things held up as "evidence" or "proof." (All they are evidence or proof of is the poster's incredible, laughable gullibility, and inability/unwillingness to consider more mundane (but much less exciting or glamorous) explanations.
 
Things get written and published -- you buy the book, or tabloid -- money changes hands -- someone gets rich, and laughs at you all the way to the bank.
 
Is it too late to join the Heaven's Gate cult? Has the mother ship been and gone?
Duh!
 
No, help is not coming from above -- you actually do have to stay in school, and get a job, and the angels/aliens are not going to give us a new ozone layer. Adults have to clean up their own mess. "Mom" in the sky won't do it. Cool as it is, you're just gonna have to trade in that Hummer for a smaller car, and drive less.
 
It's called reality, folks, and we ordinary humans need to face it.Stern Smile
 
BTW, I've seen X-rays of things in people's bodies, including, Spanish onions, lightbulbs, and wine glasses. The patients' "cover" stories tend to be frankly ridiculous: ("I passed out at a party, and my friends put the onions in there." "I got out of the shower to answer the phone, didn't see the lightbulb on the couch, sat down and..." (Real story: "I like to shove things up my ar*e, doctor.")
 
Shocked"Aliens probed my bum!" 
 Oh really? Aliens, eh? LOL


Edited by Peter Rideout - June 07 2006 at 14:29
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 14:58
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

One of the stories that convinced me was:

The Linda Case



I challenge you guys to think of an alternate explanation to the events described above.


consider this again:
People on the ground contacted me. They still have not wanted their names used. They've not wanted to talk to me personally, for various reasons. But described exactly the same thing.
These people "contacted" him but..err...didnt talk to him personally
Nobody will discuss it or come forward,or be identified but its all true.
Ever heard of Ockams Razor????
Mr Rideout is quite correct in his dismissal of your challenge Wizard.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 15:02
I can't wait to hear Hopkin's views on The Tooth Fairy...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 15:53
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

I can't wait to hear Hopkin's views on The Tooth Fairy...
 
Actually, she is being held in very tight security down in Area 51 for detailed examination. It appears her "magic wand" cannot yet be explained. More research is and time and money will be needed to get to the bottom of her shananagains. Shocked
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 15:54
Well said, Peter! Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 21:46
Here is a critique on the Linda case:
http://www.tricksterbook.com/ArticlesOnline/LindaCortileCase.htm

And also of interest:
http://skepdic.com/aliens.html

Hopkins has a history of fabricating memories using hypnotic regression. He is not a scientist and he is not an expert in hypnosis. He is not, in my opinion, a credible researcher.

On sleep paralysis. I too have experienced this and it is a little disturbing, but I have never seen aliens while this has happened. My episodes of sleep paralysis usually involve trying to get up out of bed and being unable to while someone or thing is trying to get in my locked front door. The disturbing part is not being able to move even though in the dream that's all you want to do. I haven't had any episodes like this in a couple of years, because I'm almost certain it happens to me based on the room temperature I'm sleeping at. Whether or not that's scientific, it seems to work for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 22:14
Originally posted by progaeopteryx progaeopteryx wrote:

Here is a critique on the Linda case:
http://www.tricksterbook.com/ArticlesOnline/LindaCortileCase.htm

And also of interest:
http://skepdic.com/aliens.html

Hopkins has a history of fabricating memories using hypnotic regression. He is not a scientist and he is not an expert in hypnosis. He is not, in my opinion, a credible researcher.

On sleep paralysis. I too have experienced this and it is a little disturbing, but I have never seen aliens while this has happened. My episodes of sleep paralysis usually involve trying to get up out of bed and being unable to while someone or thing is trying to get in my locked front door. The disturbing part is not being able to move even though in the dream that's all you want to do.


I'm thinking that's beyond "disturbing" territory, and into "incredibly alarming" Shocked
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 22:47
Hmmm....
 
There is at least one reason why, if they exist, they might have traveled here "of all places" - and it actually goes a long way to explaining why sitings increased dramatically just after WWII.
 
That was, our discovery (and use) of nuclear power.  As the character Klaatu so eloquently put it in "The Day The Earth Stood Still" (and I paraphrase here), "Until now, you have kept your petty squabbles and aggressions to yourself.  But now that you have developed the ability to leave your planet, your aggression becomes a threat to others."  This was Klaatu's reason for visiting us: to warn us not to bring our aggression into "the peaceful corridors of space."
 
It does not seem a coincidence to me that sitings of UFOs increased hundreds-fold within a couple of years of our planet's first demonstration of nuclear power, or the use to which is was put: the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Even assuming an alien race had developed faster-than-light, wormhole or other interstellar travel, it would take them awhile to get here - perhaps a couple of years or more.  Thus, it makes perfect sense that they would show up within a couple of years of 1945.  (Massive sitings began in late 1946/early 1947, and continued for about 5-6 years.)
 
Just a thought...
 
As for a "huge UFO" being seen by "only 3 people," so "it must have been silent," this was, in fact, the situation in one of three or four UFO sitings I have personally had.  (Oh no!  He's not only a Christian, for Pete's sake - he also believes in UFOs!  Now I know he's completely balmy!)  In my case, it was actually seen by more than 3 people (at least 10, and possibly more), and whatever it was was, in fact, silent.  Indeed, this freaked all of us out even more than its mere presence (it was as large as a commercial airliner) or its flying lower than it had any right to be.  It was that, despite its size and how low it was, it made absolutely no sound whatsoever - not even a hum.  And the four people I was with, the couple we ran into at that time, and another two couples who shouted to us from up the block all commented on this particular aspect of the event.  And let me tell you: it is beyond freaky, even frightening, to be confronted with an object that large not making any discernible noise at all.  (And yes, we all reported it - and yes, we were all told not to "get high" so often.  I cannot speak for the other two groups, but my group was not under the influence at the time.)
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 23:45

Do you mind sharing the other times you said you have sighted UFO's, I am was fascinated with your story. I'm not trying to be nosy, I'm just very interested in aliens and all that sort of stuff.

