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 Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:38 |
Just substitute the name - "dance" for "black" if that label offends and as you surmised. yes I hate it - but what do you propose - enforcing people to listen to music that they,to date, had always disliked? Until they, possibly, heard something to change their opinion. You admit to not liking some genres - why can't I? I don't automatically hate something because it falls under a particular label - I listen and then decide. One thing you could not call me is limited in my taste. I listen to many, many types of music from many countries. How can my opinion be other than how it is if I hate what I have heard to date? And I surely made it ABUNDANTLY clear that it is not a racist thing - funny how the black friends I have who know of my musical tastes are not offended!
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:35 |
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Since my childhood "black" music always assosiated with Jazz for me - so I don't know...
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:30 |
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If you can't appreciate the groove of The Meters, the sublime rhyming skills of Jean Grae, the voice of Al Green, the songcraft of Bill Withers, the inventiveness of 70's era Stevie Wonder, the stomp of early Isley Brothers, the spy-beats of The Herbaliser, the sheer exuberance of James Brown (and his killer backing band), the effortless swing of A Tribe Called Quest, the off-kilter stagger of Desmond Dekker or at least one of the many facets of Prince just because they are "black", you are severely limiting your musical horizons.
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Of the above, i only like a littlr James Brown, but I don't feel it limits me.
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:30 |
Crap music - it's difficult question, leave alone the fact it's ultimately subjective.
Running the risk to be in minority here, have to say that latest works of such highly estimed masters of the genre as Arena, Spock's Beard, James LaBrie, and those two guys - wozit name - from Office of Strategic Influences, - all their latest albums would quite fit into this description IMO. And again it's only crap comparatively to their previous works, so maybe it's not total crap, but just sort of.
There are of course some newbies to the genres who came up with crap, but it would be grossly unfair to call their names here, as they easily might turn genious with their second album or so (in the same way as it happened with Genesis guys).
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:28 |
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Oh God, this is getting locked.
Isn't the mere concept of Rock black-influenced?
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:25 |
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If you can't appreciate the groove of The Meters, the sublime rhyming
skills of Jean Grae, the voice of Al Green, the songcraft of Bill
Withers, the inventiveness of 70's era Stevie Wonder, the stomp of
early Isley Brothers, the spy-beats of The Herbaliser, the sheer
exuberance of James Brown (and his killer backing band), the
effortless swing of A Tribe Called Quest, the off-kilter stagger of
Desmond Dekker or at least one of the many facets of Prince just
because they are "black", you are severely limiting your musical
horizons.
(and the "all Prog is feckin' fanTAStic" is making a whole lot more sense now...)
I just think "black" is very sloppy shorthand for Rap, R&B,
Soul, Funk, Jazz and Blues - that's a pretty wide swathe of music to be
cutting from your life, especially if you atribute it to one ethnicity.
Worse still if, as I assume is the case - you include all dance music
genres including stuff that is often more progressive than any Prog
band; Squarepusher, DJ Shadow, Depth Charge, FSOL/Anonymous
Androgynous...etc.
Damn, and I thought I was limited for not being able to take House, Country and Rock'nRoll. I stand corrected.
So, what about "yellow" music? Any opinion on bhangra and Bollywood?
Or how about "brown" music like Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan or Natacha Atlas?
Feh.
Edited by Teaflax - May 28 2006 at 17:26
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:13 |
Of course it's not a generalisation. If I ever hear something that I like - then it would become so! Until then it is gramatically correct to say I hate it all! And I DID make it clear that I was talking about popoluarist genres - not about blues et al.
For Cliff's sake - this topic is NOT about policing Glueman's taste in music - wasn't it about "crappy prog". If you want to start a Glueman-knocking strand - please start a new thread.
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:13 |
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"black music" is a really general term ... could mean anything from Soul, Funk, Blues and Gospel to Rap and Hip-Hop.
BTW: Check out David Holmes - "Presents the Free Association". In his own words (from the song "Free Ass O-C-8"):
"One in Ten will tend to See - A to B as A to C - One in Ten at Ten to Eight - Will tend to free associate."
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - May 28 2006 at 17:15
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:06 |
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You pity me? What on earth for? I'm not going to get get into an argument over this. I won't criticise other people on their taste in music - I wouldn't be so arrogant. Is it the fact that I dislike "black" music? Why shouldn't I dislike it? Do I have to keep quiet about what I dislike because someone might be offended? |
because you are making a gross genalisation thats why! I do not like any black music is a ridiculous statement...
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:04 |
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I believe Sturgeon's Law applies to Prog just as well as any other art genre: 90% of everything is crud.
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Sure, but then again most people only know a small part of all the albums that exist. Think about it: 10% of all the albums in the archives would be more than 1,000 albums. And I'm pretty sure that there are still many albums missing in the db.
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 16:57 |
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I can honestly say that I also don't like the majority of what might be called "black" music. Just don't like it.
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 16:56 |
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You pity me? What on earth for? I'm not going to get get into an argument over this. I won't criticise other people on their taste in music - I wouldn't be so arrogant. Is it the fact that I dislike "black" music? Why shouldn't I dislike it? Do I have to keep quiet about what I dislike because someone might be offended?
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 16:53 |
Teaflax wrote:
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the black-influenced rubbish |
You know, that looks more than a little racist.
Just in case you didn't mean it to - and I certainly hope you didn't - I thought you'd like to know what it looks like.
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I dont see it that way, he's just pointing out that a) a lot of mainstream music has at least a small touch of "urban" style to it, usually a lot more than just a touch and b) a lot of proggers find it absolutely dire.
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 16:52 |
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It shouldn't look racist unless one is hyper sensitive to the subject. I'm not in the remotest bit racist - the fact remains that I hate all black music - that's not a racist thing at all, it's not a concious thing - simply hate it all - hip-hop, soul, rap, house, reggae - you name it - it's all utterly dire. Just one of those things I'm afraid. If anyone thinks that is a prejudice - they are completely bonkers! |
If that's your considered reponse then I pity you. However lets not let this thread dissolve into ithe mire I predicted at its outset...
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That should have read "overt" not "over.
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 16:51 |
The one exception is Jimi - he sits on top of the tree - and yes you can't deny his blues background. I'm not talking about derivative music but the over chart-based drivel.
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 16:51 |
It's just a poorly worded way of saying rap muzak. I catually liked 80s old school rap, but that was a time when rap either had a politcal agenda or was all about partying on the beach. Rap now is frivilous nonsense with repetitive themes that don't mean sh*t. 
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 16:49 |
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It shouldn't look racist unless one is hyper sensitive to the subject. I'm not in the remotest bit racist - the fact remains that I hate all black music - that's not a racist thing at all, it's not a concious thing - simply hate it all - hip-hop, soul, rap, house, reggae - you name it - it's all utterly dire. Just one of those things I'm afraid. If anyone thinks that is a prejudice - they are completely bonkers!
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 16:48 |
 Glueman.....I wonder how many Prog bands are influenced by Miles Davis or Jimi Hendrix?
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Posted: May 28 2006 at 16:41 |
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You know, that looks more than a little racist.
Just in case you didn't mean it to - and I certainly hope you didn't - I thought you'd like to know what it looks like.
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