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yargh
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Topic: Why are reviews weighted now Posted: April 24 2006 at 17:23 |
There pretty much is no defensible reason for this. Not writing reviews allows a person the time to express an opinion about a wider range of albums. I guess we can just chalk this up as yet another pompous, asinine administrative decision by the folks running this place (into the ground).
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 17:32 |
if you think so ...
BTW: You can come to my website, no review needed, no weighting! But I think it's just a different approach, not necessarily a better one.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 17:35 |
yargh wrote:
There pretty much is no defensible reason for this. Not writing reviews allows a person the time to express an opinion about a wider range of albums. I guess we can just chalk this up as yet another pompous, asinine administrative decision by the folks running this place (into the ground).
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You are free to leave of course.
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yargh
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 17:52 |
"You are free to leave of course."
Instead of discouraging people, you might want to actually defend this asnine decision. You can't? Didn't think so.
The people who run this place sure never pass up a chance to wallow in elitist, self-congratualory filth. As I previously stated: rating albums and not reviewing them allows a person to review more albums early on, and establishes an individual baseline for the (incredibly limited) 5-star system that this place adheres to (changes that would actually be a benefit to the site appear to not to register. Livin' must remain easy, I guess). Furthermore, the marginal utility of a written review diminishes after a certain amount of them are posted There probably doesn't need to be more than 10 well-thought reviews of any album; 20 at the absolute most. Nobody except the writer is going to read reviews farther down than this. But should a person's opinion of an album be diminished because he happened to join the party late?
Then, there's people like myself who write reviews for other sites and therefore can't post them here. The premise of some people's opinions mattering more than others -- based on the criteria being used here -- is simply not defensible, because there is no correlation between willingness to write a review on this site and the amount of knowledge a person has of the music OR the number of reviews the person may have written overall, but not for this site.
The policy also discriminates against non-English speakers and -- trust me -- NOBODY wants a policy that encourages more of these horribly-written disgraces to the language that seem to be regularly turned out by our non-English speaking friends, in an attempt for their ratings to count.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 18:13 |
"Instead of discouraging people, you might want to actually defend this asnine decision"
Why should we? It has all been said and talked about a thousand times. In the other thread you yourself described how easily the ratings can be manipulated by ratings without reviews.
I rest my case.
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yargh
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 18:16 |
"Why should we? It has all been said and talked about a thousand times. In the other thread you yourself described how easily the ratings can be manipulated by ratings without reviews.
I rest my case."
Typical. Like a frightened mouse, you don't even make a single argument in defense of the idiocy. IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NONE.
Powned!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 18:17 |
lol ... see my post count? Among these thousands of posts there most be 100 that deal with ratings without reviews.
I'm too lazy to dig them up!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 18:19 |
And I just can't be bothered.......period!
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yargh
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 18:24 |
"And I just can't be bothered.......period."
Yes; I know -- you're too arrogant and stupid. Then please direct me to the threads where this was discussed.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 18:26 |
why, just search for "rating".
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 18:28 |
yargh wrote:
"And I just can't be bothered.......period."
Yes; I know -- you're too arrogant and stupid. Then please direct me to the threads where this was discussed. |
You are very perseptive...you charmer. I bet your a hit with the girls! 
Edited by Snow Dog - April 24 2006 at 18:33
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horza
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 18:33 |
Snow Dog wrote:
yargh wrote:
"And I just can't be bothered.......period."
Yes; I know -- you're too arrogant and stupid. Then please direct me to the threads where this was discussed. |
No...do a search thicko. |
This guy is beginning to annoy me
Edited by horza - April 24 2006 at 18:34
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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yargh
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 18:38 |
"This guy is beginning to annoy me"
Beginning? I thought were already annoyed by me months ago!
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Easy Livin
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Posted: April 25 2006 at 03:49 |
All. The sniping isn't really helping  , Yargh is asking a reasonable question, although phrases like "The people who run this place sure never pass up a chance to wallow in elitist, self-congratualory filth" do little to further his cause or invite a rational response.
