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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:06
Originally posted by Glueman Glueman wrote:

You pity me? What on earth for? I'm not going to get get into an argument over this.  I won't criticise other people on their taste in music - I wouldn't be so arrogant. Is it the fact that I dislike "black" music? Why shouldn't I dislike it? Do I have to keep quiet about what I dislike because someone might be offended?

because you are making a gross genalisation thats why!

I do not like any black music is a ridiculous statement...


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Points: 21133 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:13
"black music" is a really general term ... could mean anything from Soul, Funk, Blues and Gospel to Rap and Hip-Hop.

BTW: Check out David Holmes - "Presents the Free Association". In his own words (from the song "Free Ass O-C-8"):

"One in Ten will tend to See - A to B as A to C - One in Ten at Ten to Eight - Will tend to free associate."


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:13
Of course it's not a generalisation. If I ever hear something that I like - then it would become so! Until then it is gramatically correct to say I hate it all! And I DID make it clear that I was talking about popoluarist genres - not about blues et al.
For Cliff's sake - this topic is NOT about policing Glueman's taste in music - wasn't it about "crappy prog". If you want to start a Glueman-knocking strand - please start a new thread.
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If you can't appreciate the groove of The Meters, the sublime rhyming skills of Jean Grae, the voice of Al Green, the songcraft of Bill Withers, the inventiveness of 70's era Stevie Wonder, the stomp of early Isley Brothers, the spy-beats of The Herbaliser, the sheer exuberance of James Brown (and his killer backing band), the effortless swing of A Tribe Called Quest, the off-kilter stagger of Desmond Dekker or at least one of the many facets of Prince just because they are "black", you are severely limiting your musical horizons.

(and the "all Prog is feckin' fanTAStic" is making a whole lot more sense now...)

I just think "black" is very sloppy shorthand for Rap, R&B, Soul, Funk, Jazz and Blues - that's a pretty wide swathe of music to be cutting from your life, especially if you atribute it to one ethnicity. Worse still if, as I assume is the case - you include all dance music genres including stuff that is often more progressive than any Prog band; Squarepusher, DJ Shadow, Depth Charge, FSOL/Anonymous Androgynous...etc.

Damn, and I thought I was limited for not being able to take House, Country and Rock'nRoll. I stand corrected.

So, what about "yellow" music? Any opinion on bhangra and Bollywood?

Or how about "brown" music like Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan or Natacha Atlas?

Feh.


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Oh God, this is getting locked.

Isn't the mere concept of Rock black-influenced?
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Crap music - it's difficult question, leave alone the fact it's ultimately subjective.
 
Running the risk to be in minority here, have to say that latest works of such highly estimed masters of the genre as Arena, Spock's Beard, James LaBrie, and those two guys - wozit name - from Office of Strategic Influences, - all their latest albums would quite fit into this description IMO. And again it's only crap comparatively to their previous works, so maybe it's not total crap, but just sort of.
 
There are of course some newbies to the genres who came up with crap, but it would be grossly unfair to call their names here, as they easily might turn genious with their second album or so (in the same way as it happened with Genesis guys).
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:

If you can't appreciate the groove of The Meters, the sublime rhyming skills of Jean Grae, the voice of Al Green, the songcraft of Bill Withers, the inventiveness of 70's era Stevie Wonder, the stomp of early Isley Brothers, the spy-beats of The Herbaliser, the sheer exuberance of James Brown (and his killer backing band), the effortless swing of A Tribe Called Quest, the off-kilter stagger of Desmond Dekker or at least one of the many facets of Prince just because they are "black", you are severely limiting your musical horizons.

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Of the above, i only like a littlr James Brown, but I don't feel it limits me.
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Since my childhood "black" music always assosiated with Jazz for me - so I don't know...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:38

Just substitute the name - "dance" for "black" if that label offends and as you surmised. yes I hate it - but what do you propose - enforcing people to listen to music that they,to date, had always disliked? Until they, possibly, heard something to change their opinion.  You admit to not liking some genres - why can't I? I don't automatically hate something because it falls under a particular label  - I listen and then decide. One thing you could not call me is limited in my taste. I listen to many, many types of music from many countries. How can my opinion be other than how it is if I hate what I have heard to date? And I surely made it ABUNDANTLY clear that it is not a racist thing - funny how the black friends I have who know of my musical tastes are not offended!

