RIO Drop-In Centre

Aaron wrote:   Is RIO always as dark as UZ?   Aaron

Question: shouldn't RIO and Avant-prog be seperated?

I havent heard much of the RIO/Avant category except for Alamaailman Vasarat, and Captain Beefheart. Is there a difference between RIO and Avant prog?

IMO buy Maltid and Klossa first, then Famili and Kaka

walrus333 wrote: I havent heard much of the RIO/Avant category except for Alamaailman Vasarat, and Captain Beefheart. Is there a difference between RIO and Avant prog?

RIO stands for Rock in Opposition and was a movement in the late 70s led by Henry Cow to show their opposition to the music industry.  Henry Cow started the festival which included the bands Henry Cow, Stormy Six, Samla Mammas Manna, Univers Zero, and
Etron Fou Leloublan.  Art Zoyd and Art Bears which was an offshoot of Henry Cow, would later join the movement.  The original festival featured bands with different styles and at the time at least, RIO referred to the movement rather than a specific style of music.  Now RIO has become synonymous with avant-prog which is why the two are smushed together here at the archives, but a true RIO purist will tell you that RIO music was a movement at a particular point in time that cannot be resurrected by other groups.  Newer avant prog groups such as the 5UU's, Miriodor, Thinking Plague and Guapo can be considered "RIO influenced" but not truly RIO themselves.  Avant-prog refers to music that came after the RIO movement that took what some avant garde bands did and ran with it.  Avant-prog although while being effectively synonymous with RIO to most people, is a much broader genre and includes all avant-garde rock.

aramg wrote: Does Zappa fall under RIO or Avant-Prog? What about Captain Beefheart?

    
I think both Zappa and Beefheart have actually each created a genre unto themselves...in the same way that one can speak of "Felliniesque" aspects of a movie, photo, or anything (the word is actually in the dictionary), one can easily speak of Zappaesque aspects in someone's music...Beefheart's music is also clearly a musical universe unto itself, which had a strong influence on many avant-punk bands, etc. I think it would be wrong to label either RIO, although both waged constant war on the industry. Most or all of the RIO musicians (who came from the aforementioned movement) were influenced at an early point by Zappa & the Mothers, and many by Beefheart...this influence was also felt by most early prog bands, from the Beatles to Yes, etc.

Alucard wrote: Dear Dr. TP, every time I put a Henry Cow CD on, my girlfriend throws sharp objects at me.I am so desperate. Could you please tell me  what to do? yours truly Alucard   PS: The Canterbury team is  adding some lesser known  bands. Do you know the French Band 'Anaïd', and when yes would you file them under Canterbury or RIO?

Geck0 wrote: Guys, you mean Taal are great. I hear they're in the studio, so I hope to expect an album soon, here's hoping! I love Alamaailman Vasarat, what a fantastic band!  I cannot wait to hear Hoyry-kone.

progreviews wrote: Aaron wrote: Aaron wrote: Is RIO always as dark as UZ? Aaron I don't know Aaron, that's a good question.  Maybe someone here can enlighten us, so we don't have to find out for ourselves. Aaron Ha. The short answer is no. The slightly less short answer is: go check out bands like Samla Mammas Manna, just to name one. No one would ever call them "dark".

Trouserpress wrote: ivansfr0st wrote: Question: shouldn't RIO and Avant-prog be seperated?    -- Ivan   In an ideal world, yes. The way the archives has arranged the two has caused a lot of confusion for some people. Hence "Is Zappa RIO?" queries. The trouble arises partially out of the "When do we say enough?" issue and also the difficult cases such as Thinking Plague and 5uu's who are clearly heavily grounded in RIO sounds but are not part of the actual RIO scene. So basically, it's better to live with something slightly inadequate than end up making it worse by trying to make it better. IMO.