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    Posted: June 06 2006 at 21:37
Here's the ultimate question: are some unidentified flying objects alien spacecraft? Any people laugh at the idea and think of weekly world news and kooks who want quick cash, but if one take a serious look into the subject you will realize there is so much evidence towards the theory it's difficult to think otherwise. I have been researching the matter for quite a while and started out as a skeptic but later I was so overwhelmed with evidence otherwise I became a believer. One of the stories that convinced me was:
 

The Linda Case

HOPKINS: The best case that I had ever worked with, and it's extraordinarily important, and it's the subject of the book that I'm working on right now. It involves a woman who was abducted -- who I had worked with before this experience. She was abducted from a 12th floor apartment in Manhattan. Floated out the window. And in this case, the UFO occupants wanted this to be seen, for various complicated reasons.

So therefore, it was not masked or hidden or whatnot. Even though it was three in the morning. This woman was witnessed floating with the three aliens -- below the UFO, 12 stories up -- by a number of different people, who I have heard from. One of the people who I interviewed at great length, described her absolute terror when she saw this sight from the Brooklyn Bridge. Her first attempt to explain it to herself -- this can't happen -- was: 'Somebody must be making a movie. This must be a movie, because this is impossible. And yet I'm looking at it.' There were other people on the bridge too, also terrified. 'There are people floating in the air' -- as they described it.

People on the ground contacted me. They still have not wanted their names used. They've not wanted to talk to me personally, for various reasons. But described exactly the same thing. I've gotten matching sets of drawings of what everyone saw from their own -- perspectives.

Another woman who I've dealt with at length, saw the UFO right next to the building from which this woman was floated out. She said it was enormous. And at that point, somehow, her car stopped and their memories are very unclear from that point on. As if somehow or other -- as often happens in these cases -- there was some kind of effect, electromagnetic effect or whatever -- we don't know what to call it -- which stopped the car. And their memories only went up to the point of seeing this UFO right directly next to the building, before the people floated out.

I have another witness at another location. Here we have eye-witnesses to people doing an impossible thing: floating, 12 stories up, in a beam of light. There's much, much other testimony connected with this -- some of which I'm not at liberty to present right now.
 
 
 
I challenge you guys to think of an alternate explanation to the events described above.
 

 

 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2006 at 21:39
Simple. Swamp gas collided with light reflecting off the moon to produce an optical illusion. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2006 at 21:45
Originally posted by billbuckner billbuckner wrote:

Simple. Swamp gas collided with light reflecting off the moon to produce an optical illusion. Tongue
That's more farfetched than aliens. The silly thing is that the Air force tried to pass that off as an actual explanation for project bluebook.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2006 at 22:08
Well duh... I'm not a human.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2006 at 23:14
Wow... just wow. As if the National Geographic didn't have enough evidence already. I'm actually starting to believe more and more on alien life.

Those who think that we are the only ones in the universe are crazier than people who do believe in UFO's and such.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 00:18
I have no idea. The problem I have with all this is WHY? If they are clearly so superior to us, why do they waste their time prancing around at 3am on long country roads looking for people to abduct?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 00:31
I saw an interesting show about "alien abductions". It explained about people who are reported waking up in the middle of the night and flying though their bedroom windows into an alien spacecraft. Most report not remembering what happened after the bedroom abduction but know for sure that something happened.
 
The flip side to this story was that scientist believe such people that "witness" thier own abduction and fly through thier windows, all have a disorder known as Sleep Paralyses, that causes someone asleep to believe that they have woken up. The scientist say the dreamer has not woken up even though that person may think their awake, and since they are dreaming anything can happen, such as an alien abduction.
 
I believed the "scientific" story at first, untill the very same thing happened to me.
 
I awoke one night and was paralized, I could only move my eyes, and I saw aliens in my room. I was terrified, and really felt like I was awake. Seconds later I really did wake up this time and nothing was in my room.
 
I don't know if I was suffering from sleep paralyses, or if I was witnising part of some freaky alien experiment. I promise, everything was to real for me to be asleep. I really felt awake when I was paralyzed.
 
I have had a few other times where I was paralyzed and then "awoke". Each time is very frightening but I still don't know what to believe.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 00:48
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

 
 
I challenge you guys to think of an alternate explanation to the events described above.
 

 

Lies?
 
Fabrication?
 
Falsehood?
 
Schizophrenia?
 
 
 
Always consider the simplest explanation first, Grasshopper! Anyone can say or write ANYTHING.Stern Smile
 
 
BTW, I believe there is almost certainly life (& intelligent life) out there, and furthermore that these extra-terrestrials would be built much like us. I just don't believe they can come here (any more than we can visit them)  -- the distances implied are so unfathomably huge as to be absolutely insurmountable), or even that they'd be so inscrutably secretive about their presence if they could visit us.
 
 
I will, however concede in advance that interstellar travel by living beings might be (very, very remotely) possible, though.
 
But I don't believe aliens visit (or have visited) the earth.Stern Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 01:04
^ I agree with most of what Peter has said here. Even if an alien race that was advanced enough did visit the earth, the odds that they did so in the cosmologically tiny window that humans have been "civilized" are pretty tiny.