 

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:39
Please let us all get back to the subject - it's all very boring!
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This "black-influenced" rubbish is getting to be a little upsetting. Without black influence there would be no rock music, and no prog. There would be no jazz or blues. I think we owe a lot to black influence. And to say the pop garbage out there today is solely derivitive of black music, and not any white music is stupid. Where would the nu-metal bands be without the influence of white metal bands and black rap groups?

In response to the topic, I agree with what was said before. It's all a matter of taste.
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spiral archictect is the worse prog band I have ever heard
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 18:44
Originally posted by YYZed YYZed wrote:

This "black-influenced" rubbish is getting to be a little upsetting. Without black influence there would be no rock music, and no prog. There would be no jazz or blues. I think we owe a lot to black influence. And to say the pop garbage out there today is solely derivitive of black music, and not any white music is stupid. Where would the nu-metal bands be without the influence of white metal bands and black rap groups?

In response to the topic, I agree with what was said before. It's all a matter of taste.


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Points: 1043 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 18:55
I hate Hip hop, Rap and R&B. I also hate most pop music made in dutch language though there are a few exceptions. All prog bands i've heard  shine in comparision to these genres. From the prog bands i heard i don't like Nightwish very much (though still much better than the afore mentioned crap).
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 19:15
I thought this was a "prog" thread. Take it to another thread, guys.
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Points: 1485 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 19:48
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

I happen to love all prog, at least all subgenres.... the only bands that didn't grab me at all are AOR-ish bands like Kansas, Styx, and Asia, and aside from that, Symphony X

    
Kansas shouldn't be compared to bands like Styx and Asia. If you've heard their early output you can't argue much that it's not full blown American Prog and if anything Classic Rock, not AOR.
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Points: 28427 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 19:49
Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

I happen to love all prog, at least all subgenres.... the only bands that didn't grab me at all are AOR-ish bands like Kansas, Styx, and Asia, and aside from that, Symphony X

    
Kansas shouldn't be compared to bands like Styx and Asia. If you've heard their early output you can't argue much that it's not full blown American Prog and if anything Classic Rock, not AOR.


Well, I have Leftoverture and it's mediocre at best IMO... it just does nothing for meOuch
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Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:


Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

I happen to love all prog, at least all subgenres.... the only bands that didn't grab me at all are AOR-ish bands like Kansas, Styx, and Asia, and aside from that, Symphony X

    
Kansas shouldn't be compared to bands like Styx and Asia. If you've heard their early output you can't argue much that it's not full blown American Prog and if anything Classic Rock, not AOR.
Well, I have Leftoverture and it's mediocre at best IMO... it just does nothing for me

    
Not saying you have to like them of course. Just saying they are full blown prog.
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Points: 508 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 20:01
I find Pink Floyd very boring, but i'm far from considering it crap, i respect them too much to say that, i think me not liking it is a question of tastes and that's all. What i really don't like at all, and not just because i consider it boring, but also because i consider it bad is Marillion, i know that a lot of people won't agree, but i think their music is really poor.
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Points: 28427 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 20:07
Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:


Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

I happen to love all prog, at least all subgenres.... the only bands that didn't grab me at all are AOR-ish bands like Kansas, Styx, and Asia, and aside from that, Symphony X

    
Kansas shouldn't be compared to bands like Styx and Asia. If you've heard their early output you can't argue much that it's not full blown American Prog and if anything Classic Rock, not AOR.
Well, I have Leftoverture and it's mediocre at best IMO... it just does nothing for me

    
Not saying you have to like them of course. Just saying they are full blown prog.


I'm not saying they aren't(much proggier than Asia or Styx) It just has a slightly more AOR-ish sound than most other symphonic bands.
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