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erik neuteboom 
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 04:32 |
I notice that the emphasis is on the positive side, almost everybody mentions Hackett, Gilmour, Wakeman and Neil Peart, I had expected more votes for Phil Collins because he (in my opinion) ruined the symphonic rock direction from Genesis. But in fact I am glad with all those positive reactions because it is more constructive and interesting to read  , thanks!
By the way, I have always been a Steve Hackett fan, indeed he changed a lot: his Robert Fripp inspired sound added more power to Genesis, Anthony Phillips was more a folky-oriented player. Hackett has also a varied style, just watch the early Genesis footage on the bootlegs, incredible how inventive and creative!
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prog4evr
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 03:39 |
 micky wrote:
Steve Hackett.... by a mile people
David Gilmour... come on....
with a Hackett you saw a quatum leap in the quality of Genesis... you didn't get that with Gilmour. Some might argue it was a short term regression.
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I with you, Micky. The difference between 'Trespass' and 'Nursery Cryme' is like night and day, and it was because of Hackett (and, maybe to some extent, Collins on drums). By the time we get to 'Selling England by the Pound,' a different Hackett-esque signature was present on the band. Indeed, when Peter Gabriel left, Hackett took the opportunity to record his first solo album and (as stated in the pictorial biography, "I Know What I Like") this kept Genesis from disbanding altogether. Only after Hackett left did the band take a marked turn in the type of music they had engineered during the Hackett years.
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 02:56 |
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David Gilmour.
He pretty much turned the band from a lighthearted 'experiment' to a very serious study of society and politics.
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Well, that was Waters actually... Gilmour is notoriously not very good at writing lyrics, so that he had to ask his wife's help on "The Division Bell". On the other hand, I agree on his enormous musical influence.
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Posted: May 20 2006 at 00:19 |
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Clearly... Peart
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"The options are ever fewer on the ground these days" Fish
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 22:32 |
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David Gilmour ...followed by Wakeman
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micky
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 19:15 |
DeepPhreeze wrote:
David Gilmour.
He pretty much turned the band from a lighthearted 'experiment' to a very serious study of society and politics.
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huh...... care to elaborate on that?
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DeepPhreeze
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 19:09 |
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David Gilmour.
He pretty much turned the band from a lighthearted 'experiment' to a very serious study of society and politics.
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 18:42 |
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Steve Hackett.... by a mile people
David Gilmour... come on....
with a Hackett you saw a quatum leap in the quality of Genesis... you
didn't get that with Gilmour. Some might argue it was a short
term regression.
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kebjourman
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 16:15 |
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Gilmour!
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 15:32 |
Often sublimated frustrations deliver the best musical moments (Peter Gabriel, Roger Waters, Fish, Lifeson?) ...  ...
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Empathy
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 15:10 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
In recent interviews Alex Lifeson admitted that he never liked synthesizers .. |
I always suspected as much. I always thought I was imagining it, but it
seemed to me that Lifeson's solos on Signals sounded almost
angry! 
Edited by Empathy - May 19 2006 at 15:11
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 15:03 |
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In my opinion Geddy Lee was the prime mover to change things within Rush because he loved the symphonic rock bands like mid-Genesis and wanted to experiment with more acoustic guitars, keyboards and shifting moods. In recent interviews Alex Lifeson admitted that he never liked synthesizers ..
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Empathy
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 14:58 |
cmidkiff wrote:
How do you know that Neil Peart made the big change in
sound? What if Geddy and Alex decided to change direction and they
needed a new drummer at the same time? Of coarse there is the lyric
thing, but that is not necessarily directly related to a change of
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A valid point. I've never read/seen any interviews with Lee or Lifeson in which they address that topic. Has anyone else?
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cmidkiff
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 14:49 |
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How do you know that Neil Peart made the big change in sound? What if Geddy and Alex decided to change direction and they needed a new drummer at the same time? Of coarse there is the lyric thing, but that is not necessarily directly related to a change of sound.
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 11:13 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
It seems to become a battle between Wakeman and Gilmour but Hogarth does well too, to my surprise. But on the other hand, he does not well for me because I left Marillion when he joined my favorite neo-progrock band  ..! |
We are not talking about people who had a GOOD impact on the music of these groups. The thread is about the BIGGER impact (not necessarily good). That's the reason I voted for Hogarth, he made a BIG change in the band, despite I like much more Fish-era Marillion.
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 11:04 |
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I regret that I have forgotten to include Neil Peart but I don't think that he would have gained more votesd than Rick Wakeman or David Gilmour, also because David Gilmour is very popular on this site!
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Empathy
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 10:51 |
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^ I agree.
I was going to say Gilmour, but when I thought about it... his
influence was more of a gradual thing. He eventually became a very key
element in the Floyd sound, but the impact doesn't sound as profound to
me as the difference that was immediately noticable with The Yes Album.
That said... Neil Peart would totally win this poll if he were included.
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Phil
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 10:19 |
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I think Steve Howe, he had an immediate impact with The Yes Album.
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Marc Baum
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 08:03 |
Definitely Dave Gimour. If Syd wouldn't became schizophrenic and have stayed in the band, there would be possibly not such a radical change from psychedelic towards mainstream-compatible prog happened. Rick Wakeman was also highly influential to Yes with his classical-approach, but I feel he hasn't changed the sound as much as David Gilmour has done to PF, since the typical YES-style was from the beginning on there, only through Wakeman and Howe they became more extensive and progressive in their songwriting skills.
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: May 19 2006 at 06:22 |
Grazie, signore  !
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