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    Posted: April 21 2006 at 19:46
I noticed King Crimson and Van der Graaf Generator and Gentle Giant in a new category "Hard Prog" I agree completely with the first two but I don't know about Gentle Giant.  It'll be interesting to see who else falls into Hard Prog.
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If hard means "complex" or "hard to get into" it makes sense with the three bands. Not a bad idea.
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I certainly hadn't thought Gentle Giant should be classified as symphonic prog -- chamber prog does seem more suitable... Calling them hard prog isn't great since the bands' beauty to my mind is how they mix styles... blah blah.  I think I like the term tempered prog.
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to me, hard prog is hard rock progressive, like rush's 2112, gentle giant's first one, nektar...
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Yep, a great compromise to all the debatesThumbs Up 
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And a big surprise too!
 
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Just another great progressive "reform" Wink this site has made during these past couple of days, making a great site perfect. Keep it up guys! Clap
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Hello Rust,

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With pleasure...!

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Originally posted by ProgLucky ProgLucky wrote:

Hello Rust,

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Cheers... ProgLucky

 
I will consider leaving the archives alltogether because of this move - at least as a collaborator.Confused
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Points: 28427 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 20:47
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by ProgLucky ProgLucky wrote:

Hello Rust,

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I will consider leaving the archives alltogether because of this move - at least as a collaborator.Confused


Relax Mike, don't take it so personallySmile Of course it was a rather unpredicted move, but it does solve the problem...
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I just could have saved myself a hundred posts of arguing and several hours of work if I had known that ProgLucky would do just like I initially suggested.
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Great minds think alike...LOL
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This change is a big surprise although I thought a lot of times of a "Hard Prog" subgenre, but when I thought it the bands that came to my mind inmediatly were Rush, Kansas, Uriah Heep, etc... Maybe (only maybe, Crimson have their own style) King Crimson could be in that section, but VDGG and Gentle Giant?... Both are, to my mind, symphonic prog.

Hard Prog it's a genre that, for me, should be a place for bands harder than the majority but obviously softer than prog-metal. Like I said before, bands like Rush are the perfect example of this hipothetic kind of prog.
 
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I think its a good changeYing Yang Ermm
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I've always considered VdGG "dark prog".  But if we set that up as a subgenre, Van Der Graff and Hammill would likely have it all to themselves. Confused
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I think this extra catagory is a great move forward. When you don't pay too much attention to the semantics of the word "hard" and assume it stands for "hard" as in "hardliner", thus meaning something like rigorous, uncompromising, it's not a bad name for the music of these bands. Allthough I think the final answer to the whole classification "problem" can only come when you can classify the albums by genre (I saw in another thread M@X is working on that). Why can't a band be in more than one (sub)-genre? Once made a symphonic album (ITCOTKC), allways a symphonic band (KC)?? That's quite ridiculous.  It doesn't diminish the fact though that ITCOTKC is symphonic rock.
 
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If "hard prog" is intended as "difficult", I agree.

Here's a list of synonyms we could use:

ambitious, arduous, backbreaking, ball-buster, bothersome, burdensome, challenging, crucial, demanding, difficile, effortful, exacting, formidable, galling, Gargantuan, hard, hard-won, heavy, herculean, immense, intricate, irritating, labored, laborious, man-sized, no picnic, not easy, onerous, operose, painful, problem, problematic, prohibitive, rigid, severe, stiff, strenuous, titanic, toilsome, tough, troublesome, trying, unyielding, uphill, upstream, wearisome

I like "Onerous Prog" myself! Big smile

(Just goofing around - I like all 3 of these bands)
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Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

If "hard prog" is intended as "difficult", I agree.

Here's a list of synonyms we could use:

ambitious, arduous, backbreaking, ball-buster, bothersome, burdensome, challenging, crucial, demanding, difficile, effortful, exacting, formidable, galling, Gargantuan, hard, hard-won, heavy, herculean, immense, intricate, irritating, labored, laborious, man-sized, no picnic, not easy, onerous, operose, painful, problem, problematic, prohibitive, rigid, severe, stiff, strenuous, titanic, toilsome, tough, troublesome, trying, unyielding, uphill, upstream, wearisome

I like "Onerous Prog" myself! Big smile

(Just goofing around - I like all 3 of these bands)
 
That looks like one of the genre definitions which my website generates!LOL
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Points: 1148 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 21:13
I'm sorry that you feel irritated with this new move, Mike. Glad you thought of the idea first and I want to give you a Thumbs Up and a Clap for your good Lamp.
 
 
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Originally posted by Rust Rust wrote:

I'm sorry that you feel irritated with this new move, Mike. Glad you thought of the idea first and I want to give you a Thumbs Up and a Clap for your good Lamp.
 
 
 
Thanks!Embarrassed Actually I feel that it's a very logical move! I'm just irritated with how this move was carried out.
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