By the way, I don't think your balmy for believing in aliens, but for the christian part, well.... Wink 
 
 
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Edited by Rust - June 08 2006 at 03:28
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 00:52
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

 
There is at least one reason why, if they exist, they might have traveled here "of all places" - and it actually goes a long way to explaining why sitings increased dramatically just after WWII.
 
That was, our discovery (and use) of nuclear power.  As the character Klaatu so eloquently put it in "The Day The Earth Stood Still" (and I paraphrase here), "Until now, you have kept your petty squabbles and aggressions to yourself.  But now that you have developed the ability to leave your planet, your aggression becomes a threat to others."  This was Klaatu's reason for visiting us: to warn us not to bring our aggression into "the peaceful corridors of space."
That makes sense, except for one problem: if they really wanted to keep us from blowing ourselves up and/or blowing up everyone else, why wouldn't they simply land on the White House lawn at noon? Flying around silently at 3 am with the lights on and occasionally abducting people to perform strange, unecessary tests/expirements seems like an awfully poor way to acheive world peace and warn man of his impending doom. I thought these aliens were super-intelligent!
 
Quote (Oh no!  He's not only a Christian, for Pete's sake - he also believes in UFOs!  Now I know he's completely balmy!) 
Let me ask you this: do you believe that we landed on the moon? Did Lee Harvey Oswald shoot JFK? Do the Masons/Illuminati control the world (or at least are trying to)? And, most importantly of all, is Elvis still alive!?
Ok, that last one was a joke; but I would like to see what you think about the other ones.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 02:36
In the words of Jimi Hendrix .."you can't always believe what you see and hear...can you?" and he was absolutely right! In medieval times people used to "see" visions and angels, nowadays it it alien abductions and flying saucers. There has never been any tangible evidence for UFO's, no clues ever left behind, and there have been hundreds of hoaxes including crop circles.  Many people genuinely believe what they see, though  it is wishful thinking or imagined. A friend of mine in hospital recently saw a labrador dog walking round his bed - it was so real he believed it and he really saw it, but it didn't exist at all. Governments love UFO stories, especially if something secret needs covering up somewhere and they need to keep people away. Until a flying saucer containing real aliens lands on the White House lawn it will just remain a fanciful fantasy, besides the universe is just too vast for intergalactic travel....though you never know!!Wink
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 07:34
I do belive in alians on other planets, but i dont think there have ever been any here. I think they are probobly on the same tecnical level as we are, but who knows...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 07:46
Maani:I am peturbed that you do not any more rational explanations for what you and others saw.
Weather balloons,science projects,meteors,regular airline flights (the problem of perspective discussed in the 9/11 thread!!).On issues of size it is very difficult to give accurate measurements without proper instrumentation.It is a delusion that many people have that they can tell the size/distance without proper instruments,this simply is not true.
I am led to believe that people who claim UFO sightings and/or abduction tend to believe in past lives etc.Is this true of you?
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 07:52
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

I can't wait to hear Hopkin's views on The Tooth Fairy...


I prefer Terry Pratchett's view of the Tooth Fairy; it's all nice and cute, until you visit her at home: a castle built entirely from the teeth of children...

++shudder++

Back on thread - I guess theoretically, everything is possible in an infinite universe, so theoretically the little/giant, green/purple/transparent, men/women/genderunspecific beings from another planet/galaxy/alternate reality/Sweden could have popped by for some tea, cakes and a nice chat about the best way to propogate geraniums.

However, even if we take this as read (and face it, it is a pretty big "if"), can we honestly believe the only people to have "witnessed" (such an ill-used word in all these cases, I find) such visitations are the dim-witted, drunken specimens usually quoted by the tabloid press? Is it beyond reason that on at least one occasion they may have visited a rational, believeable human being in the presence of reliable witnesses.

Face it, none of us like the idea of being alone in the universe, and for the record, I for one do not believe we are - I just don't think I've seen any hard evidence that our neighbours have popped in yet to borrow a cup of sugar...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 09:22
Didn't you see the evidence on another thread here? They're all around us.......disguised as ducks........LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 13:34
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

I am led to believe that people who claim UFO sightings and/or abduction tend to believe in past lives etc.Is this true of you? 
I doubt it; he's a Christian, and Christianity kind of breaks down if there are past lives. I don't really see how the two would be related, actually.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 13:59

Just a sideline.........one of the few things with which I am in complete agreement with Ghandi 2 is the issue of reasonably competent grammar & spelling........thus I rather liked his signature comment.....until now........when (maybe he's recently changed it ?) an error jumps out from the screen:

"The possessive of it is ITS.
Apostrophes are NOT used for plural nouns. (Unless it is absolutely necessary for it to not be confusing, such as A's. Musical terms are not confusing.) " says G2

I just figure, if you are to lecture people on grammar, syntax & spelling, maybe you shouldn't embrace the split infinitive so enthusiastically......Wink......."...to not be.." indeed ! But, as I said, you're only worth correcting since you normally keep such high standards............even if I don't always agree with the content........Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 14:37

I did change it to remove the exclamation points, which I decided were perhaps a bit excessive; however, as far as I remember I always had it there. And I looked it up; simple split infinitives "To boldly go" is ok, because "To go boldly" carries a much different meaning; but complex split infinitives "To gradually, systematically, and economically remove the burden" are not. Anyway, "to not be confusing" sounds much, much better and makes much more sense than "to be not confusing," which sounds like a poor Russian to English translation.

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