What is so wrong with Prog metal

hey micky... ive got something to tell ya..

^thats alright, its progressive metal subgenres which the metal element is heavier...

so this means this thread is over?? huhuu, i love confrontation,, heehehe

Tristan Mulders wrote: micky wrote: the vast majority have better things to do... like talk things things we DO like.. than talk about what we don't. Imagine what a boring place this would be if we all liked everything... You'd get topics filled with: "Oh Selling England is smashing" "It's jolly good" "Superbly widdly" etc

el böthy wrote: thetick wrote: I read a lot of prog forums on the web and I get the same thing over and over, prog metal sucks blah blah blah. The whole point of prog is to take music to a level that usually takes a focused ear to appreciate. The music that Dream Theater makes blows away ANYTHING being produced in the "rock" realm today. Would you rather listen to Nickelback or Disturbed? Most of the bands mentioned in these discussions are not even together anymore (e.g. Genesis, ELP, Floyd). It takes serious talent to play DT, Synphony X, Dali's Dilemma, Shadow Gallery , etc. and many of the musicians that play now could hang with the musicians of the golden days of prog. I would even argue that DT is doing more to further prog than most of the neo-synphonic-classic prog bands are.  They did concepts album, long songs and make mince-meat out of odd time more than most other prog bands out there. If you don't like heavy guitars just say so and be done with it. But to dismiss bands like DT just because they may be more popular than some obscure French band is silly. Yes and Rush are more mainstream than DT is! Now I will tell you I am a huge fan of Rsh (it's how I learned to play drums), Yes (How awesome is Close to the Edge and The Gates of Delerium) and Jethro Tull. However, I can't stand Genesis. I think they are boring. I listened to several of their CD's and nearly fell asleep. To me Marillion isn't much better. I think a lot of the discussion of which type of prog is better stems from the demographic viewpoint of the writer. I am 34 and grew up on heavy metal but still love Rush, Yes Floyd and Tull. I am a card-carrying member of the prog-snob community and I find it silly that people who like prog just dismiss other who happen to like a "different-kind" of prog. The moral of the story is kids, "Can't we all just get along?" Prog to me is my outlet from the crap being played in the real world. Let's just appreciate to musicianship and creative outlet prog gives to all of us. But I know if we did that there would be no reason for forums. So let the flaming begin. I dont know you, but I think we get along just fine... Its all matter of taste...but seriously, the way you put it feels like some prog fans are sendind hate mail to the metal section...a bit over the top, dont you think?

it is a bit over the top.... there are a fair number of people who it appears don't care for it, but the vast majority have better things to do... like talk things things we DO like.. than talk about what we don't.

I dislike the "duh" prog-metal like Dream Theater and Pain of Salvation. I'm qualified to say this because I have repeatedly tried to find something enjoyable about it, and failed horribly.

However, I like plenty of inventive metal bands who don't consider themselves progressive. Not Opeth or Katatonia (or their clones), but bands like Meshuggah, Voivod, Esoteric, (very experimental and thoughtful funeral doom) !T.O.O.H.! and Martyr (both technical, progressive death metal bands that go easy on the harsh vocals - plenty of solo time.) So for those of you who disdain the genre because it's all souless virtuosity, explore the side that isn't.

Also, Kayo Dot are exceptional, but with their latest release I feel they've slipped out of metal and into somewhere rather more jazz-rock/avantgarde.

Aaron wrote: Dirk wrote: Aaron wrote: name some prog metal bands that lack technique and focus on songwriting, i would actually like to check bands like that out Aaron Riverside, Opeth, Pain of salvation and Ayreon. All do very melodic well crafted songs IMO.In Opeth's case you might have some problems with the growling, then again Mikail Akefeld's voice is one of the best in this genre (when not growling that is). These bands don't do as many notes as DT in a minute. Can't help you further with the lack of technique, these bands are topnotch in that respect.   i dont think those bands are very metal though   Aaron

thetick wrote: I read a lot of prog forums on the web and I get the same thing over and over, prog metal sucks blah blah blah. The whole point of prog is to take music to a level that usually takes a focused ear to appreciate. The music that Dream Theater makes blows away ANYTHING being produced in the "rock" realm today. Would you rather listen to Nickelback or Disturbed? Most of the bands mentioned in these discussions are not even together anymore (e.g. Genesis, ELP, Floyd). It takes serious talent to play DT, Synphony X, Dali's Dilemma, Shadow Gallery , etc. and many of the musicians that play now could hang with the musicians of the golden days of prog. I would even argue that DT is doing more to further prog than most of the neo-synphonic-classic prog bands are.  They did concepts album, long songs and make mince-meat out of odd time more than most other prog bands out there. If you don't like heavy guitars just say so and be done with it. But to dismiss bands like DT just because they may be more popular than some obscure French band is silly. Yes and Rush are more mainstream than DT is! Now I will tell you I am a huge fan of Rsh (it's how I learned to play drums), Yes (How awesome is Close to the Edge and The Gates of Delerium) and Jethro Tull. However, I can't stand Genesis. I think they are boring. I listened to several of their CD's and nearly fell asleep. To me Marillion isn't much better. I think a lot of the discussion of which type of prog is better stems from the demographic viewpoint of the writer. I am 34 and grew up on heavy metal but still love Rush, Yes Floyd and Tull. I am a card-carrying member of the prog-snob community and I find it silly that people who like prog just dismiss other who happen to like a "different-kind" of prog. The moral of the story is kids, "Can't we all just get along?" Prog to me is my outlet from the crap being played in the real world. Let's just appreciate to musicianship and creative outlet prog gives to all of us. But I know if we did that there would be no reason for forums. So let the flaming begin.

I dont know you, but I think we get along just fine...
Its all matter of taste...but seriously, the way you put it feels like some prog fans are sendind hate mail to the metal section...a bit over the top, dont you think?

Then you should try to pick up Awake somewhere (In Germany they're currently selling it for 7 EUR in local stores) and see if my recommendation is useful.

Teaflax wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: The fact that of all DT albums you pick Octavarium as the only one being worth your while tells me that you simply don't like Metal. Not regular Metal, no. I'm a big fan of Faith No More, Therapy?, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Audioslave, Eleven, Helmet, Queens of the Stone Age, Kyuss, Metallica, etc. Bands that are often heavy and fast, but use a different tonal/harmonic palette than regular Metal.

I like most of these bands too, but the list still don't explains why you would prefer Octavarium to Awake.