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Paul K. 
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In my opinion it's heaviness that confines it. However, if it wasn't heavy we wouldn't call it metal.
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 05:44 |
 Paul K. wrote:
In my opinion it's heaviness that confines it. However, if it wasn't heavy we wouldn't call it metal.
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Think of it the other way: Metal doesn't need to be heavy all the time. So in a way somebody *could* call all other genres "confined", as they exclude the heaviness. If you listen to any major Prog Metal band then you'll see that they offer the full bandwidth, from soft to heavy. And some of the bands even release albums which are not heavy at all, for example Opeth - Damnation or Epica - The Score.
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 06:57 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Paul K. wrote:
In my opinion it's heaviness that confines it. However, if it wasn't heavy we wouldn't call it metal.
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Think of it the other way: Metal doesn't need to be heavy all the time. So in a way somebody *could* call all other genres "confined", as they exclude the heaviness.
If you listen to any major Prog Metal band then you'll see that they offer the full bandwidth, from soft to heavy. And some of the bands even release albums which are not heavy at all, for example Opeth - Damnation or Epica - The Score.
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Yes to that, Mike.  Then you also get bands which have started out as Metal and changed or diversified their music to such an extent that they can no longer be thought of as Prog Metal. My best example of this goes to "Ulver" who were at first put into the Prog Metal catagory, because their early albums had Prog Metal elements. However, their later albums have shown this group to be leaning towards Experimental/Post Rock beginning with the release of the album "Perdition City", perhaps. My point is that Prog Metal encompasses parts of many genres in Progressive Rock Music. It would be difficult to find a group classified as Prog Metal, who plays straight out "grind-core", "Black", "Death" or "Brutal". I would hope that these groups would not be considered appropriate for the Archives.
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Paul K.
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 09:34 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Paul K. wrote:
In my opinion it's heaviness that confines it. However, if it wasn't heavy we wouldn't call it metal.
Vicious circle
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Think of it the other way: Metal doesn't need to be heavy all the time. |
Of course metal doesn't need to be heavy all the time, but it is. It can range from soft to heavy but primary sound emphasizes on heavy side.
So in a way somebody *could* call all other genres "confined", as they exclude the heaviness. |
And of course somebody could say that, but that's just my opinion - borders of heavy sound confine prog musicians (!! that's just my opinion !! )
I can name only few prog-metal bands which I *really* enjoy:
Dream Theater
Pain Of Salvation
Tool
Spiral Architect
Edited by Paul K. - June 04 2006 at 09:41
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 10:12 |
valravennz wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Paul K. wrote:
In my opinion it's heaviness that confines it. However, if it wasn't heavy we wouldn't call it metal.
Vicious circle
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Think of it the other way: Metal doesn't need to be heavy all the time. So in a way somebody *could* call all other genres "confined", as they exclude the heaviness.
If you listen to any major Prog Metal band then you'll see that they offer the full bandwidth, from soft to heavy. And some of the bands even release albums which are not heavy at all, for example Opeth - Damnation or Epica - The Score.
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Yes to that, Mike. Then you also get bands which have started out as Metal and changed or diversified their music to such an extent that they can no longer be thought of as Prog Metal. My best example of this goes to "Ulver" who were at first put into the Prog Metal catagory, because their early albums had Prog Metal elements. However, their later albums have shown this group to be leaning towards Experimental/Post Rock beginning with the release of the album "Perdition City", perhaps. My point is that Prog Metal encompasses parts of many genres in Progressive Rock Music. It would be difficult to find a group classified as Prog Metal, who plays straight out "grind-core", "Black", "Death" or "Brutal". I would hope that these groups would not be considered appropriate for the Archives. |
Thanks, well said!  About that last point: *Some* of these groups are considered if they add Jazz-Fusion to their style, or if they are very technical and experimental. But most of these bands are rejected, also because such additions would call for further additions of similar bands. Latest example: Cryptopsy. A very technical and experimental band, but they were rejected. Initially I voted for their inclusion, but then I agreed with the others ... technicality and experimentality alone are not enough, especially in a genre like Thrash Metal where most of the bands are technical and somewhat experimental.
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - June 04 2006 at 10:14
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 10:21 |
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 10:29 |
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let's see....let me check on those samples you mentioned Mike ... my curiousity has been ...aroused
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 10:45 |
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very 1st impressions..
the vocals are very strong.... I like them.
a compliment of sorts... many of MY preexisting notions of
prog-metal don't apply here... . Of the two.... I like that song
Komma best. Thanks for the recommend... honestly... nothing that
'grabs' me... but nothing that has me running for the exits either
hahahha.
listening to Komma a second time now....
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 10:56 |
the music...while rather good... does leave a fundamental question in
my mind.... which can be a fatal flaw to an older 'hardcore' prog
fan.... good music... but if you threw this track to me without any
decription... I wouldn't off the top of my head... associate 'prog'
with it. That I'm sure is a product of 'enviroment' where prog I
grew up with and still listen to... is keyboard heavy.. and will throw
a harpsicord, flute, sax, a bassoon hahaha or something at your to add to the 'sonic palate'. Just an observation...
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 10:58 |
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:02 |
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:05 |
A member of the band recently wrote me an email because I purchased their first albums on their website ... maybe I'll write him a reply, mentioning that using mellotrons on their next album would get them more appreciation here ... No, I wouldn't do that. After all, if the really used a mellotron, the traditionalists would hold it against them and accuse them of copying the classic bands. 
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:21 |
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:23 |
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^ I have no problem with that. But of course those two songs are only a small part of the full album - and all the songs are different. For example, the track following Komma is not heavy at all, very melodic with a very "hooky" chorus. It's definitely an album that you can buy blindly. If you don't like it - sell it in 5 years for twice the price!
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:32 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ I have no problem with that. But of course those
two songs are only a small part of the full album - and all the songs
are different. For example, the track following Komma is not heavy at
all, very melodic with a very "hooky" chorus. It's definitely an album
that you can buy blindly. If you don't like it - sell it in 5 years for
twice the price!
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I figured as much..... a true prog group would have some variety in their albums ahhaha ...
I liked those two song enough that I'd plunk down a few dollars to hear the
rest of it. There's a place in Raleigh I know that might have
it.... I'll check it out.
Edited by micky - June 04 2006 at 11:33
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:34 |
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^ you can buy the album in high quality mp3 directly on their homepage for 9 Canadian Dollars ... but you'll probably find the album on amazon, too.
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:40 |
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At the moment I am listening to the Opeth samples on PA, and I have to say I'm quite impressed. Akerfeldt's "cookie-monster" vocals are not my cup of tea, but his clean vocals are indeed excellent - and the music is, IMHO, much more interesting and challenging than DT, Symphony X or Shadow Gallery. Riverside are another band that intrigue me quite a lot. I've been looking for their records here in Rome, but I suppose I will have to wait until I get to London next month. The two samples I heard really left me wanting for more - and Duda is indeed a fantastic vocalist!
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:45 |
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^ The debut album of Riverside has been released on emusic.com ... a quick and inexpensive way to get it (as mp3).
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:50 |
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there is no good artowork for prog metal bands, all of it is terrible. the sad thing is, the music is even worse
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listen to Hella
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:54 |
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