Yargh. There was a strong push to remove all ratings without reviews from the site. Many people, indeed the majority, felt that they corrupted the ratings as those who submitted them did not have to back them up with narrative.
The owners of the site (you know, the ones who "wallow in elitist, self-congratualory filth") were against the removal of ratings without reviews, essentially for the reasons you have given. It was therefore agreed to reward those who go to the trouble of writing reviews by giving their submissions extra weight.
Your own reasons for not submitting reviews are dubious. You are clearly literate (even if you do feel you cannot fully express yourself without swearing  ). Surely the reviews you write for other sites are your own, and you can psot them elsewhere if you wish. Failing that, you can always write different reviews for different sites, the choice is yours.
Your opinion on what I've said may of course be different, but please try to respond without resorting to insulting anyone.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 25 2006 at 04:06 |
Easy Livin wrote:
All. The sniping isn't really helping , Yargh is asking a reasonable question, although phrases like "The people who run this place sure never pass up a chance to wallow in elitist, self-congratualory filth" do little to further his cause or invite a rational response.
Yargh. There was a strong push to remove all ratings without reviews from the site. Many people, indeed the majority, felt that they corrupted the ratings as those who submitted them did not have to back them up with narrative.
The owners of the site (you know, the ones who "wallow in elitist, self-congratualory filth") were against the removal of ratings without reviews, essentially for the reasons you have given. It was therefore agreed to reward those who go to the trouble of writing reviews by giving their submissions extra weight.
Your own reasons for not submitting reviews are dubious. You are clearly literate (even if you do feel you cannot fully express yourself without swearing  ). Surely the reviews you write for other sites are your own, and you can psot them elsewhere if you wish. Failing that, you can always write different reviews for different sites, the choice is yours.
Your opinion on what I've said may of course be different, but please try to respond without resorting to insulting anyone. |
Due to the tone of his initial post EL, he doesn't deserve a reasoned argument. He is clearly abusive and I don't really care what he thinks.
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goose
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Posted: April 25 2006 at 08:49 |
yargh wrote:
Instead of discouraging people |
The people who run this place sure never pass up a
chance to wallow in elitist, self-congratualory filth. |
Keep up
with the encouragement!
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yargh
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Posted: April 25 2006 at 08:51 |
"Your own reasons for not submitting reviews are dubious. You are clearly literate (even if you do feel you cannot fully express yourself without swearing  ). Surely the reviews you write for other sites are your own, and you can psot them elsewhere if you wish. Failing that, you can always write different reviews for different sites, the choice is yours."
Take it up with my agent. The copyrights in my reviews do not belong to me, and they cannot be posted here. As for "backing up" ratings without reviews, it's unnecessary BS. A star rating of an album is a totally subjective call and the reasons for it are irrelevant. Reviews and ratings are mutually exclusive entities.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 25 2006 at 10:07 |
A rating that comes with an elaborate review is less likely abuse than one without a review.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: April 26 2006 at 03:18 |
yargh wrote:
Take it up with my agent. The copyrights in my reviews do not belong to me, and they cannot be posted here. As for "backing up" ratings without reviews, it's unnecessary BS. A star rating of an album is a totally subjective call and the reasons for it are irrelevant. Reviews and ratings are mutually exclusive entities. |
So write some new reviews as Easy suggests instead of avoiding the questions and referring to your agent. If the copyrights in your reviews don't belong to you, you've got the wrong agent.
Ratings without reviews are worthless IMO, and just a way to manipulate the charts. The ratings on this site are not simple star ratings - there is a chart to explain what they mean, and they are very specific - not subjective at all.
This site is not simply about rating the music - there are other (lesser) sites for that; It's about discussing the music and presenting valuable opinions that can lead to a better understanding of Prog music as a whole.
If everyone understood Prog, then there wouldn't be so many conflicting discussions about its nature.
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: April 28 2006 at 03:05 |
Hear Hear 
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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