I think it's more likely that a civilization that avoids annihilating itself for long enough will undoubtedly solve the light speed/space/time barrier, though. Given enough time, just about anything's possible (look where we evolved from in just a few billion short years!) Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 01:10
I concur, Peter.

I believe that there is life on other planets and as Peter says, none of these lifeforms have ever visited planet Earth (and probably not any neighbouring planets to their own either).

I do not believe any astronaut has ever landed on our moon; so I cannot believe that any other lifeforms have landed on planet Earth either.

Besides, for what reason would they have for landing here and for what reason, would the Government have to cover it up?  If spacecraft land on our planet often, we'd definitely know about it.  Spurious photographs mean nothing.


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Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:


I do not believe any astronaut has ever landed on our moon; so I cannot believe that any other lifeforms have landed on planet Earth either.
Lunar conspiracy theories... :/
 
One of the guys on that website said that they needed us for reproduction. So they can travel interstellar distances but they can't reproduce without another species' help? That makes a lot of sense...
 
There probably is other life out there, and possibly intelligent life, but I see no reason why these incredibly powerful aliens would want to sneak around. Either they don't care about us and they don't bother coming, or they do care about it, but it would be much more effective for them to land on the White House lawn if they really wanted world peace for us. What's crazy is that these people are abducted 6 or 7 times; wouldn't the aliens want to have as large a representation as possible instead of using one guy over and over? I just have the feeling that in 30 years this will all be perfectly explained, like the crop circles.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 01:33
One interesting fact to the circles that I believe prooves farmers are not doing this is that there is usually evidence of radiation where the crop circle appears. This is not some everyday average chemical radiation either. Farmers don't generally have whatever it is being sprayed on the circle, unless they are chemical scientist with laboratories hidden in their barns.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 01:58
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

I have no idea. The problem I have with all this is WHY? If they are clearly so superior to us, why do they waste their time prancing around at 3am on long country roads looking for people to abduct?
 
My thoughts on this are similar.
 
Let me get this straight: There is a race of people who are more technically advanced than humans who have the ability to traverse space and time (as well as overcome the many problems with space travel). And these people are flying around at night... with the lights on?
 
Either that or they are abducting people and giving them anal probes, or performing some kind of exploratory surgery, ie: they are so technically advanced for space travel but they have no CAT scan or some other magnetic imagery, ultrasound or siilar capability.
 
There is another hypothesis of what is going on. There is work being done, I believe it was Laurentian University, using electromagnetic stimulation on various parts of the brain. They used a sort of a wired up motorcycle helmet and a relaxation tank. The test subjects described various feelings, various sensory hallucinations depending on what part of the brain was being stimulated. Not only did some test subjects experience various "strange sensations", it was found that some were very suggestive about what they've experienced. If one of the lab assistants wearing a cross necklace, the test subject would describe a feeling of being with angels. If a lab assistant mentions stars or the universe, the subject would talk of being in the presence of space aliens. Many also experienced a loss of feeling of the passing of time.
If some people are very susceptable to electromagnetism, the natural interference in the air caused by the northern lights (aurora borealis) and southern lights (aurora austrialis) could go a long way to explain a lot of these ufo sightings, abduction stories and the loss of time some experience.
 
I realize what the odds are of intelligent life in the universe. I believe the odds of them contacting us or actually travelling all this way is very remote. I do believe that if aliens are visiting earth that it is happening on a very small scale and not nearly as common as some want to believe. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 07:27
As we humans go to Disneyworld, to entertain our children with simple cartoon creatures, so the Aliens take their kids to some country road in the Mid West at 3am.........
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 07:35

So there was an "enormous" UFO flying around Manhattan and only 3 people saw it? I assume it was a silent UFO otherwise it would have woken lots of people up.

Sorry to sound sceptical, I'd love it to be true but I can't really see it in this case.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 11:12
Another thing to consider is that supposed abduction victims have had objects of unknown origins removed from them in surgerys. These objects are supposably implants from aliens who abducted the victim. When analysised they were found to be magnetic and have some unusual properties. There's no other explantion for he origin of these objects. Discuss.
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The odds of two advanced civilizations existing in the universe at the same time is stupidly small.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 13:30
Two ?? I've yet to see evidence for one............
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 13:38
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 13:47
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:


I do not believe any astronaut has ever landed on our moon; so I cannot believe that any other lifeforms have landed on planet Earth either.
Lunar conspiracy theories... :/
 
One of the guys on that website said that they needed us for reproduction. So they can travel interstellar distances but they can't reproduce without another species' help? That makes a lot of sense...
 
There probably is other life out there, and possibly intelligent life, but I see no reason why these incredibly powerful aliens would want to sneak around. Either they don't care about us and they don't bother coming, or they do care about it, but it would be much more effective for them to land on the White House lawn if they really wanted world peace for us. What's crazy is that these people are abducted 6 or 7 times; wouldn't the aliens want to have as large a representation as possible instead of using one guy over and over? I just have the feeling that in 30 years this will all be perfectly explained, like the crop circles.
 
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