What is so wrong with Prog metal

micky wrote: Geck0 wrote: Micky, I recommend the following three albums to you: Taal - Skymind This is avant garde, but it contains most aspects of prog, so even if you hate a lot of it, there'll probably be something you'll like also.  There's flute, 'cello, metal guitars, acoustic guitars, quirky vocals, great drum effects and I think there's a synth as well! White Willow - Storm Season Their earlier albums are symphonic/prog-folk, but this albums draws elements of that, but with a very nice heavy and metal sound.  I believe this to be a full prog-metal release.  Also this album has very nice vocals by Sylvia Erichsen.  If you don't enjoy this, then try the album before this "Sacrement", which is more symphonic, but also has it's metal moments. Ayreon - The Human Equation The last album from the mind of Arjen Lucassen.  This is probably a great album for a beginner to metal and prog to get into.  Full of metal guitar, but also full of juicy synth and Hammond, plus flute, didgeridoo and an array of great vocalists.  I think you'll enjoy this album.  If not, I will eat Bern's (don't ask who Bern is!) hat! thanks... with complete honestly I can say that I have had that Ayreon album in my shopping basket at the local Best Buy multiple times and alway have put it back.  The beating administered to my prog metal psyche by Dream Theater was so complete... I've shyed away from any purchase ahhahah.  I will pick that up.. this week.  If I don't like it..... forget Bern's hat... I'll just take $18 out of Bern's ass hahahhah as far as the other two... any samples available out there (I assume there are some here)

There's a track from Storm Season by White Willow, on Jacob Holm-Lupo's Myspace site, but I'm not sure if you can access it without an account.  The track in question is called "Sally Left".

I believe Taal have a sample on here.  Their debut album "Mister Green" is just a great, so that's also worth picking up.

Ah, I am glad you are going to try out Ayreon.  It's all clean vocals (except for maybe 1 or 2 growls from Mikael Akerfeldt of Opeth, but they're not off-putting at all) and there are even female vocals.  Even my father liked it and he doesn't like metal!  It's maybe more light on the metal than most prog-metal, sure, but it's a good introduction.

I still recommend:

Pain of Salvation - Entropia

But that maybe a bit harder on the ears.

I don't like Dream Theater either, don't worry!  Don't judge prog metal by them, they will make most people run away who are unititiated!

Listen to Cryptopsy, Micky... I love this band. It was rejected by the Prog metal team, but what the hell...

^ awesome band, though... maybe if Micky put on a helmet, fireproof overalls and fastened some hardcore seatbelts (an earplug in one ear wouldn't hurt, either) he could try...

I must say 'Operation Mindcrime' is the only Queensryche album I've heard that I really, really like. 'Empire' is basically just polished rock and hardly prog imo- my next fave after 'Mindcrime' is 'Rage For Order'. 

Edited by salmacis - June 04 2006 at 17:09

Certif1ed wrote: Try reading my review  (of Operation: Mindcrime)

I just did ... and what a great experience that was. Now I know that you don't like the album, and while saying that it's not a bad album in any way, you give it two stars.

IMO you're just pissed about Queensryche being in the archives while Metallica are not. What a silly thing to even compare these two bands (let alone Operation: Mindcrime and Justice) in the first place ...

No need for me here to say anything else ... your review is yet another one in a long series of curiosities (right up there with some 1 star Terria reviews - or Ok Computer for that matter, jsut to mention a band you like for a change).

Teaflax wrote: Queensryche's inclusion over Metallica does validate my "Rock/Metal tonality is no impediment to being seen as Prog" argument.

So you think that Load has no Rock/Metal tonality?

It's so easy to twist and turn reality so that it supports you own point of view!


Edited by MikeEnRegalia - June 04 2006 at 17:31

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Certif1ed wrote: Try reading my review  (of Operation: Mindcrime)      I just did ... and what a great experience that was. Now I know that you don't like the album, and while saying that it's not a bad album in any way, you give it two stars.IMO you're just pissed about Queensryche being in the archives while Metallica are not. What a silly thing to even compare these two bands (let alone Operation: Mindcrime and Justice) in the first place ... No need for me here to say anything else ... your review is yet another one in a long series of curiosities (right up there with some 1 star Terria reviews - or Ok Computer for that matter, jsut to mention a band you like for a change).

    

Don't be silly.

Just because you don't "get" my reviews, there's no need to read stuff in that isn't there.

Why is it silly to compare Metallica and Queensrcyche?

They're both metal bands, and they're both influenced by Judas Priest, so the comparison is perfectly fair.

It's silly to suggest otherwise, if I may put it that way.

I don't see why my review of OK Computer should be a Curiosity - plenty of others have also seen the light, even if you have not.


And who are Terria?

I've never even heard Devin Townsend, if that's what you mean!

You're gabbling, man!


And I just re-read my review of "OM" - it's rubbish, by which I mean very badly written as I was fed up with hearing Queensryche by that stage. My first Queensryche review is much better and doesn't come across as weary with it all.

I'd just reviewed their first two albums, and all 3 sounded so alike that I was baffled at their Prog Metal status - that's all.

I'm not spearheading a campaign to get Metallica in, whatever it looks like - just reporting what my ears tell me.

    

Edited by Certif1ed - June 04 2006 at 17:56

interesting..... read yours CertIfied plus Marc Baum's for balance...


and comes to the conclusion that.... bah!

*micky throws hands up in air and wonders which PFM album to put on next*

interesting views on Metallica though.....

I love Mindcrime. I honestly think it falls on the metal side of the prog metal scale, but it's still a great album. One of those few albums without a weak track.

RycheMan wrote: Teaflax wrote: Queensryche's inclusion over Metallica does validate my "Rock/Metal tonality is no impediment to being seen as Prog" argument.   Then why is Mindcrime so highly praised? http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/   Click on music lists on the left, then click on Progressive Metal Albums. (There is even a hip hop poll for you)

Woah, prog's pretty well represented on that site. Check out the "Best guitar solos" list
1. Comfortably Numb - David Gilmour (Pink Floyd)
13. Time - David Gilmour (Pink Floyd)
21. Shine On You Crazy Diamond - David Gilmour (Pink Floyd)
34. Atom Heart Mother - David Gilmour (Pink Floyd)
46. Aqualung - Martin Barre (Jethro Tull)
53. Money - David Gilmour (Pink Floyd)


Best keyboardists


 1. Keith Emerson (ELP)
  2. Rick Wakeman (Yes)
  5. Richard Wright (Pink Floyd)
6. Tony Banks (Genesis)
17. Kevin Moore (Dream Theater)
24. Kerry Livgren (Kansas)

Best insturmentals
  4. La Villa Strangiato - Rush
13. YYZ - Rush

Best drummers
  1. Neil Peart (Rush)
  3. Carl Palmer (ELP)
  8. Danny Carey (Tool)
11. Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater)
19. Vinnie Colaiuta (Zappa)
32. Phil Collins (Genesis)

Best piano preformances
1. Tarkus - Keith Emerson (ELP)
  2. Close To The Edge - Rick Wakeman (Yes)
  3. Karn Evil 9 (Suite) - Keith Emerson (ELP)
10. Siberian Khatru - Rick Wakeman (Yes)
6. Trilogy - Keith Emerson (ELP)
17. Firth of Fifth - Tony Banks (Genesis)