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rockandrail ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 22 2005 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 310 |
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"Le Monde" is the most serious and respectable French newspaper, in the same vein as the London Times or the Washington Post. Therefore I do believe this the real letter.
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Pierre R, the man who lost his signature
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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^ Thanks for posting the letter, rockandrail.
I'll have to read it when I get home from work. I had no idea it had been published. |
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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This part caught my eye:
"How much longer can the world tolerate this situation? Where will this trend lead the world to? How long must the people of the world pay for the incorrect decisions of some rulers? How much longer will the specter of insecurity – raised from the stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction – hunt the people of the world? How much longer will the blood of the innocent men, women and children be spilled on the streets, and people's houses destroyed over their heads? Are you pleased with the current condition of the world? Do you think present policies can continue? If billions of dollars spent on security, military campaigns and troop movement were instead spent on investment and assistance for poor countries, promotion of health, combating different diseases, education and improvement of mental and physical fitness, assistance to the victims of natural disasters, creation of employment opportunities and production, development projects and poverty alleviation, establishment of peace, mediation between disputing states and distinguishing the flames of racial, ethnic and other conflicts were would the world be today? Would not your government, and people be justifiably proud? Would not your administration's political and economic standing have been stronger? And I am most sorry to say, would there have been an ever increasing global hatred of the American governments?" Very well said. But I do not see a mention of us aethiests anywhere... monotheism yes, but not aetheism, oh well. This letter read as very sincere and educated. It's strange how this letter has only reached Le Monde, don't people care? Edited by Geck0 - May 12 2006 at 15:16 |
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crimson thing ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 28 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 848 |
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There was an edited version of the letter in the Grauniad today (thurs), & apparently the whole thing is on their website (guardian.co.uk/iran , I think).
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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Grauniad? I presume you mean Guardian?
I've always quite liked that paper. |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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I cant imagine it being published in the US, although I may be wrong. The Guardian in the UK is one of the best newspapers I've ever read, but it's readership is significantly less than the Times or the Telegraph which are the dominant broadsheets in the UK. Both are quite right wing.
Any readers of these papers here? Was the letter published in either of them? |
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Bob Greece ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1823 |
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Hardly the words of a fundamentalistic dictator hell bent on world destruction are they?
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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He was 'alleged' to have called for Israel to be 'wiped off the map' though.
I dont know if this was ever confirmed. As far as I'm concerned he is no more untrustowrthy as Bush & Blair. |
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crimson thing ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 28 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 848 |
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Gecko - the Guardian has long been known as the Grauniad because of its one-time notoriety for printing errors.
![]() Which makes me wonder whether anyone actually has registered www.grauniad.co.uk (or .com) - would be a great address for a spoof paper, but I wouldn't be surprised if the real Guardian has registered it merely for protection.
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Bob Greece ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1823 |
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Considering your left-wing views, I'm not at all surprised!
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crimson thing ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 28 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 848 |
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Incidentally, I'm not sure why anyone seriously expected the letter in question to achieve anything. I can't think of any historical precedent for a letter from one sadly deluded religious nutter to another sadly deluded religious nutter having any practical effect.
Unless we, the citizens of the countries of the world, ensure that our leaders rely exclusively on facts, and not on hoary centuries-old superstitions, we can't expect any of them to take rational decisions.
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NetsNJFan ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3047 |
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It wasn't alleged.
He said it, right in front of a banner that said "A World Without Zionism" - he's a typical Arab leader(King Abdullah excluded, hes a great guy) who are able to use Israel/USA/UK to turn attention away from their own failings.
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Ok. I didn't actually see that. He certainly has failings, I'll not deny it, but I still regard him as no more of a threat than our own leaders. |
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VanderGraafKommandöh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
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The few times I've read The Guardian, I must say, it's the best paper. I'm not one for right wing views, so The Telegraph and The Times would not suit my purpose.
I've yet to read The Guardian in its smaller, non-broadsheet form, do they still keep their integrity, as ever? Thank you also for the note about why it's called the Grauniad. Our local Newspaper is notorious for spelling and grammar mistakes, but I guess that is expected. |
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crimson thing ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 28 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 848 |
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Not sure, Gecko, how you define integrity in this instance.
Being an unreconstructed lefty, (I can hear the surprised gasps already
![]() However, their choice of paper size (in what I gather is now called "dead tree format" ) is irritating. Like the infamous description of the late actor with the unfortunate surname "Cunis", it is neither one thing nor the other.
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DrGoon ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 09 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 160 |
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If only we could all be measured against such low standards. ![]() |
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nursethisviper ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: April 15 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 21 |
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I'm rooting for Iran in this one.
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NetsNJFan ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3047 |
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yea you and the neo-nazis.
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Discussions between permenant Security Council members, and Germany were held in London yesterday. Our media accidentally forgot to report it, I guess. Thankfully the stability of the ME, global security and the possibility of economic collapse is not really that important..
This article hi-lights the fact that there are big differences in opinion between the Moscow and Washington in the best way forward. Iran is insisting on it's right to a nuclear power program. The Russian idea of allowing the low level Uranium enrichment to take place in Russia, is still on the table, but may be rejected by Iran. London talks Edited by Blacksword - May 25 2006 at 08:12 |
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Logos ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: March 08 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 2383 |
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^ I wish people would at least stick to their opinions, even if they don't please other members. If everyone already knows what you think of something what's the point in hiding it anymore.
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